Re: The framework I think I want...

2006-01-07 Thread Dakota Jack
Again, it was not a challenge. Thanks for explaining. On 1/6/06, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its a valid point - I did vote for WebWork without much knowledge and anyone crticising my decision to do that probably has good grounds to do so. For the record the following was my

Re: Advice for Struts expert wanting to try Shale?

2006-01-07 Thread Dakota Jack
JSF is page centric rather than Action centric. There is no controller as you understand that in Struts with JSF. JSF is for a tool based, dumbed down, approach: JSF is to Struts as Visual Basic is to C++. On 1/6/06, Rick Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the response, Craig. It's nice

Re: Advice for Struts expert wanting to try Shale?

2006-01-07 Thread Mark Lowe
On 1/7/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JSF is page centric rather than Action centric. There is no controller as you understand that in Struts with JSF. JSF is for a tool based, dumbed down, approach: JSF is to Struts as Visual Basic is to C++. JSF is more page centric than struts,

How to forward from one action to another, with modified parameters?

2006-01-07 Thread Eric Jain
If a request for /retrieve.do?id=42 fails (e.g. couldn't find item in database), I'd like to say request.setStatus(HttpServletResponse.SC_NOT_FOUND); request.setAttribute(warning, Not your lucky day.); and forward (not redirect) the request to /search.do?query=42 Can this behavior

Redirection

2006-01-07 Thread Eric Jain
Is there any way I could get an ActionForward to do permanent (301) rather than temporary (302) redirects? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Redirection

2006-01-07 Thread Mark Lowe
Not sure if i've understood what you're after, but you can just write to the reponse (as you would in a normal servlet) and return null for you action forward. Your webapp configuration will do the rest from there like with any webapp. On 1/7/06, Eric Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any

Re: Redirection

2006-01-07 Thread Eric Jain
Mark Lowe wrote: Not sure if i've understood what you're after, but you can just write to the reponse (as you would in a normal servlet) and return null for you action forward. Your webapp configuration will do the rest from there like with any webapp. Yes, that's a solution. On the other hand

Re: Advice for Struts expert wanting to try Shale?

2006-01-07 Thread Dakota Jack
The view controller is not a controller in the Web-MVC sense and is completely misleading, in my opinion, Mark. So part of this just may be who's dog is in the hunt? The point of the tool-based and VB analogy is that JSF tries to hide from you, to do it for you, what other frameworks, like

Re: Redirection

2006-01-07 Thread Dakota Jack
Hi, Eric, I think you have to go back through the code and find out where the status codes are handled. I have to admit that I don't know. If someone else does, this would be great information to have. This is an interesting problem and one that I always put on the back burner. Maybe now is

Re: How to forward from one action to another, with modified parameters?

2006-01-07 Thread Dakota Jack
In my opinion, Eric, this is a bad solution. There are lots of reasons this is bad. Rather than go through them, I would suggest you just add the logic in /search.do?query=42 at the point you get the failure form /retrieve.do?id=42. On 1/7/06, Eric Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a request

Re: Redirection

2006-01-07 Thread Niall Pemberton
Currently (i.e. Struts 1.2.x) this is done in the processForwardConfig() method of the RequestProcessor - if the ActionMapping has redirect set to true it calls the sendRedirect(url) method - which as I understand it is a convenience method for setting a 302 status and location header. Currently

[JSF/Shale] bean:message with parameter

2006-01-07 Thread Garner, Shawn
I want to do something like this in JSF: bean:message key=affirmation.link1 arg0=%=szFormType%/ Which I think translates to h:outputText value=#{bundle.affirmation.link1 f:param value=#{szFormType}/ /h:outputText Is this correct? Shawn

RE: Calendar Project

2006-01-07 Thread Jim Douglas
I couldn't find one, but this PHP based one will integrate with STRUTS, http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php You can use this PHP - JAVA bridge http://php-java-bridge.sourceforge.net/ (of course you have to have PHP installed first) Jim From: Rafael Taboada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts

Re: [Shale] getting my first dialog to work with Shale/MyFaces

2006-01-07 Thread gramani
Rahul Akolkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/06/2006 05:07:21 PM: On 1/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ Actually I found that dialog-config.xml had an xml error so I guess it was silently not loaded. So I fixed it and now the Cancel works (yeahh!!) so I think at

Re: Advice for Struts expert wanting to try Shale?

2006-01-07 Thread Mark Lowe
Both struts and jsf provide a means of handling form submissons, that seems pretty view controller to me. I dont get how everything's so black and white and/or chalk and cheese. Sure you define views in jsf, and you can mess with more than just the forms, but are the differences really as profound

RE: The framework I think I want...

2006-01-07 Thread Daniel Blumenthal
I just wanted to say, this has been a great thread, and given me a lot of food for thought. As I mentioned previously, I've spent a lot of time with my head down developing in Struts 1.1, and now that I'm refactoring my site, it's good to hear people batting around different ideas about the

Re: Advice for Struts expert wanting to try Shale?

