Bill revised his comments, Judy.
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Sent: January 17, 2006 15:24
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither
God nor Man
Thank you Dean,
It is really
So then, Judy, should Jesus' human nature actually
have been other than your 'reading' of Scripture?
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Judy
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Sent: January 17, 2006 16:06
Subject: Re:
The doctrine of Christ's personal preexistence as
the second person of the Trinity is taken for granted by most orthodox
Christians and has been since New Testament times. The effect of its denial is a
god who differers radically from the Biblical God.
"The way the pre-existence of Christ
You are the ONLY ONE I have ever met who believes that Adam and Eve were not flesh and
blood but "spirit beings" before the fall the only one.
cd: John I contend that AE were more than just flesh before the fall-I view them as being's of light.The same light that shown from
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Soo, Dean, you believe in a pre-existence after all, at least for Jesus Christ. What about the rest of us, do you think we were there too, looking on ,
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man
CD I wrote a statement of Mary/Christ seedbefore I read yours Bill.
Yes, Dean, I read it, andI am familiar with it; in fact I
It may be 'that no (wo)man is an island' yet, does
every 'island' produce its own theologian. The DM's (2) need be remindeded that
the Scriptures in the hands of some can be dangerous.
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of A.Word.A.Day
Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God holds others in contempt.
-Robert Green Ingersoll, lawyer and orator (1833-1899)cd: Jesus claimed to be
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Dean -- if I came into the house and told said, Dean !!! There's a thing outside.
cd: Dean would say "does it
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From: Lance Muir
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Sent: 1/18/2006 6:32:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The rationality of "God" -- nonsense
It may be 'that no (wo)man is an island' yet, does every 'island' produce its own theologian. The DM's (2) need be
Lance what is so hard about the plain facts
which are that
It is impossible to be "Holy, Pure and sinless"
and ATST "sinful and fallen in the first Adam".
Think about it - SERIOUSLY
.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:28:25 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So then, Judy, should
Oh Lance, the apple doesn't fall too far from
the tree does it. You are a true child of the Orthodoxy you serve.
This anxiety about some ppl not
being able to handle scripture is what led to the "dark ages"
when it was chained to the pulpit because of fear. Have faith in
God.
LOGICALLY, Judy, (ala David Miller) IT IS QUITE
IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO BE ONE BEING, THREE PERSONS. YET, THIS IS THE CHRISTIAN
DOCTRINE OF GOD. NOW, IT MAY BE THAT THIS IS NOT YOUR/DM'S DOCTRINE OF GOD. IFF
THAT WERE THE CASE THEN YOUR/HIS DOCTRINE OF GOD IS SIMPLY NOT CHRISTIAN.
Further,
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE SCRIPTURES, JUDY!! This ought
to be a matter of some concern for DM, whom I suspect knows this.
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Judy
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Sent: January 18, 2006 08:25
Judy, I along with DavidM haveused multiple
passages in balance and in context to prove to you the error of your theology.
What you do with that truth will demonstrate the spirit you are of. I will be
praying for your salvation, that you do not deny Jesus Christ come in the
flesh.
Bill
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:57:16 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The doctrine of Christ's personal preexistence as the second
person of the Trinity is taken for granted by most
orthodox Christians and has been since New Testament times. The effect
of its denial is a god
Your fears are wrong Lance and you need to
replace them with the faith of God.
There is no logic involved here. None at
all. It is simply trusting in God's Word as is.
Whenever the doctrines of men take the
ascendency there are always contradictions as you see
here.
You will know you are
I believe them rather than constantly wrest
them like some on this list do Lance.
