Hi Nestor,
This is a code snippet from a catch clause in an ActionForm class of mine:
...
ActionErrors errors = new ActionErrors();
if (this.getValorPorcentual() == null) {
errors.add(ActionErrors.GLOBAL_ERROR,
new
Hi,
I'm using validation with one locale and everything works fine. Then I
decided to add another locale for Icelandic, and do the following:
formset language=is
/formset
This gives me an empty formset and no validation is turned on. So I move
on to try to add a form for validation:
formset
#4 ..
#1 - so I generate them from my POJOs using XDoclet. All the other
frameworks I use (JSF, Spring, Tapestry and WebWork) allow me to use
my
POJOs directly.
Matt
On May 11, 2005, at 4:02 PM, Michael Jouravlev wrote:
Turns out, that my way of using action forms differs from
#4
On 5/12/05, Marco Mistroni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
#4 ..
#1 - so I generate them from my POJOs using XDoclet. All the other
frameworks I use (JSF, Spring, Tapestry and WebWork) allow me to use
my
POJOs directly.
Matt
On May 11, 2005, at 4:02 PM, Michael Jouravlev wrote:
#4
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From: Marco Mistroni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 May 2005 09:05
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [POLL] What do you use action forms for?
#4 ..
#1 - so I generate them from my POJOs using XDoclet. All the other
frameworks I use (JSF,
To all of the #4 voter.
Can you bring in an example?
I mean what exactly do you show on the output page?
thanx
Leon
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Sent: 12 May 2005 09:05
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [POLL] What do you use
I have been using struts for a while now and have built up a collection of
common code/forms/actions (stuff like log on, log off, administer news
items, etc). Everytime I create a new web application that builds on top
of these, I seem to be copying all the form/action definitions from my
Hello,
In output page I just display actionform properties..
For example, @work, I display actionform properties after a search, or
after an update
@home, now that I realize it, I use them only for input..because in
output of my action I have either a statusmsg or a collection of POJO
#4 is pretty much the standard.
your bean declares fields, you use the struts-html tags to draw your form and
link it to the action mapping. also use struts tags to render a block of error
messages in a list, or next to each form input. the action mapping declares it
uses the form bean. turn
In my particular usage (which might be half or even fully cocked) I do the
following:
For Input, I take the details in via a form, like most I assume;
For Viewing/Editing or Amending I take a POJO from Hibernate and then using
PropertyUtils copy the data from the POJO to the Form and then use the
pretty much what is on the input form. :)
eg: a search form would return the same search form with the set
parameters. the result i pass as a Collection in Request
imho, in a lot of the cases (mostly simple) it is just not worth the
effort to do a separation of input and output ActionForm 's
Hi riyaz,
Thank you very much.
I have try it.
I think this method is mot suitable for me as I only want to get the fields
in jsp not all the field in the form.
As some field in the form is not used in jsp and some field is used by the
other action.
Anyway thank a lot.
Do you still have any
well for a search form, it's not like you really need the values of the form
remembered, since the resultant view is always going to be a search results
page. your search action could quite happily just worry about
request.getParameter(searchInputType). we use ActionForm only where it
Sorry, but you described #2 and not #4.
On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 09:49 +0100, Allistair Crossley wrote:
#4 is pretty much the standard.
your bean declares fields, you use the struts-html tags to draw your form and
link it to the action mapping. also use struts tags to render a block of
error
Hi,
I need to pass an url to an action for do some validations, this action is
a parameter of application's configuration, the user mustn't modify it and
it has the same value all the time. I don't know the best way to do this.
Thanks
Rodolfo
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unless u have a method by which u can select which fields u want to
display, yup it'll render all fields on form.
i currently use customized Form*Config's to give it hints in the
struts-config.xml file. the ability to use set-property key/value is
hopefully coming soon (struts 1.3-dev). but
indeed. i was giving a simple example. it can well be an data insert
form (where validation is required) - with some appropriate
message/result returned with it.
it is quite easy to use the same actionform for input/output
riyaz
Allistair Crossley wrote:
well for a search form, it's not like
action path=...
type=...
name=...
scope=request
validate=false
parameter={parameter}
forward name=success path=... redirect=false /
/action
Use the parameter={parameter}, you can then pick this up in the
Dear All,
I'm in trouble of using depends=required in validation.xml for validate
radio buttons.
