[TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-01-30 Thread Lance Muir
Judy preaches a 'Zirchon' (looks real but isn't) Jesus and, you are not offended. Others take exception to some of that which you say/do along with the manner of _expression_ and, we are described as 'not getting it'. You and yours appear comfortable in giving offence (other than that given

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
You major on the minors Bill because this is of paramount importance to your flesh and blood gospel However, yours is not the Kingdom He came to declare and fleshwill neverglory in God's presence. "For ye see your calling brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ

2006-01-30 Thread Lance Muir
You addressed two profoundly important matters. 1. 'Flesh and blood gospel'. 2. The 'Kingdom He came to declare.' Amen to the former and, we ARE participating in the latter. Even if by mistake Judy, thanks! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy

2006-01-30 Thread Lance Muir
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy 'deceived by the working of iniquity'? 'no understanding of the issues'? Please elaborate on 'the working of iniquity', David. Please help Debbie and myself understand the issues, David. Lance PS:Have you ever played the game

Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech

2006-01-30 Thread Lance Muir
'not a sin to...' Says who, David? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 29, 2006 21:15 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech cd wrote: DavidM what is the difference between your words to Lance concerning public

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
Really Lance? Then you don't have a wedding garment because your old flesh is not going anyplace but into the ground. Your outer man is perishing as we speak On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:41:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You addressed two profoundly important matters. 1.

Re: [TruthTalk] Tolerance Offense

2006-01-30 Thread Lance Muir
'feminine approach'?? 'emasculates society'?? One would, at the very least, have to grant you your gila monster-like tenacity when you latch onto a way of seeing, David. As to suppression of free speech..well..it'd appear that that's what takes place within your family unit..at least for

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ

2006-01-30 Thread Lance Muir
No Judy!! ATY ought to prefix all of your speculations. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 30, 2006 06:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ Really

[TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
Bill writes: It is rebellion to deny the physical lineage of Christ. He is the second Adam precisely because he is of Adam's blood: through Eve to Seth, and Noah, and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Judah, and David to Jesus throughMary. To deny this is to deny that Christ came in the flesh

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
Bill you have a Greek gospel because your faith rests in Gk words .. I wonder, are allGreeks saved?? Jesus Christ is who His Own Word says he is whether or not orthodoxy agrees and whether you see it or not. Right nowyou are attempting to validate the pronouncements oforthodoxy which is the

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Read on, Judy. As per G's nudging, I did. And may I ask you why you are so bent on changing the subject? Bill - Original Message - From: Judy

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
The seed to whom the promises were made is SPIRITUAL SEED Bill and the second Adam is spiritual also (see 1 Cor 15:45,46). Please don't try to make it something it is not. Abraham BELIEVED God and it was counted to him for righteousness. His sperma who thought they all had it made in the

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
Oh, yeah, blame it on the Word. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:03 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Lance Muir
One smiles, not, I trust in derision, Judy. Look Judy, DM has a 'Geek gospel' but, it is certainly not the case that all 'Geeks' are saved. So then, just to put your fertile imagination to rest, Judy, ..NO! 'who His Own Word say He is'...MEANING:As I, Judy Taylor (and, as I David Miller)

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:32:56 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: His death was the victory not His life. Why then all the fuss about his human nature? Beats me - You ppl are the ones smaking such a big deal out of his "humanity"and I believe the rcc teaches the

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't know what G nudged, since his writings are mostly incomprehensible I skip most of them mainly because I don't have the time to spend trying and figure them out. Since Dean has recently had a G-epiphany maybe he will help ... On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:15:10 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
Why was he so negligent about the sperm of David and the incarnation? Because he was not addressing heretics. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:17

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
And may I ask you why you are so bent on changing the subject? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
Your sweetness once more overflows Bill just like the orthodox fathers. It's a valid question - why not be honest and say you don't have ananswer? The text says "for God was WITH him". On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:34:14 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why was he so negligent about

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
He does not have a human father Bill; he was fathered by the Holy Spirit and the family he was born into is that of Abraham/David. Why are you so adamant about what you can not possibly know. He was born holy. David was not (see Psalm 51:5) "Behold I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my

Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 1/29/2006 9:15:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech cd wrote: DavidM what is the difference between your words to Lance concerning public preaching and your stance concerning

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
What subject is that? I don't see anything written here by G so I am not sure what subject you are on. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:35:07 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And may I ask you why you are so bent on changing the subject? From: Judy Taylor I don't know