You have a whole list of things that should be
of concern to DM and if he were not so grounded
in his faith the attitudes of you and JD toward him personally would
top the list
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:36:27
God is Spirit. Satan is a fallen angel. Everything about God is genuine. Nothing about Satan is genuine. The fantasy that he is the "god of this world" if just tht if one believes this biblical statement implies that Satan has the same powers for the darkside as God does for the light. What
I do not and have not ever deniedthat
Jesus came the first time in "pure and holy" flesh Bill
just as the scriptures day - which
factis something that you
refuse to accept or else fail to grasp
no matter how many times I type
it.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:00:38 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL
DM is, IMO, intentionally elusive. At times he
appears almost duplicitous, saying one thing to one person (you)then
appearing to contradict that thing through what he says to another (Bill
Taylor).
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Judy
Taylor
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Your doctrines, Judy, along with some of DM's ARE
the doctrines of (wo)men.
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Judy
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Sent: January 18, 2006 08:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TT's ??
Your fears
Well that is your own personal opinion
Lance. How is it you expect perfection from DavidM?
Why not give him some space? There is just once source of ALL
truth Lance and I expect
DavidM is still learning by going to that
source just like the rest of
us. Why do you want to lock
him in when
Oh! really Lance, then you have come up with a
new category? .. Nay, rather you are insulting us
both by alluding to the gnosticism taught by women that some of
the Epistles address. Shame
on you Lance - you really should learn to
employ 2 Cor 10:5 and read your Bible more and other
men's
DM knows that BT does, in reality, almost never
fail to grasp your meaning when you post, Judy. Sadly, you often believe him to
have 'missed it'. On the matter of 'who is Jesus' some would find you to have
gone further afield than the Mormons. DM, it only sometimes appears, knows the
DM is most definitely a 'locker inner' of the first
order. He does it with Gary, John, Bill et al. He probably did it with his
family. He probably does it with his 'flock'.
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Judy
Taylor
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Cc:
How ironic that you know everything that DM
knows Lance and yet so consistently malign him personally.
Maybe he knows a whole lot more than you think
he knows... and could it be possible that BT does not know
nearly as much as you give him credit
for. If you and BT grasp my meaning Lance
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:15:53 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is really sad that Bill says I can't be saved unless I accept his kind of orthodoxy.
No, Bill is using theBible to correct you, and
I'd say God is able tohandle DM quite
adequately Lance and that you have enough to keep you busy
with the present condition of your own
heart.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:18:26 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why Judy? I read (wo)men's theology (JT/DM)
regularly with utter
Why Judy? I read (wo)men's theology (JT/DM)
regularly with utter fascination! As I've said often the bigger concern is with
DM who is himself an overseer and, an SP. What accountability lies
therein!
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Judy
Taylor
To:
I can't relate to your observation at
all. I don't see it. In fact his actions belie devotion to
orthodoxy.
Which of the church fathers do you think would
give the Mormon boys on TT freedom to operate in the same town let alone on any
bandwidth they controlled? They would have been hunted
Not maybe, Judy! He does know much more than I. He
is much brighter than I also.
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Judy
Taylor
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Sent: January 18, 2006 09:31
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither
Jesus Himself and I agree with Him rather than with
"orthodoxy"... ie:
"While the Pharisees were gathered
together Jesus asked them, saying "What think
ye of Christ?
Whose son is he?" They
say unto him. The son of David. He saith unto them.
"How then doth David in spirit call him Lord
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It is really sad that
Bill says I can't be saved unless I accept his kind of orthodoxy.
No, Bill is using theBible to correct
you, and to exhort you to change your mind, Judy.
You don't have
understanding
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:35:17 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is really sad that Bill says I can't be saved unless I accept his kind of orthodoxy.
No, Bill is using theBible to correct you, and to exhort
I believe that Hedefeated sin in his person by the same powers available to me as I walk in the Spirit.
He was taught the ways of life (Acts 2:28). He was made like me in every respect. He experienced temptation and even death . that death which brings Him to an end as a result of
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:57:20 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is really sad
that Bill says I can't be saved unless I accept his kind of
orthodoxy.