If has no any selected the radio buttons. It don't validate anything and I
got an errors message
WARNING: Unhandled Exception thrown: class java.lang.NullPointerException
(I'm using Tomcat
thanks this is I was looking for
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I have a search page which allows the user to perform multiple actions. i.e
The user can select a returned row and then he can edit or delete via a link.
However if I use the following link tag in my jsp:
html:link forward=editClient/html:link
This is encompassed within a form tag.
The struts
If set your href of the link to be something like this:
href=javascript:document.{Form Name}.submit();
Then the form will be submitted and your form values will not be set to
null.
Christopher Marsh-Bourdon
www.marsh-bourdon.com
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Would I use the href tag in addition to using the forward tag within the
link?
html:link href=javascript:document.{Form Name}.submit();
forward=editClient
/html:link
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Sent: 12 May 2005 11:16
To: 'Struts Users
Folks,
I there a standard way of handling session timeouts. If a user has been
inactive for longer than N minutes I want to redirect them to the login
page.
It occurs to me that this could be done in a) the RequestProcessor or b) in
an JSP include.
Is there another way?
What is best
Get rid of the forward, I tend to use just HTML tags for this, but it should
work if you lop off the forward, as the form handles the POST.
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To: user@struts.apache.org
Subject: RE: using html link
Hello,
It should be done in the RequestProcessor.
If none of your JSP is doing a forward to other JSP directly.
Shailender Jain
Adam Lipscombe wrote:
Folks,
I there a standard way of handling session timeouts. If a user has been
inactive for longer than N minutes I want to redirect them to
The href=javascript:document.{Form Name}.submit(); will allow me to submit
the form but how would I send the request parameter through which the forward
allows me to send.
Eg:
global-forwards
forward name=editClient path=/actionClient.do?action=edit/
/global-forwards
for this particular link I
Set a hidden field within the form, which you could dynamically set using
JavaScript, and example would be:
html:form action=/xyz.do method=POST
html:hidden property=abc /
html:link
href=javascript:document.xyz.abc.value='edit';document.xyz.submit();
/html:form
I roughly
On 5/10/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi:
I have been playing with JSF lately. I really like it since it is very
intuitive. But as I
understand it, JSF keeps a component tree for each page with JSF widgets in
it on the server. So
it is heavy weight compared with struts. Could I
;)
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Sent: 12 May 2005 10:16
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [POLL] What do you use action forms for?
Sorry, but you described #2 and not #4.
On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 09:49 +0100, Allistair Crossley
How does your system know to send the user to the login page in the first
place?
Typically an application (or the container if you are letting it manage
authentication) detectes that a request is made with no session/an invalid
session/a new session. It then sends the user to the login page.
My question would be:
* Under this poll how does the Struts MailReader application use ActionForms?
I would think the essential question is whether people use ActionForms to
1) Harvest or populate only the default values of form controls.
2) Populate other page members, such as the items
Hi Adam,
One possibility is to have the timing out of the session be managed by
your container and have the redirection issued by a filter.
If you are using Tomcat 4+ this is very straightforward to implement.
In the web.xml, you declare your session-timeout value and your filter
class. After
Some of you needs a struts mentor ;-)
You use display any bean or collection in struts, if it's RO, you don't
use formBeans and you use JSTL/displaytag.
If you edit, update, insert, etc, you have to use and map a form bean
and html tag.
Often do I see a formBean mapped on a page that only
So you use #2? :)
Pedro Salgado
On 12/05/2005 14:40, Vic Cekvenich (netsql) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some of you needs a struts mentor ;-)
You use display any bean or collection in struts, if it's RO, you don't
use formBeans and you use JSTL/displaytag.
If you edit, update, insert, etc,
OK but I really dont know when to use all of them or some of them can
u explain me
thnx
On 5/12/05, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the same problem you had with your other custom validation method -
the parameters you've defined in the validation configuration file don't
Well, your option 1) matched the #2
and
2) matched the #4
:)
Pedro Salgado
#1 Prefer not to use action forms at all
#2 For input data only (usually collected from HTML form)
#3 For output only (to be used in JSP)
#4 Same form for input and output
#5 One form for input, another for output
On Thu, May 12, 2005 6:46 am, Ted Husted said:
If the decision between approaches is not obvious, then do the first
interation of your application using both, and compare the results for
yourself.
I don't know what kind of environment you work in, but if I suggested
writing an application
That's easy, just drop this in all of your JSPs (preferrably via an include
or let a filter do it for you).
