Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

On 5/28/2018 6:30 AM, Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: Unifying these would make a real mess of lower casing! German has a special sign ß for "ss", without upper capital version. You may want to retract the second part of that

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

On Mon, 28 May 2018 10:08:30 +0200 Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: > > On 28 May 2018, at 03:39, Garth Wallace wrote: > > The fact that they do not denote the same width in cents in Arabic > > music as they do in Western modern classical does not matter.

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

> On 28 May 2018, at 11:05, Julian Bradfield via Unicode > wrote: > > On 2018-05-28, Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: >>> On 28 May 2018, at 03:39, Garth Wallace wrote: On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Hans Åberg

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

> On 28 May 2018, at 03:39, Garth Wallace wrote: > >> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: >> The flats and sharps of Arabic music are semantically the same as in Western >> music, departing from Pythagorean tuning, then, but the microtonal

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

The flats and sharps of Arabic music are semantically the same as in Western music, departing from Pythagorean tuning, then, but the microtonal accidentals are different: they simply reused some that were available. By contrast, Persian music notation invented new microtonal accidentals, called

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

Philippe is entirely correct here. The fact that a symbol has somewhat different meanings in different contexts does not mean that it is actually multiple visually identical symbols. Otherwise Unicode would be re-encoding the Latin alphabet many, many times over. During most of Bach's career, the

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

Even flat notes or rythmic and pause symbols in Western musical notations have different contextual meaning depending on musical keys at start of scores, and other notations or symbols added above the score. So their interpretation are also variable according to context, just like tuning in a

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

> On 17 May 2018, at 16:47, Garth Wallace via Unicode > wrote: > > On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:41 AM Hans Åberg wrote: > > > On 17 May 2018, at 08:47, Garth Wallace via Unicode > > wrote: > > > >> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 12:42

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:41 AM Hans Åberg wrote: > > > On 17 May 2018, at 08:47, Garth Wallace via Unicode > wrote: > > > >> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 12:42 AM, Hans Åberg via Unicode < > unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > >> > >> It would be best to encode

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

> On 17 May 2018, at 08:47, Garth Wallace via Unicode > wrote: > >> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 12:42 AM, Hans Åberg via Unicode >> wrote: >> >> It would be best to encode the SMuFL symbols, which is rather comprehensive >> and include those: >>

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 12:42 AM, Hans Åberg via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > > > On 16 May 2018, at 00:48, Ken Whistler via Unicode > wrote: > > > > On 5/15/2018 2:46 PM, Markus Scherer via Unicode wrote: > >> I am proposing the addition of 2 new characters to

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

> On 16 May 2018, at 09:42, Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: > >> On 16 May 2018, at 00:48, Ken Whistler via Unicode >> wrote: >> >>> A proposal should also show evidence of usage and glyph variations. >> >> And should probably refer to the

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

Hi Garth, You are right, I sent a similar posting to the list 3 years ago. at that time I was hoping get help from some of the more experienced members on the list to write a proposal. this is a very specialized job and it could take me months to figure out the process and learn the language. But

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

> On 16 May 2018, at 00:48, Ken Whistler via Unicode > wrote: > > On 5/15/2018 2:46 PM, Markus Scherer via Unicode wrote: >> I am proposing the addition of 2 new characters to the Musical Symbols table: >> >> - the half-flat sign (lowers a note by a quarter tone) >> -

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

What happened to the previous proposal? As I recall, there was some good discussion after an email from you back in 2015 < http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2015-m03/0118.html> and Michael Everson offered assistance, but no formal proposal has been submitted to the Documents Register

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

On 5/15/2018 2:46 PM, Markus Scherer via Unicode wrote: I am proposing the addition of 2 new characters to the Musical Symbols table: - the half-flat sign (lowers a note by a quarter tone) - the half-sharp sign (raises a note by a quarter tone) In an actual proposal, I

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 10:47 AM, Johnny Farraj via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > Dear Unicode list members, > > I wish to get feedback about a new symbol submission proposal. > Just to clarify, this is a discussion list where you may get some useful feedback. This is not where you

preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

Dear Unicode list members, I wish to get feedback about a new symbol submission proposal. Currently the Miscellaneous Symbols table (2600-26FF) includes the following characters: 266D ♭ MUSIC FLAT SIGN 266F ♯ MUSIC SHARP SIGN while the Musical Symbols table (1D100 - 1D1FF) includes the