RE: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-19 Thread Berneburg, Cris J. - US
Chris cjb> large bureaucracy [...] I would not be cjb> surprised if there is a policy against dev kits and IDE's on cjb> production servers for security sake. Tomcat (whisper: with built-in cjb> compiler) is approved, but is the JDK allowed? Guess I can ask. cjb> Yeah, it's potentially a

RE: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-19 Thread Berneburg, Cris J. - US
Hey Chris cjb> RAMBLE: Too bad there can't be an Apache OpenJRE umbrella project, cjb> with specific Apache OpenJRE [version X] sub-projects, that maintain cjb> JRE [version X]'s indefinitely. One source (Apache) for all the cjb> different JRE's for the Java community at large, rather than

RE: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-19 Thread Berneburg, Cris J. - US
Thanks Igal is> p.s. So happy to see that you finally moved from Tomcat 6 to 8.5. is> Perhaps you can share that experience in a separate thread and let is> others know if you ran into any major problems during that process. Will do. So far we've only run into 3 minor issues. -- Cris Berneburg

Re: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-18 Thread Johan Compagner
> > > > There is no jre at all any more also from openjdk > > There is little difference between a JRE and a JDK. One just comes > with a compiler. > not really, until java 10 we had also desktop integration like java -jar assignments and jnlp association for starting a webstart application so

Re: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-18 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Cris, On 10/17/18 12:28, Berneburg, Cris J. - US wrote: > Thanks Mark > > mt> The argument for a JRE vs a JDK is that the JDK includes mt> a > compiler. The only reason Tomcat can run on a JRE and mt> still > support JSPs (which require

Re: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-18 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Cris, On 10/17/18 12:43, Berneburg, Cris J. - US wrote: > Thanks Igal > > mt> OpenJDK is very close to the Oracle JDK these days. I regularly > run mt> Tomcat's unit tests with the latest OpenJDK and have yet to > find an mt> issue that is OpenJDK

Re: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-18 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Johan, On 10/15/18 17:04, Johan Compagner wrote: > Op ma 15 okt. 2018 20:37 schreef Mark Thomas : > >> >> >> I'd be more concerned that Oracle are starting to charge for >> production usage. That alone would be enough for me to switch to >>

Re: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-17 Thread Johan Compagner
Op wo 17 okt. 2018 18:29 schreef Berneburg, Cris J. - US < cberneb...@caci.com>: > > > RAMBLE: However, if I try to look at it from a point of view of a large > bureaucracy, of which I am largely ignorant, I would not be surprised if > there is a policy against dev kits and IDE's on production

Re: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-17 Thread Igal Sapir
Cris, On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Berneburg, Cris J. - US wrote: > Thanks Mark > > mt> The argument for a JRE vs a JDK is that the JDK includes > mt> a compiler. The only reason Tomcat can run on a JRE and > mt> still support JSPs (which require compilation) is that > mt> Tomcat includes a

RE: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-17 Thread Berneburg, Cris J. - US
Thanks Igal mt> OpenJDK is very close to the Oracle JDK these days. I regularly run mt> Tomcat's unit tests with the latest OpenJDK and have yet to find an mt> issue that is OpenJDK specific. is> I asked Gil Tene about this a couple of weeks ago. Gil is a co- is> founder of Azul Systems, an

RE: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-17 Thread Berneburg, Cris J. - US
Thanks Mark mt> The argument for a JRE vs a JDK is that the JDK includes mt> a compiler. The only reason Tomcat can run on a JRE and mt> still support JSPs (which require compilation) is that mt> Tomcat includes a Java compiler. I don't think the mt> security argument holds much water. I had not

Re: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-15 Thread Igal Sapir
On 10/15/2018 11:37 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: On 15/10/18 18:53, Berneburg, Cris J. - US wrote: Hi Folks What has anyone been thinking about the upcoming Oracle Java 11 release / support stuff? Frankly, I'm confused by it all and am still trying to wrap my brain around it. I have concerns

Re: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-15 Thread Johan Compagner
Op ma 15 okt. 2018 20:37 schreef Mark Thomas : > > > I'd be more concerned that Oracle are starting to charge for production > usage. That alone would be enough for me to switch to OpenJDK. > Isnt that already the case? You can't download any installer of java 11 from Oracle that can be used in

Re: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-15 Thread Mark Thomas
On 15/10/18 18:53, Berneburg, Cris J. - US wrote: > Hi Folks > > What has anyone been thinking about the upcoming Oracle Java 11 release / > support stuff? Frankly, I'm confused by it all and am still trying to wrap > my brain around it. I have concerns about the potential implications for

RE: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-15 Thread Tony Esposito
: Monday, October 15, 2018 12:53 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: [OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion? Hi Folks What has anyone been thinking about the upcoming Oracle Java 11 release / support stuff? Frankly, I'm confused by it all and am still trying to wrap my brain around it. I have concerns

[OT] Oracle Java 11 discussion?

2018-10-15 Thread Berneburg, Cris J. - US
Hi Folks What has anyone been thinking about the upcoming Oracle Java 11 release / support stuff? Frankly, I'm confused by it all and am still trying to wrap my brain around it. I have concerns about the potential implications for my little project, and also wonder about Tomcat at large.