(assuming your session timeout is 20 minutes)
meta http-equiv=refresh content=1200;/
You should be handling invalid/expired session state in your application and
by using the above
Michael, is #4 clear?? I think people are misunderstanding it. Developers
can use a form for input and output (#4/1), but not put display (pure
output) data in there (#4/2). The difference is between an edit and view
page.
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In our application we handle user inactivity using a javascript timer on the
client side.
The requirement we had was to issue a warning message if the user has not
typed
or clicked anything for some period of time. What we do is once the
javascript timer expires we post a message which the user
On 5/12/05, Pedro Salgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, your option 1) matched the #2
and
2) matched the #4
:)
Pedro Salgado
It might be helpfult to clarify whether by output we mean output that
is being used within the html:form tags, or any arbitrary dynamic
output.
The intended
Ted,
This is my point too. I think the majority of people answered #4 because
data within html:form tags is I/O, but it's not the type of output (i.e.,
arbitrary display output) I think Michael was trying to convey.
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Sent:
Hey all
is it possible to forme my struts app to open up a second browser window for
the purpose of streaming a different content type (like a pdf file) into it
while maintaining the page in the original browser?
Essentially, I have a nicely rendered HTML report in browser a and when
the user
I've always felt the ActionForm had become something that wasn't
originally intended... I personally use it as something that applies to a
PAGE and not just a form, so it becomes an I/O object for me in the truest
sense.
I love the idea of something like a Velocity-type context. Before I came
to
Although this approach might work, I don't like it so much. The reasons:
1) Maintainability: if you want to change the timeout to 30 minutes (and
you have 50 jsp pages), then you have to make the change 50 times.
2) Business Logic: This approach will never prevent you Action from
executing.
David,
You could have your response return HTML with rendered JavaScript; the
script would then automatically pop open a new window with the destination
link that generates your unstructured content. You could even provide a link
in the response if the JavaScript doesn't run automatically.
I've been starting to read up on Spring and I am sure it handles the same BOs
in the view/model/dao tiers.
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Sent: 12 May 2005 15:34
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [POLL] What do you use action forms for?
hmm I dont think I understand. so instead of redirecting to an action
mapping, just add the HTML myself, like you would if you were writing a
servlet (no jsp) application? interesting.
you're right, I dont need a nice tiles definition page for my pdf/xls
output.. all I really need is to pop up
I have a method in my BaseAction called boolean checkAuth(request). then
in every Action I write I code this at the top
// Check if session is active, if not redirect to login page
if( !checkAuth( request )){
log.info(*** Session has timed out ***);
errors.add( ActionErrors.GLOBAL_ERROR, new
Hi,
That's scary :). I would never trust javascript for session management.
What happens if javascript is turned off? The user is not allowed to use
your app?
Your requirement can definetly be met on the server-side. Here's a
possible scenario. You can create you a timer class (running in a
David,
You cannot control opening a new client window from a server response. This
is all client-side control -- javascript for the user explicitly opens a
link in a new window. Because of this limitation, you need to work with the
client-side support that you may have control over: JavaScript.
Hi,
This approach would work as well. I just think that if you're going to do
this in struts, it's better to do it in the RequestProcessor. Why?
Assume that you are using the forward action defined in struts. If my
session has timedout and I click on a link that uses the forward action, I
You said:
Essentially, I have a nicely rendered HTML report in browser a and when
the user clicks export to PDF or export to excel I want a NEW browser
to pop up into which I will send the response with the headerType set to
the appropriate type.
Without an applet or ActiveX control or something
Ted Husted wrote:
Reasonable minds can disagree. :)
No they can't.
Dave
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Although this approach might work, I don't like it so much. The reasons:
1)
Michael Klaene wrote:
action path=/login type=org.jsurveys.web.struts.LoginAction
name=loginForm input=login.page scope=request
forward name=success path=welcome.page/
forward name=failure path=login.page/
/action
Woudln't you need a validate=true attribute?
Dave
Good point Aladin...
However, I would take this a step further...
in pre-1.3 Struts, you might not want to implement your own RP for various
reasons, so I would suggest doing this in a filter instead... Same benefit
as modifying the RP, but doesn't touch Struts code and is also more
portable...
I disagree.
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On 12/05/2005 16:34, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've always felt the ActionForm had become something that wasn't
originally intended... I personally use it as something that applies to a
PAGE and not just a form, so it becomes an I/O object for me in the truest
sense.
