Re: drop of score after update tonight

2014-08-26 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Ian http://pastebin.com/dsqaVA9Z On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:50:20 +, David Jones djo...@ena.com wrote: David This hit DCC_CHECK, BAYES_50, CRM114, BOGOFILTER and KAM_EU rules David and would have been blocked on my SA 3.4.0 servers. On 25.08.14 15:02, Ian Zimmerman wrote: Isn't it a bit odd

Re: drop of score after update tonight

2014-08-26 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 25.08.14 19:06, Reindl Harald wrote: you misunderstood me - whatever i did before and how the config looks like is not the problem - i was alerted by the dramatic change after sa-update last night wwith no other changes Scores usually drop when many FPs appear. When some scores lower,

Re: drop of score after update tonight

2014-08-26 Thread Matthias Leisi
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Aug 26 00:01:32 mail-gw spamd[6836]: spamd: result: Y 5 -

Re: drop of score after update tonight

2014-08-26 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:10:23 +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk wrote: Ian Isn't it a bit odd that SA has rules for all these other Bayes Ian powered backends? Why not give a bit more weight to its own Bayes Ian instead, rather than make users forage for other tools that do Ian

Re: drop of score after update tonight

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.08.2014 um 08:54 schrieb Matthias Leisi: On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Aug 26 00:01:32 mail-gw spamd[6836]: spamd: result: Y 5 -

Re: drop of score after update tonight

2014-08-26 Thread Christian Laußat
Am 26.08.2014 09:30, schrieb Ian Zimmerman: Apparently not. So, I have to rephrase: Isn't it a bit odd to use these external rules? :) No, I don't think that its odd to use other statistical filters than the SA Bayes. CRM114 uses a completely different algorithem, building statistics not

Re: drop of score after update tonight

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
found it - look at the bottom the other thread where i try to find out why spam messages don't get [SPAM] in the subject (still unsolved) turned out that sa-update obviously changed the permissions of the folder updates_spamassassin_org to 750 instead 755 after fixing that it is again above 7

Re: drop of score after update tonight

2014-08-26 Thread Matthias Leisi
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: ADVANCE_FEE_4_NEW,ADVANCE_FEE_4_NEW_MONEY,ADVANCE_FEE_5_NEW,ADVANCE_FEE_5_NEW_MONEY,ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_99,BAYES_999,DEAR_SOMETHING,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FREEMAIL_FROM,LOTS_OF_MONEY,T_MONEY_PERCENT,URG_BIZ

Re: drop of score after update tonight

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.08.2014 um 10:52 schrieb Matthias Leisi: On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

Re: drop of score after update tonight

2014-08-26 Thread Axb
On 08/26/2014 11:23 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: i am at building the new MTA which will replace a commercial spamfilter appliance and currently i am at training byes and building admin backends * postscreen with RBL/DNSWL weight * PTR filters * subject filters * attachemnt extensions * ClamAV

Re: drop of score after update tonight

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.08.2014 um 11:30 schrieb Axb: On 08/26/2014 11:23 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: i am at building the new MTA which will replace a commercial spamfilter appliance and currently i am at training byes and building admin backends * postscreen with RBL/DNSWL weight * PTR filters * subject

writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Hi i am tyring to write own RBL rules for blacklisting and especially whitelisting using internal DNSBL/DNSWL but my first try results in warnings at startup sadly the Wiki don't refer to check_rbl() https://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/WritingRules ifplugin Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::DNSEval

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Joe Quinn
On 8/26/2014 8:04 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Hi i am tyring to write own RBL rules for blacklisting and especially whitelisting using internal DNSBL/DNSWL but my first try results in warnings at startup sadly the Wiki don't refer to check_rbl() https://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/WritingRules

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.08.2014 um 14:25 schrieb Joe Quinn: On 8/26/2014 8:04 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: i am tyring to write own RBL rules for blacklisting and especially whitelisting using internal DNSBL/DNSWL but my first try results in warnings at startup sadly the Wiki don't refer to check_rbl()

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Axb
On 08/26/2014 03:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 26.08.2014 um 14:25 schrieb Joe Quinn: On 8/26/2014 8:04 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: i am tyring to write own RBL rules for blacklisting and especially whitelisting using internal DNSBL/DNSWL but my first try results in warnings at startup sadly

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.08.2014 um 15:54 schrieb Axb: On 08/26/2014 03:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 26.08.2014 um 14:25 schrieb Joe Quinn: On 8/26/2014 8:04 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: sadly the Wiki don't refer to check_rbl() https://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/WritingRules You can use KAM.cf for

RE: drop of score after update tonight

2014-08-26 Thread David Jones
From: Ian Zimmerman i...@buug.org Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 5:02 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: drop of score after update tonight On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:50:20 +, David Jones djo...@ena.com wrote: Ian I definitely have

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Axb
On 08/26/2014 04:28 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 26.08.2014 um 15:54 schrieb Axb: On 08/26/2014 03:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 26.08.2014 um 14:25 schrieb Joe Quinn: On 8/26/2014 8:04 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: sadly the Wiki don't refer to check_rbl()

Prevent DNSBL URI matches, without affecting regex URI rules?