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
I believe he was fruit of David's genitals according to the flesh, Judy. Do you believe the same? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:26 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
I did answer the question. Paul was not addressing a challenge against Jesus' humanity. That heresy sprang up later. John addresses it. I certainly do believe that God was with him, Judy; in fact, I also believe he was God. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
Perhaps the subject line could lend some assistance. Do you deny that Christ came in the genetic material of David's loins, Judy; i.e., the flesh, which John addresses? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc:

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Lance Muir
Not a harsh word among them..."ONE FEW OF YOU SEEM TO KNOW PERSONALLY, IT APPEARS (TO ME ...AND TO DM OCCASIONALLY) - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 30, 2006 07:17 Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
cd: I have combined both responses Bill as I believe they are the same and need the same answer. A few days ago you claimed that we could not hear your statement that Christ did not sin-well I heard you now you hear this. We..believe..Christ .. Came..In ..The .. Flesh..But.. WE.. Don't..

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
No; my belief is that Jesus was fathered in the womb of Mary by the Holy Spirit Why is the flesh connection so important to you Bill? On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:47:02 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe he was fruit of David's genitals according to the flesh, Judy. Do you

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
Either Jesus is the Christ of God through the blood line of David or He is nothing at all. You "spiritualize" all references to the genealogy of Christ, making the Old Testament record of no purpose when it comes to the positioning of the Messiah. It is a shame that you make Him to be something

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
There are so many aspects to this argument ... offered by Judy. But, for my money, the point driven home by Bill concerning the blood-line of the Messiah is more without debate than the others (me included.) Judy makes fun of Bill's gospel ("your flesh and blood gospel ...") and, at the

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
While you are busy "spiritualizing" the story of Jesus, you overlook (or worse) what Paul is actually saying. You quote Gal 3:29 which says "And if you belong to Christ, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S OFFSPRING, heirs according to promise" and ignore the words of 3:16 "Now the promises were spoken to

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
I hasten to add a word of thanks to Bill for making this a clearly stated fact of scripture. jd -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] While you are busy "spiritualizing" the story of Jesus, you overlook (or worse) what Paul is actually saying. You quote Gal

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
If we can be adopted as sons into the household of God - why can't God the Word be adopted into humanity as the "son of man?" You are locked into a position you can not prove either way JD. How so, when the flesh profits nothing and the Spirit is what gives life? On Mon, 30 Jan 2006

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
What I deny JD is the sperma connection and this is because of the curse of death on all mankind. He came into this world holy - He is the Lord of Life. Why are you so hot to make him into your image? My church leadership and BSF would do no such thing. The days of hunting down and killing

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:12:34 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While you are busy "spiritualizing" the story of Jesus, you overlook (or worse) what Paul is actually saying. You quote Gal 3:29 which says "And if you belong to Christ, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S OFFSPRING, heirs according

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
Completely bogus, Judy. For starters, you are now arguing that Jesus is the adopted Son of Man. Months ago, I charged that your doctrine would lead to the notion that Jesus is an adopted Son. I was referring to HisEternal Sonship -- little did I know that my prediction would be true as applied to

Re: [TruthTalk] The challenge !! (jd)

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
You use the "holiness" of Jesus to defeat His genealogy, His Messiahship, His Sonship as God or Man, His coming in the flesh. It is a wonder there is anything left about the Christ for you to believe !! To deny the "sperma" connection is to argue that He is not REALLY a descendant of David. THAT

FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Tolerance Offense

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
Rev.2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/30/2006 12:23:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Tolerance Offense cd: Actually David has a

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/29/2006 10:23:19 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? His death was the victory not His life. Why then all the fuss about his human nature? Would it have mattered if he had sinned

RE: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Good point Judy. Reminds me of Christ's first miracle that was mentioned-making of the wine. His mother told the people to do what he tells you to do-she must have good reason to believe Jesus could accomplish miracles-makes one wonder how many she had seen before this. - Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/30/2006 7:41:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? I did answer the question. Paul was not addressing a challenge against Jesus' humanity. That heresy sprang up later. John addresses

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/29/2006 10:56:52 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? He is like us in every respect. According to you, this means that he is not like us, only similar to us. When

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/30/2006 7:21:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ I don't know what G nudged, since his writings are mostly incomprehensible I skip most of them

Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/29/2006 11:08:17 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech Ours is not a ministry of law. We are not about the preaching of Law. unless, of course, you confuse "law" the rule of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/29/2006 10:07:08 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? If Jesus was not of the first Adam, he was not his descendant and, therefore, was not qualified to bear his name. You and yours are

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:12:34 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While you are busy "spiritualizing" the story of Jesus, you overlook (or worse) what Paul is actually saying. You quote Gal 3:29 which says "And

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
Dean, do you believe that the death of Christ can be separated in reality from the life lived and the resurreection/ascention experienced? I say "no." I do not believe that you and Bill actually believe differently on this matter. Give it somethought. jd - Original Message -

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2006-01-30 Thread Terry Clifton
Please unsubscribe me. Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
Dean, do you accept a difference between what one is , ontologically speaking, and what one does? I do. That "he was made to be like us in every respect" is a statement of the essence of His being. It has nothing to do with whether or not He committed sin or whether or not He suffered. More than

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
How so, Dean? jd - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/30/2006 7:41:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? I did answer the question. Paul was not addressing a challenge against Jesus' humanity. That heresy sprang up

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
A good question. dean, can you give us an swer , as well. What makes the first man Adam different from the second man, Adam? jd From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/29/2006 10:07:08 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? If Jesus was not of the first

Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/30/2006 2:20:48 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech You make it sound so simple, Dean. Which commandments. The 613 ? Those commandments that continue the practice of Judaism? How

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/30/2006 1:56:30 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Dean, do you believe that the death of Christ can be separated in reality from the life lived and the

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/30/2006 2:23:07 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? How so, Dean? jd cd: Not sure yet John. By the way here is another commandment passage that shows that they

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
cd: I hope toafter Bill's reply John. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/30/2006 2:25:38 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? A good question. dean, can you give us an swer , as well. What makes the

Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
cd: JohnI am not even going to address this as I hope you understand better at some point in time. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/29/2006 10:41:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy Just

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/29/2006 10:22:12 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Something else, Dean. It has occurred to me that you and Judy believe in two Adams , neither of which is

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:35:08 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Completely bogus, Judy. For starters, you are now arguing that Jesus is the adopted Son of Man. Months ago, I charged that your doctrine would lead to the notion that Jesus is an adopted Son. I was referring to

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/30/2006 2:13:30 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Dean, do you accept a difference between what one is , ontologically speaking, and what one does? I do. That

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
JD writes: Dean, do you accept a difference between what one is , ontologically speaking, and what one does? I do. That "he was made to be like us in every respect" is a statement of the essence of His being. He can not possibly be same as us in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Tolerance Offense

2006-01-30 Thread Christine Miller
Lance wrote: As to suppression of free speech..well..it'd appear that that's what takes place within your family unit..at least for the females.Excuse me, but as a female within my father's family unit, I can tell you that there is no suppression of free speech. My father is extremely

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread David Miller
I'm not caught up on reading, but I just have to say, Judy, that you are not hearing Bill properly. He did answer your question. Many heresies sprang up and those who wrote in the first few centuries after the Biblical writers addressed these heresies. You personally don't understand this

Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech

2006-01-30 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: It is not a sin to attend a Benny Hinn service seeking for a healing from God. It is a sin for the University to promote and indoctrinate students to engage in homosexual fornication. Lance wrote: 'not a sin to...' Says who, David? The Bible, Lance. BIBLE, BIBLE,

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
Yes, Dean, I have been repeating myself --and thisbecause neither of you have adequately addressed my concerns; instead, you are always wont to change the subject.Moreover, I have not seen much yet to suggest that you and Judy even agree on this topic of Jesus' flesh. While yousometimes

Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not caught up on reading, but I just have to say, Judy, that you are not hearing Bill properly. I don't agree David. Bill wrote: It is rebellion to deny the physical lineage of Christ. He is the second Adam precisely because he is of Adam's blood:

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:25:06 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, Dean, I have been repeating myself --and thisbecause neither of you have adequately addressed my concerns; instead, you are always wont to change the subject.Moreover, I have not seen much yet to suggest

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
I have explained this numerous times, Judy. Reread my post of a few days ago pertaining to the intrinsic vs extrinsic nature of the Atonement for starters. By the way, thanks for being honest. This should clarify any confusion Dean may have had about being in agreement with you in regards to

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
That does not surprise me. I did answer the question. Paul was not addressing a challenge against Jesus' humanity. That heresy sprang up later. John addresses it. I certainly do believe that God was with him, Judy; in fact, I also believe he was God.

