Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

On Monday, February 13, 2017, Brice Dutheil wrote: > The Android battle is another thing that I wouldn't consider for OracleJDK > / OpenJDK. > While I do like what Google did from a technical point of view, Google may > have overstepped fair use (or not – I don't know).

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

The Android battle is another thing that I wouldn't consider for OracleJDK / OpenJDK. While I do like what Google did from a technical point of view, Google may have overstepped fair use (or not – I don't know). Anyway Sun didn't like what Google did, they probably considered going to court at

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

are people actually trying to imply that Google is less evil than oracle? what is this shill fest On 12 Feb. 2017 8:24 am, "Kant Kodali" wrote: Saw this one today... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13624062 On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Eric Evans

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

Saw this one today... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13624062 On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Eric Evans wrote: > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Edward Capriolo > wrote: > > Lets be clear: > > What I am saying is avoiding being loose

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote: > Lets be clear: > What I am saying is avoiding being loose with the word "free" > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_license > > Many things with the JVM are free too. Most importantly it is free to use. > >

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

Back in the day, HotSpot was recommended because OpenJDK had some stability and performance issues. But in 2015 or maybe 2014 I heard in a presentation (don't remember by whom) that OpenJDK is pretty on par with HotSpot for C*. But I guess the documentation was never properly updated. On Tue,

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

The fact that Oracle would even come up with something like this "Oracle's position was that Google should have to license code from them." is just messed up. And these kind of business practices are exactly the reason why to stay away. Of course every company is there to make money. You look at

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Kant Kodali wrote: > This is a subjective question and of course it would turn into opinionated > answers and I think we should welcome that (Nothing wrong in debating a > topic). we have many such debates as SE's such as programming language >

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

This is a subjective question and of course it would turn into opinionated answers and I think we should welcome that (Nothing wrong in debating a topic). we have many such debates as SE's such as programming language comparisons, Architectural debates, Framework/Library debates and so on. people

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Benjamin Roth wrote: > Does this discussion really make sense any more? To me it seems it turned > opinionated and religious. From my point of view anything that has to be > said was said. > > Am 02.01.2017 21:27 schrieb "Edward Capriolo"

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

Does this discussion really make sense any more? To me it seems it turned opinionated and religious. From my point of view anything that has to be said was said. Am 02.01.2017 21:27 schrieb "Edward Capriolo" : > > > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Eric Evans

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Eric Evans wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Edward Capriolo > wrote: > > "I don't really have any opinions on Oracle per say, but Cassandra is a > > Free Software project and I would prefer that we not

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote: > "I don't really have any opinions on Oracle per say, but Cassandra is a > Free Software project and I would prefer that we not depend on > commercial software, (and that's kind of what we have here, an > implicit

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

> I dont mean to say JVM shouldn't be in hands of large entity but rather If it was in the hands of companies like Google or Microsoft or say DataStax I would have been more happy :) Considering DataStax just announced they are pulling back from open source Cassandra and are focusing on their

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

The observations that James Gosling did aren't just relevant in the year 2010 but rather he expressed Oracle's DNA. He clearly expressed how the upper management in that company works. And even today it works the same way starting from decades ago. If you know a character of someone you can

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

A note on this video from the respected James Gosling, is that it is from 2010, when Oracle was new to the Java stewardship ecosystem. The company came a long since. I'm not saying everything is perfect. But I doubt that a product such as the JVM will be as good without a company guidance. The

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 5:58 AM, Kant Kodali wrote: > @Edward Agreed JVM is awesome and it is a work of many smart people and > this is obvious if one looks into the JDK code. But given Oracle history of > business practices and other decisions it is a bit hard to convince

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

@Edward Agreed JVM is awesome and it is a work of many smart people and this is obvious if one looks into the JDK code. But given Oracle history of business practices and other decisions it is a bit hard to convince oneself that everything is going to be OK and that they actually care about open

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Kant Kodali wrote: > Java 9 Module system looks really interesting. I would be very curious to > see how Cassandra would leverage that. > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Kant Kodali wrote: > >> I would agree with Eric

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

Java 9 Module system looks really interesting. I would be very curious to see how Cassandra would leverage that. On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Kant Kodali wrote: > I would agree with Eric with his following statement. In fact, I was > trying to say the same thing. > > "I

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

I would agree with Eric with his following statement. In fact, I was trying to say the same thing. "I don't really have any opinions on Oracle per say, but Cassandra is a Free Software project and I would prefer that we not depend on commercial software, (and that's kind of what we have here, an

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

Pretty much a non-story, it seems like. Clickbait imho. Search ‘The Register’ in this wikipedia page @Ben Manes Agreed, OpenJDK and Oracle JDK are now pretty close, but there is still some differences in the VM

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

Reading that article the only conclusion I can reach (unless I'm misreading) is that all the stuff that was never free is still not free - the change is that Oracle may actually be interested in the fact that some are using non-free products for free. Pretty much a non-story, it seems like. On

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

On 12/21/2016 08:38 AM, Eric Evans wrote: > I don't really have any opinions on Oracle per say, but Cassandra is a > Free Software project and I would prefer that we not depend on > commercial software, (and that's kind of what we have here, an > implicit dependency). Just a bit of clarification.

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Kant Kodali wrote: > Looking at this > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java_users_non_compliance/?mt=1481919461669 > I don't know why Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM? The long answer probably dates back to before the

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

On Wednesday, December 21, 2016, Kant Kodali wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ei-rbULWoA > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:59 AM, Kant Kodali > wrote: > >>

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ei-rbULWoA On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:59 AM, Kant Kodali wrote: > https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/ > current/_java_virtual_machine.html > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:58 AM, Kant Kodali wrote: > >> The

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/_java_virtual_machine.html On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:58 AM, Kant Kodali wrote: > The fact is Oracle is horrible :) > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:54 AM, Brice Dutheil > wrote: > >> Let's

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

The fact is Oracle is horrible :) On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:54 AM, Brice Dutheil wrote: > Let's not debate opinion on the Oracle stewardship here, we certainly have > different views that come from different experiences. > > Let's discuss facts instead :) > > -- Brice

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Let's not debate opinion on the Oracle stewardship here, we certainly have different views that come from different experiences. Let's discuss facts instead :) -- Brice On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Kant Kodali wrote: > yeah well I don't think Oracle is treating Java

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

yeah well I don't think Oracle is treating Java the way Google is treating Go and I am not a big fan of Go mainly because I understand the JVM is far more robust than anything that is out there. "Oracle just doesn't understand open source" These are the words from James Gosling himself I do

Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

The problem described in this article is different than what you have on your servers and I’ll add this article should be reaad with caution, as The Register is known for sensationalism. The article itself has no substantial proof or enough details. In my opinion this article is clickbait. Anyway

Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?

Looking at this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java_users_non_compliance/?mt=1481919461669 I don't know why Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM? JVM is a great piece of software but I would like to stay away from Oracle as much as possible. Oracle is just horrible the way they