No, Bill is using
theBible to correct you, and to exhort you to change your mind,
Judy.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:52:18 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
God is Spirit. Satan is a fallen angel.
Satan and angels are spirits also - see Heb
1:7
Everything about God is genuine. Nothing about Satan is
genuine.
Everything about Satan is genuine also only it is
I explained this the other day, Judy; in fact you
may return to my post on Acts 3.36 if you like. This is a statement -- and
strong affirmation on the part of David --in regards to Jesus' divine
nature. We have been discussing his human nature. Where you confuse the two, I
do not. Hence it
While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked
them,saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They
said to Him, "The Son of David."He said to them, "How then does
David in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,' saying:'The LORD said to my Lord,
"Sit at My right hand,
Thanks Bill. Good explanation.
jd
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While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They said to Him, "The Son of David."He said to
Any truth to this statement, Bill or et al:
YAHis The Father like HalleluYah, and Shua is Savior.
(Hence, Yahshua )
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While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,saying, "What do you think about
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Soo, Dean, you believe in a pre-existence after all,
In a message dated 1/18/2006 3:29:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Thanks for your input Dean;
I have no problem with Jesus having a human flesh
body... but I havea "huge" insurmountable problem
with the idea that Mary's child, the one called by
the
The question is still out there. What
person among us indwelt with the Holy Spirit could deny that Jesus Christ, the
Seed of David according to the flesh, was born of David's flesh
andblood?
Bill
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man
The question is still out there. What person among us indwelt with the Holy Spirit could deny that Jesus Christ, the Seed of David
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In a message dated 1/18/2006 3:29:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks for your input Dean;
I have no problem with Jesus having a
By the way, Judy, the reason the
Phariseescould not answer Jesus'question was because they were
denying his divinity: that he was God. My question for you is, What's keeping
you from answering it?
Bill
From:
Taylor
While the Pharisees
were gathered
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Certainly I think Jesus was born of God, Dean. And
I will be glad to address that aspect of his person. But before going there I
would like to clearly state that you seem to be making a different argument than
Judy's. Andif you are, thenmy question would not apply in the same
way to you as
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:35:58 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Certainly I think Jesus was born of God, Dean.
And I will be glad to address that aspect of his person. But before going
there I would like to clearly state that you seem to be making a different
argument than
I'm not here - I've been out for the
evening.
I don't agree with your reasoning Bill. Jesus has
already said why the Pharisees could not understand
or hear His Word. It is because they had a
different father than he did.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:11:02 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hebrews 2.11-18.
(11) For both he that sanctifieth and they who
are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them
brethren,
Dean, when I read this, I understand the writer to be saying that
Christ and us are all physical descendants of the same person, the same
I
know nothing about special kinds of flesh; I do know of two different kinds of
nature though, one fallen and the other
holy and pure. Ours is fallen. Jesus' was not. His was pure
and holy from birth. This and this alone
is the "great divide" Please do not put your words and concepts in
Dean writes:
cd: The word tempted also means to test or try/prove-when used by God it is to test-when used by Satan is it an attempt to lead into sin-Tempatation.Christ was tested-proved Himself face to face with Satan-then began His ministry.
I fail to see the difference between being tempted
I don't agree with your reasoning Bill. Jesus has
already said why the Pharisees could not understand or hear His Word. It is because they had a different father
than he did.
Oh, and why do you think that is? Do you think they were affirming his
deity, that he was God? "Therefore the Jews
I'm not here - I've been out for the
evening.
Are you sure you're not out to
lunch?
:) Bill
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Taylor
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:59
PM
Subject:
I corrected Judy's only
disagreement with my understanding of her position, Dean. So may I ask that you
to please answer my question? Bill
Certainly I think Jesus was born of God, Dean. And
I will be glad to address that aspect of his person. But before going there I
would like to clearly
And this is an excellent point. :
While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They said to Him, "The Son of David."He said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,' saying:'The LORD said to my
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