So you
Hi Dave,
This is pretty straightforward. In browser a, you have a button that says:
Export to PDF
The code would look like this:
html:form action=/exportToPdf.do target=_NEW
submit name=export value=Export to PDF
/html
When the user clicks on the button, the action exportToPdf.do opens an
A, gotcha. it's an internal app thankfully, and they're fine with
javascript.
The report itself foesnt exist when the page is sitting there rendered. the
action is going to render it.. a Call to SAS specifically, --
Hi
1) Maintainability: if you want to change the timeout to 30 minutes (and
you have 50 jsp pages), then you have to make the change 50 times.
Umm..ya...that's why I explicity said preferrably via an include or let a
filter do it for you.
Missed the filter part :)
2) Business Logic: This
James Mitchell wrote:
I disagree.
Wait, trinary logic?
Dave Is it Friday already? Newton
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Reasonable minds can disagree. :)
No they can't.
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whoa that's simple. I'm trying that first Thanks
One things though, I'll have to set the target conditionally, only when
the user clicks PDF or EXCEL since I dont **always** want it opening a
new window...
function setTarget(target) {
document.forms[0].target=target;
}
On 5/12/05, Aladin
#4 Same form for input and output
Vincent
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David,
Aladin has a more straight forward approach. If you can know ahead of time
when you need to open a new window, take his approach; if you have no prior
knowledge, you'll need to send back JavaScript to open a new window. Either
way should fit the bill.
Thanks,
Paul
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Hi
Does somebody know how I can get the ActionErrors object from the request???
Regards,
Néstor Boscán
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such assertions that, in my mind, are unreasonable.
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Yea, it's not Friday. Just whining (with no cheese)..
Anyone else fed up with trying to keep up with all the stuff coming out
every day in this crazy IT world insert one of a million acronyms here ???
I can't play an instrument or sing, but maybe it's not too late to
become a rock star at 35? I
Ugh, I always forget the simple target attribute! Absolutely agreed,
that's probably the best approach.
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On Thu, May 12, 2005 11:16 am, David Johnson said:
whoa that's simple. I'm trying that
On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 17:07 +0200, Pedro Salgado wrote:
So you mean, on your actionform you use:
The html form attributes + (this is what I understand for input)
The collections needed to present combo/list boxes (and other options) (this
is what I understand for output)
I don't think #2
You raise a good point, but I think there is something to be said for
keeping class count down and keeping those UML diagrams less cluttered.
It's a balancing act, that would be my contention. I never like saying
one approach is bad or improper, because inevitably someone can come
up with an
Ska? Showing your age there Rick. Oops, so am I. :-)
On 5/12/05, Rick Reumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yea, it's not Friday. Just whining (with no cheese)..
Anyone else fed up with trying to keep up with all the stuff coming out
every day in this crazy IT world insert one of a million
James Mitchell wrote:
I consider myself a reasonably minded person, yet I tend to disagree
with such assertions that, in my mind, are unreasonable.
Yeah, but I was being sarcastic.
Look, an argument isn't simply a contradiction [...]
Yes it is.
Dave
#2 only.
Michael Jouravlev wrote the following on 5/11/2005 6:02 PM:
What is your preferred way to use action forms?
#1 Prefer not to use action forms at all
#2 For input data only (usually collected from HTML form)
#3 For output only (to be used in JSP)
#4 Same form for input and output
#5 One
It really has nothing to do with caching, that meta refresh tag forces the
browser to refresh the page from the server (without JavaScript) so (for
example) the user returns from a long lunch and sees the browser sitting at
the login screen instead of the last customer search.
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I might give potato farming a try.
Frank W. Zammetti wrote the following on 5/12/2005 12:09 PM:
Based on the talent of musicians as a whole over the past few years, I
would say it's *never* too late to become a rock star. Even if one is in
a nursing home, confined to a wheel chair and suffering
And remember, old ska bands never die, they just can't
pickitup-pickitup-pickitup anymore.
(Couldn't resist the chance to use my only ska-related joke).
Rick Reumann wrote:
Yea, it's not Friday. Just whining (with no cheese)..
Anyone else fed up with trying to keep up with all the stuff coming
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Based on the talent of musicians as a whole over the past few years, I
would say it's *never* too late to become a rock star. Even
if one is in
a nursing home, confined to a wheel chair and suffering
Rick Reumann wrote:
Anyone else fed up with trying to keep up with all the stuff coming
out every day in this crazy IT world insert one of a million acronyms
here ???