2006-01-07 Thread Alexandre Poitras
By the way the so called application controller (RequestProcessor) pattern has NOTHING to do with the controller (action, backing bean), also called input controller, found in the so often misunderstood MVC pattern. The only similarity is the sharing of the term controller. If you don't believe

Re: Advice for Struts expert wanting to try Shale?

2006-01-07 Thread Ted Husted
On 1/7/06, Alexandre Poitras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't believe me, you can look in the famous pattern books out there (Fowler, J2EE core patterns). Some of which used Struts as one of the use cases to prove a pattern exists. :) But, in the end, it is what it is. What we call a

RE: The framework I think I want...

2006-01-07 Thread Daniel Blumenthal
Frank, Interesting... there is of course no reason you can't use ActionForms with AJAX, was it a conscious decision that you didn't need them? How are you getting around not using them? Your Actions pull parameters directly from request I assume? Right. My struts-config.xml file is

Re: Advice for Struts expert wanting to try Shale?

2006-01-07 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Ted Husted wrote: An expert uses the best tool for the job. A journeyman wants one size to fit all. Blessed are those who get to make such decisions. There are unfortunately many shops that decide what the proper technologies are *before* any project kicks off, all in the name of

Re: [JSF/Shale] bean:message with parameter

2006-01-07 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 1/7/06, Garner, Shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to do something like this in JSF: bean:message key=affirmation.link1 arg0=%=szFormType%/ Which I think translates to h:outputText value=#{bundle.affirmation.link1 f:param value=#{szFormType}/ /h:outputText Is this correct?

Re: Advice for Struts expert wanting to try Shale?

2006-01-07 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 1/7/06, Mark Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/7/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JSF is page centric rather than Action centric. There is no controller as you understand that in Struts with JSF. JSF is for a tool based, dumbed down, approach: JSF is to Struts as Visual

Re: Advice for Struts expert wanting to try Shale?

2006-01-07 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 1/7/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a JSF application, there's actually two ways to implement classic Front Controller type functionality, such as send the user to the logon page if they are not currently logged on: Concrete examples will help make this clearer, so here

Re: Advice for Struts expert wanting to try Shale?

2006-01-07 Thread Dakota Jack
LOL I gave him the very same answer that you did, including the same citations. The difference is that I did not gloss over the confusion you have systematically engendered by not just owning up to the differences from day one. You don't have to love something to explain it. Otherwise, who

How to merely retrieve data? - Newbie looking for best practices

2006-01-07 Thread Eric Rank
Greetings! First, I'm new to Struts, and pretty green in my Java skills, but I'm excited about learning both! My goal is to retrieve data, which a jsp will spill out. I'm trying to do it by writing a simple Action subclass to get the data and send it along. The way I'm doing it isn't working.

Re: How to merely retrieve data? - Newbie looking for best practices

2006-01-07 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 1/7/06, Eric Rank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My goal is to retrieve data, which a jsp will spill out. I'm trying to do it by writing a simple Action subclass to get the data and send it along. The way I'm doing it isn't working. My action mapping looks like this: action

Re: How to merely retrieve data? - Newbie looking for best practices

2006-01-07 Thread Eric Rank
Ahhh yes. Actually, I did check out the DTD a couple of days ago. I remember it saying how you can only put in one forward include or type. I just didn't connect how I would set a type and then specify a forward as the child node. Now it works just fine. I knew it was probably something simple. I

Re: [Shale] getting my first dialog to work with Shale/MyFaces

2006-01-07 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On 1/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul Akolkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/06/2006 05:07:21 PM: On 1/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ My Search still throws a nasty error, but I guess I shall struggle with that awhile before I give up and

Re: Advice for Struts expert wanting to try Shale?

2006-01-07 Thread Alexandre Poitras
Ok can we all ignore the troll and go back to the original subject... Like Craig pointed out Rick, I think you should play around with JSF first and then Shale. The IBM serie Cleared FUD about JSF is a good introduction to. I think one of the previous poster posted the link. Shale is decomposed

Re: [Shale] getting my first dialog to work with Shale/MyFaces

2006-01-07 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 1/7/06, Rahul Akolkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] * A self transition for a view state should be possible (its definitely legit in state chart theory, Shale dialogs being state charts for a specific purpose). Self-transitions for a view state are definitely legal, but there's an

Re: Advice for Struts expert wanting to try Shale?

2006-01-07 Thread Craig McClanahan
Just a couple of comments intermixed below. On 1/7/06, Alexandre Poitras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok can we all ignore the troll and go back to the original subject... Like Craig pointed out Rick, I think you should play around with JSF first and then Shale. The IBM serie Cleared FUD about

Re: [Shale] getting my first dialog to work with Shale/MyFaces

2006-01-07 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On 1/8/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/7/06, Rahul Akolkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] * A self transition for a view state should be possible (its definitely legit in state chart theory, Shale dialogs being state charts for a specific purpose).