[USMA:18887] Re: our metrication discussion

2002-03-19 Thread CarletonM
In a message dated 2002-03-19 00:49:58 Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is totally ridiculous. The tone of such messages is not acceptable on this list. If you want to go on that way you have better to quit the list. For sure your messages do not not contribute at all to

[USMA:18888] Re: Crummy Canadian labeling

2002-03-19 Thread Stephen C. Gallagher
It may have been Canadian beer, but where did you get it? Beer that is marketed and sold in Canada for the Canadian market is labelled in millilitres. If it only contains ifp, then it was probably made for the US market, even if it was manufactured in Canada. Stephen Gallagher - Original

[USMA:18889] RE: Autodesk

2002-03-19 Thread metric
...through the addition of U.S. metric content based on General Services Administration (GSA) guidelines for professional rounding of unit measurements How does 'US metric' differ from the plain old metric that everybody else uses? On the other hand, perhaps it might be a good thing to

[USMA:18890] Re: Metric shortened names

2002-03-19 Thread metric
I also thought of 'mil' as used in NATO for angles. There are 64000 in a circle. I think there are only 6400 military mils in a circle. In artillery, knowing the range to a target in kilometres and the error in metres from where the shells are landing to the target. You are almost

[USMA:18891] Re: Metric shortened names - mil

2002-03-19 Thread Carter, Baron
mil a unit of angle measure, used in the military for artillery settings. During World War II the U.S. Army often used a mil equal to 1/1000 of a right angle, 0.1 grad, 0.09°, or 5.4 arcminutes (often written 5.4 moa). More recently, various NATO armies have used a mil equal to 1/1600 right

[USMA:18892] Re: Computers and SI

2002-03-19 Thread James R. Frysinger
Louis JOURDAN wrote: At 20:13 +1100 02/03/18, Pat Naughtin wrote: To be metric literate and to use any modern computer system is bordering on nightmare status. I feel that I have to fight the computer for every metric thing that I do. But why do you persist in using purely

[USMA:18893] RE: Autodesk

2002-03-19 Thread Nat Hager III
My reason for posting is that understand Autodesk (AutoCad) is pretty much a de-facto standard in the engineering and design industry, and if it's becoming more metric-friendly I would assume it's in response to customer demand. That would seem like a good sign. Nat ...through the addition

[USMA:18895] Re: Terry's Most Excellent Point!! (was: Metric RFP)

2002-03-19 Thread Jim Elwell
At 06:47 PM 3 March 2002 -0500, kilopascal wrote: I mentioned on numerous occasions what I do. If you weren't paying attention, that is your tuff luck! Now go drink your beer I'm afraid it is not my tuff luck, but rather it is yours. Your avoiding the question serves only to further undermine

[USMA:18896] Re: My stand for the Q Was:Re: Re: Short unit names

2002-03-19 Thread Duncan Bath
-Original Message- From: Louis JOURDAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: March 19, 2002 01:00 Subject: [USMA:18885] Re: My stand for the Q Was:Re: Re: Short unit names At 9:28 +0100 02/03/18, Han Maenen wrote: Alas, for the medical sector the mmHg

[USMA:18897] Re: Crummy Canadian labeling

2002-03-19 Thread Jim Elwell
At 06:47 AM 3 March 2002 -0500, Stephen C. Gallagher wrote: It may have been Canadian beer, but where did you get it? Beer that is marketed and sold in Canada for the Canadian market is labelled in millilitres. If it only contains ifp, then it was probably made for the US market, even if it was

[USMA:18898] Re: Computers and SI

2002-03-19 Thread Nat Hager III
I don't have too much of a problem. My standard Windows installation procedure, in addition to deleting desktop clutter and the MSN icon, is to go into Control-Panel|Regional-Options, and check Numbers|Metric, Time|24h, and Date|-MM-dd. Everything except a few rogue programs then defaults to

[USMA:18899] Short unit names

2002-03-19 Thread M R
Pat Naughtin wrote I have never heard of an abbreviation for centimetres. Just like km is for kilometer, cm is for centimeter. I believe abbreviations are used worldwide. Thats 1 of the advantages of SI. Madan Dear Jim and All, Building workers in Australia refer to 'mils' for millimetres

[USMA:18904] RE: Short unit names

2002-03-19 Thread Bill Potts
Madan: Although km and cm may be called abbreviations from a purely linguistic point of view, in SI they are called symbols (with these two being prefixed symbols). In any case, though, the purpose of the short unit names under discussion is to make their pronunciation shorter (as in liter

[USMA:18907] Re: our metrication discussion

2002-03-19 Thread Stephen Davis
Thanks, Jim. It's a pity that some of your colleagues on the list seemed to develop a major sense of humour failure. Admittedly, it was rather juvenile and went on for far longer than it should have, but sometimes when the opportunity presents itself, I find it difficult to resist.