At one company I worked for we kept a list of all the
technologies/acronyms we were using on a single web project. After we
ran
On Thu, May 12, 2005 12:35 pm, Pilgrim, Peter said:
How did the Rolling Stone make over the last decade?
One billion smackers, reportedly!
Exception to the rule. There's more of those, but that's what they are.
For every 10 wastes of airspace on the radio there is 1 good talent. And
I'm
Whew! Thank you all for responses. I am sorry that I confuse some of
you. Now I kind of got confused myself, because there are some usages
I did not even thought of :)
First, the things that I can state for sure.
* I started to use Struts when I had rather vague knowledge about
servlets/JSPs, so
But #5 is better in this regard, is not it? ;) Do you think #5 is worse than #2?
On 5/12/05, Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As you see, you don't need the BookForm to present a Book, since you
need other properties for presentation, as for editing.
So if you are working with scenario
Oops, I don't know why did I mention going back again. I guess, I am
too fixated on that. I am sorry.
Anyway, just to reiterate, I have a current object in the session.
Current means currenty being used whatever that means for you.
Object has an ID. I pass this ID to any action which uses this
So, how what would you all say about my method? does this seem to be a valid
method for controlling this?
On 5/12/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good point Aladin...
However, I would take this a step further...
in pre-1.3 Struts, you might not want to implement your own
Sorry, I lost track of the thread (stupid webmail interface!)... can you
outline your method again?
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On Thu, May 12, 2005 1:39 pm, David Johnson said:
So, how what would you all say about my
Hello,
There is the nice way (tags) - which I deduce from a previous posting you
already know - and then there are many dirty ways. For instance, you can
access it directly. However, in that case, you have to find out the key
under which Struts stores that object. There is one, that I can assure
http://javaboutique.internet.com/tutorials/excep_struts/
A good article
Handling Messages, Errors and Exceptions in Struts 1.1
Hi
Does somebody know how I can get the ActionErrors
object from the request???
Regards,
Néstor Boscán
Greetings all,
Based on the subject line has anyone had any problems implementing
these systems together? Anything I should keep an eye out for?
thanks,
Andrew
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Well the question was, why to use ActionForm if a POJO will do it es well?
And keeping current object in session isn't a solution to all problems...
Just to give you an example, in our current application we have about
5000-7000 active session
on each webserver. We have tons of object, so if
Well the question was, why to use ActionForm if a POJO will do it es well?
And keeping current object in session isn't a solution to all problems...
Just to give you an example, in our current application we have about
5000-7000 active session
on each webserver. We have tons of object, so if
Leon,
My biggest problem with session based forms is that, without a special
mechanism, it prevents multiple instances of a form from being edited at
once within a session.
Am I the only one with this concern? ;-)
Paul
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Benedict, Paul C wrote the following on 5/12/2005 3:25 PM:
My biggest problem with session based forms is that, without a special
mechanism, it prevents multiple instances of a form from being edited at
once within a session.
Not really, because I can just call form.reset() (or assign the
Rick, what do you mean? It sounds like you have an answer.
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Benedict, Paul C wrote the following on
On 5/12/05, Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well the question was, why to use ActionForm if a POJO will do it es well?
Umm... No reason, unless one wants to use same ActionForm for input,
edit, view, etc.
And keeping current object in session isn't a solution to all problems...
Just
Michael Jouravlev wrote:
P.S. If a problem can be solved by adding more RAM, it is not a real
problem ;) This is what Microsoft keeps proving with Windows: 640K,
1M, 4M, 16M, 64M... But people still use it, they just put more memory
in their machines. Someone can still advertise OS which fits on
70mb might not be much on a single server, but move to a clustered
environment and you might be in for some rude surprises...
Remember replication across the cluster... while 10k per session might not
be much, 5000-7000 sessions constantly replicating 10k across the cluster
could become an issue
You wouldn't be so much older than a lot of people in the audience
these days. I sometimes take the kids to all-ages shows, and I'm
always happy to find that I'm still neither the oldest nor the
spookiest guy there :)
Tomorrow night, live at the Steel Music Hall: Midtown, Plain White
Ts, and my
Ted Husted wrote:
Tomorrow night, live at the Steel Music Hall: Midtown, Plain White
Ts, and my personal favorite, the Struts band of the week ... Action
Action. (No kidding.)
*lol*
When we see Perversion of Control fronted by Hot Dependency
Injection THEN I'll be scared.
Dave
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