2014-08-26 Thread Kris Deugau
Is there a way to prevent a URI from being looked up in DNSBLs, without *also* preventing that URI from matching on uri regex rules? I would like to add quite a few popular URL shorteners to uridnsbl_skip_domain, but then I can't match those domains in uri regex rules for feeding x and URL

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Axb
On 08/26/2014 05:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 26.08.2014 um 17:18 schrieb Axb: On 08/26/2014 04:28 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: header RCVD_IN_RP_TLDNS1 eval:check_rbl('tldns1-lastexternal', 'dnswl.thelounge.net.') describe RCVD_IN_RP_TLDNS1 Custom DNSBL/DNSWL tflags RCVD_IN_RP_TLDNS1 net

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.08.2014 um 17:18 schrieb Axb: On 08/26/2014 04:28 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: header RCVD_IN_RP_TLDNS1 eval:check_rbl('tldns1-lastexternal', 'dnswl.thelounge.net.') describe RCVD_IN_RP_TLDNS1 Custom DNSBL/DNSWL tflags RCVD_IN_RP_TLDNS1 net scoreRCVD_IN_RP_TLDNS1 -5 spamd:

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.08.2014 um 17:30 schrieb Axb: On 08/26/2014 05:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 26.08.2014 um 17:18 schrieb Axb: On 08/26/2014 04:28 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: header RCVD_IN_RP_TLDNS1 eval:check_rbl('tldns1-lastexternal', 'dnswl.thelounge.net.') describe RCVD_IN_RP_TLDNS1 Custom

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Axb
On 08/26/2014 05:42 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: they are*not* i sepecially added the following lines to prevent the automatic adding to trusted_networks since the IP range is outside clear_trusted_networks trusted_networks 192.168.168.0/24 there was no trust at all in the headers and no hint why

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.08.2014 um 18:11 schrieb Axb: On 08/26/2014 05:42 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: they are *not* i sepecially added the following lines to prevent the automatic adding to trusted_networks since the IP range is outside clear_trusted_networks trusted_networks 192.168.168.0/24 there was no

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Axb
On 08/26/2014 08:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 26.08.2014 um 18:11 schrieb Axb: On 08/26/2014 05:42 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: they are *not* i sepecially added the following lines to prevent the automatic adding to trusted_networks since the IP range is outside clear_trusted_networks

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.08.2014 um 20:29 schrieb Axb: On 08/26/2014 08:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 26.08.2014 um 18:11 schrieb Axb: On 08/26/2014 05:42 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: they are *not* i sepecially added the following lines to prevent the automatic adding to trusted_networks since the IP range is

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Tue, 2014-08-26 at 20:08 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 26.08.2014 um 18:11 schrieb Axb: On 08/26/2014 05:42 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: they are *not* i sepecially added the following lines to prevent the automatic adding to trusted_networks since the IP range is outside

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread John Wilcock
Le 26/08/2014 21:03, Reindl Harald a écrit : i just don't know how to do that with the setup and mailflow by just start spamassassin -D dns which runs the process but how to get the mail there? You need a copy of the message as a text file on your SA machine, then you simply run, from the

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.08.2014 um 21:08 schrieb Martin Gregorie: On Tue, 2014-08-26 at 20:08 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 26.08.2014 um 18:11 schrieb Axb: On 08/26/2014 05:42 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: they are *not* i sepecially added the following lines to prevent the automatic adding to trusted_networks

Re: Prevent DNSBL URI matches, without affecting regex URI rules?

2014-08-26 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Tue, 2014-08-26 at 11:22 -0400, Kris Deugau wrote: Is there a way to prevent a URI from being looked up in DNSBLs, without *also* preventing that URI from matching on uri regex rules? I would like to add quite a few popular URL shorteners to uridnsbl_skip_domain, but then I can't match

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Tue, 2014-08-26 at 21:25 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 26.08.2014 um 21:08 schrieb Martin Gregorie: Under the same directory as spamass-milter run: spamc -your_normal_spamc_options message_to_be_tested are we really talking about the same? that won't involve the network Of course

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Matthias Leisi
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: spamc -your_normal_spamc_options message_to_be_tested are we really talking about the same? that won't involve the network You need a full message, include any Received: etc headers, as it would appear on your MTA

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.08.2014 um 22:23 schrieb Matthias Leisi: On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: spamc -your_normal_spamc_options message_to_be_tested are we really talking about the same? that won't involve the network You need a full message, include any

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 01:08 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: below the stdout/sterr of following script filtered for dns so the lists are asked, but the question remains why that don't happen from a IP in the same network Nope, no RBL queries. See below. in the meantime there are a lot of

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 27.08.2014 um 02:24 schrieb Karsten Bräckelmann: On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 01:08 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: below the stdout/sterr of following script filtered for dns so the lists are asked, but the question remains why that don't happen from a IP in the same network Nope, no RBL

Re: writing own rbl rules

2014-08-26 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 03:01 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: If it's internal, it's internal. There is a reason you are setting up lastexternal DNSxL rules. the intention is to handle the internal IP like it would be external Again: Craft your samples to match real-life (production)