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't think Dean is as hung up on David's genitals as you are Bill. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:02:41 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have explained this numerous times, Judy. Reread my post of a few days ago pertaining to the intrinsic vs extrinsic nature of the Atonement

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD writes: Dean, do you accept a difference between what one is , ontologically speaking, and what one does? I do. That "he was made to be like us in every respect" is a statement of the essence of His

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:07:06 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That does not surprise me. I did answer the question. Paul was not addressing a challenge against Jesus' humanity. That heresy sprang up later. John addresses it. No

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
cd:I thinkI can if you would be so kind as to point out that passage for me Bill. jd wrote this text.not Bill. The scritpure you asked for is in the paragraph. Secondly, we know that Christ was like us, in every respect. That is the declaration of scripture. You and Judy apparently

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
cd:I thinkI can if you would be so kind as to point out that passage for me Bill. jd wrote this text.not Bill. The scritpure you asked for is in the paragraph. Secondly, we know that Christ was like us, in every respect. That is the declaration of scripture. You and Judy apparently

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:00:07 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD writes: Dean, do you accept a difference between what one is ,

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
humanity - a word that I have yet to find in either OT or NT. Judy, I use the word "humanity" in the way the Bible uses anthropos (i.e., "man") to speak of "mankind" as a collectivewhole.Hence as anthropos was a culturally acceptable way of speaking about humankind two thousand years ago,

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: H.I wonder if there are any new TT subscribers today? And if so, I wonder what they might be thinking after reading some of our posts! :-[ Judy Taylor wrote: I don't think Dean is as hung up on David's genitals as you are Bill. -- ~~~ Dave

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
I don't think Dean is as hung up on David's genitals as you are Bill. It's not my hang up, Judy, but yours. I am simply thrusting home the meaningLuke's words in regards to Christ's humanity. osphuos [UBS] reproductive organs (descendant Ac 2.30). [Friberg] (2) Hebraistically,

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
Dean does not say that Jesus was or is the second Adam, Judy. He says instead that"Jesus was of the second [Adam]," which is what I was questioning. But in case I have not made myself clearnumerous timesin the past, I will do so now: Christ Jesus is the second Adam. Bill - Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
I invite you to read again Peter's sermon in Acts 2. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread ttxpress
myth(Joseph's wife'sparents are alsoJCs human grandparents) On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:42:54 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Jesus was fathered in the womb of Mary ..[but] He does not have a human father

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread ttxpress
myth (JC was human before his death) On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:53:37 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] quotes Darby like a dictionary: "[JC]only called them His brethren[after] He had finished the work which enabled Him to present them with Himself before God. "

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread ttxpress
who said this(?) : 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:21:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (JC was human before his death) On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:53:37 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Taylor
CD wrote The scripture does show a difference between to first man Adam and the second man Adam. Can you point out those differences to help us clear the air so to speak.Thanks Hi Dean, I can begin to do that tonight, Dean, and if you want more I can go into greater detail later. Romans

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread ttxpress
ifyou're thinkin' of askin' JCs Momma,pray shedoesn't ask himto handle it for her On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:15:54 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..I wonder what[ppl] might be thinking after reading .. I don't think Dean is as hung up on David's genitals as you are Bill.

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
Dean, did you answer this post that Judy has decided to argue? I was hoping for your answer. Judy -- You are the one who used "adoption" in reference to Christ being the Son of Man. I believe you wrote that yesterday. I dealt with the idea of "likeness" in a previous post, either last evening

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
Yet without sin says it all JD but you will not accept the obvious We are born in sin and the iniquities of our fathers He is born without sin He is holy because his father isthe Holy Spirit On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:27:38 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dean, did you answer this post that

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
g, did you get my check? jd -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ifyou're thinkin' of askin' JCs Momma,pray shedoesn't ask himto handle it for her On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:15:54 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..I wonder what[ppl] might be

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? cORRECTION

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
Correction immediately below. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean, I hope that you are NOTcoming to a decision that Jesus in the flesh was not God in the flesh. This is a very serious matter. jd -- Original message -- From:

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
:-) -- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: H.I wonder if there are any new TT subscribers today? And if so, I wonder what they might be thinking after reading some of our posts! :-[ Judy Taylor wrote: I don't think Dean is

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread knpraise
Dean, I hope that you are coming to a decision that Jesus in the flesh was not God in the flesh. This is a very serious matter. jd -- Original message -- From: "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I invite you to read again Peter's sermon in Acts 2. - Original Message