[USMA:18909] Re: Mega Giga : Origins

2002-03-19 Thread Joseph B. Reid
Madan asked in USMA 18900; Anyone has an idea of the origins of the words like mega, giga, micro, nano, etc. I dont think the Romans used these terms in their days. Quite right, the Romans certainly did not use these terms. Deci, centi, milli, micro nano, and pico come from Latin. Femto

[USMA:18908] Re: Crummy Canadian labeling

2002-03-19 Thread Joseph B. Reid
Jim Elwell remarked in USMA 18897 regarding Molson's Canadian beer: It was purchased in Salt Lake City. No doubt it was made for the US market: it has 3.2 w/w on the bottom, indicating 3.2% alcohol by weight, which is the maximum alcohol content that can be sold in grocery stores in Utah. It

[USMA:18910] Response that irked me

2002-03-19 Thread John Woelflein
Below is the response I received when I emailed "Project Bread" who has a "Walk for Hunger" every year in Boston. I asked why couldn't they switch to kilometres and do a 30 km walk instead of a 20 mi walk, and they would get more money for less distance. The URL is www.projectbread.org in case

[USMA:18911] Re: Euro Driving License

2002-03-19 Thread Bill Potts
I suspect there's a good reason to leave out your height (while still retaining it in the passport database). It makes it harder for people to use stolen passports. They can alter their appearance (to some extent), but then be caught on the basis of a discrepancy in height. Bill Potts, CMS

[USMA:18912] Re: Mega Giga : Origins

2002-03-19 Thread Bill Potts
To be more specific on femto and atto, the Danish words from which they are derived are femten (fifteen) and atten (eighteen). Bill Potts, CMS Roseville, CA http://metric1.org [SI Navigator] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joseph B. Reid

[USMA:18914] Re: My stand for the Q Was:Re: Re: Short unitnames

2002-03-19 Thread Louis JOURDAN
At 10:08 -0500 02/03/19, Duncan Bath wrote: May be our body is not SI designed ? Well, it does have 10 fingers! Duncan Good point. Shame to me ! Louis

[USMA:18916] Re: Euro Driving License

2002-03-19 Thread metric
In short, EU = the political aspects, EC the technical ones. BTW, our passports bear the mention European Community. I renewed my passport a couple of weeks ago. The old one said European Community, whereas the new one says European Union. The old one also had my height as 174 cm, the new one

[USMA:18917] Re: Metric shortened names

2002-03-19 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Jim, I would add: micron - micrometre kilo - kilogram kilo - kilometre meg ­ megalitre Cheers, Pat Naughtin on 2002/03/19 02.19, Jim Elwell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far I know of: klickkilometer (or km/h?) kaykilometer milmillimeter pufpicofarad (pF) amp

[USMA:18918] RE: Metric RFP

2002-03-19 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Terry and All, on 2002/03/19 05.09, Terry Simpson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thought from my 'Rules of Thumb' might be useful. Reading: ­ Reading is easy for most people if the letters are 5 millimetres high at a distance of 500 millimetres; from this we get a ratio of 1:100,

[USMA:18920] Re: typographic units

2002-03-19 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Han, on 2002/03/19 07.43, Han Maenen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copied from the USMA site Metric Typographic Units snip *Absolutely everything is measured and specified in millimeters.* No more points, picas, ciceros, inches, etc. and all their awful conversion factors.

[USMA:18922] Re: Mega Giga : Origins

2002-03-19 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Madan and All on 2002/03/20 03.25, M R at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone has an idea of the origins of the words like mega, giga, micro, nano, etc. This is my list. Origins of the prefix names PrefixSymbolOrigin of prefix yottaYyotta is derived from the Greek word

[USMA:18921] Re: My stand for the Q Was:Re: Re: Short unitnames

2002-03-19 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Louis, Doctors and other medical workers in Australia (sadly) use millimetres of mercury for blood pressure. Your typical figure of 13 - 8 would be written as 130/80 and read as 130 over 80. One problem with this use of a unit as a jargon is that the pressures cannot be easily compared

[USMA:18919] Re: Computers and SI

2002-03-19 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Louis, Thanks for your suggestion. I would really like to do as you suggest. Unfortunately I am tied in to the Microsoft circuit because of the people with whom I share documents. Thanks anyway. Pat Naughtin Geelong, Australia on 2002/03/19 02.14, Louis JOURDAN at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[USMA:18923] Re: Mega Giga : Origins

2002-03-19 Thread Bill Potts
Pat: You're using typographical quotes again -- and they're coming through as OE diphthong for the opening quote and 1 prime for the closing quote. Are you composing in Word? If so, you need to turn off the option to automatically convert symmetrical quotes to typographical quotes. Bill Potts,

[USMA:18924] Re: My stand for the Q Was:Re: Re: Short unitnames

2002-03-19 Thread James R. Frysinger
Pat Naughtin wrote: One problem with this use of a unit as a jargon is that the pressures cannot be easily compared with other pressure measures; for example is the pressure in your car tyres higher or lower than your blood pressure. Here's a poser for you. Is your blood pressure

[USMA:18925] Re: Mega Giga : Origins

2002-03-19 Thread CarletonM
In a message dated 2002-03-19 15:01:10 Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Deci, centi, milli, micro nano, and pico come from Latin. Femto and atto come from Danish. Deka, hecto, kilo, mega, giga, tera, and exa come from Greek. I have not been able to find the etymology of yotta,

[USMA:18926] Re: My stand for the Q Was:Re: Re: Short unitnames

2002-03-19 Thread kilopascal
2002-03-19 Just a guess, but I would say it is greater. Even though atmospheric pressure is 760 mmHg, the 130/80 mmHg is relative to the 760 mm. It is 130/80 greater that 760 mm. It is what is known as gage pressure, not absolute. If it were an absolute pressure, it would be 890/840 mmHg.

[USMA:18927] Re: My stand for the Q Was:Re: Re: Shortunitnames

2002-03-19 Thread Louis JOURDAN
At 23:26 -0500 02/03/19, kilopascal wrote: 2002-03-19 Just a guess, but I would say it is greater. Even though atmospheric pressure is 760 mmHg, the 130/80 mmHg is relative to the 760 mm. It is 130/80 greater that 760 mm. It is what is known as gage pressure, not absolute. If it were an