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From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 3:45 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
Normally
vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 3:40 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
For pipi runs, it isn't explicit in the manuscript, but what about the
last variation of the Sanz Folias? There are passages with runs on the
4th and 5th courses -- to play them with thumb
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
That may be the case with the lute - but it is not true that the thumb has
an entirely separate function from the fingers on the guitar.
Campanellas
are the obvious example but it goes much further than that. I don't want
to
get endlessly involved
it perfectly - but I would like to hear him do it.
As ever
Monica
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From: [1]Martyn Hodgson
To: [2]Monica Hall
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
Dear Monica,
Your observations below
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
I have looked at the examples. It is true that melodies are spread over
'high' and 'low' courses (5 4 vs 1,2 3). That is different from the
lute, but something similar also occurs on the theorbo.
Well - exactly - and Bartolotti was a theorbo player
Normally the fingers and the thumb stay in their own domain, on lower and
higher courses. Also on the guitar.
I don't think so. Certainly not in guitar music. Use of alternating
finger and thumb over different courses is a feature of the music in
Bartolotti's first book and elsewhere.
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From: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
I have to take issue with the idea that thumb-out will tend toward an
upward stroke (if I understand what you mean by thumb-out). Indeed,
I've always played thumb-out, coming to Baroque guitar from the
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From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
To: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com; vl
vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
- Original Message - From: Chris
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
It is often assumed that after c 1600 most lutenists played thumb out,
because of the separated functions of thumb and fingers in most of the
music (the thumb playing the bass). I don't think that iconography from
the 17th century shows many thumb
Given that the bourdon in any case will
be slightly higher the the treble string as it is thicker it is not
difficult to give it prominence where necessary. A plain gut
bourdon on the
fifth is so thick that it is hard to miss!
Ed Durbrow
That may seem so, but making use
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
Given that the bourdon in any case will
be slightly higher the the treble string as it is thicker it is not
difficult to give it prominence where necessary. A plain gut
bourdon on the
fifth is so thick that it is hard to miss!
Ed
: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp
To: vl vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:20 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
So what do the guitars with original bridges with holes show? Are the
holes even at their tops, centers, bottoms or not even at all?
On Nov
To those who have bourdons and slots, perhaps you could (at a convenient
time) tie your high octaves with a double loop and try for some weeks. It
would be interesting to hear what you think.
Lex
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of having holes? I assume that both you gentlemen
have slots.
Monica
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From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:02 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
To those who have bourdons
I referred my question to the collective wisdom of the
www.earlyguitar.ning.com and two people replied - one a distinguished
maker - and both suggested that the slots were to enable you to adjust the
spaces between the two strings of a course and also to some extent between
courses. The maker
This invites the question when these Italian guitars were made (and if the
bridges were original).
Most Italian guitars I have seen are from a rather early date.
How early? And did they have slots or holes?
Monica
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Most Italian guitars I have seen are from a rather early date.
How early? And did they have slots or holes?
The problem is that I have not made any notes. I don't think I have seen
many slots. I remenber I saw several Sellases, and other Italian guitars in
Paris, mostly built before 1640.
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
The problem is that I have not made any notes. I don't think I have seen
many slots. I remenber I saw several Sellases, and other Italian guitars
in Paris, mostly built before 1640. But also in other musea.
It would be very helpful to have a catalogue.
Lex
Or, in my case, Carpe carpio!
Eugene
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Monica Hall
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:07 AM
To: Eugene C. Braig IV
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
So what do the guitars with original bridges with holes show? Are the
holes even at their tops, centers, bottoms or not even at all?
On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:44 PM, Monica Hall wrote:
Given that the bourdon in any case will
be slightly higher the the treble string as it is
wrote:
From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu, Martyn Hodgson
hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 9:41
Eh, I'll try.
If you make a normal loop and keep some 10 cms extra
a little without having to bore holes...
Monica
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From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu; Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:41 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
Eh, I'll try.
If you make
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From: Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu
To: 'Monica Hall' mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
-Original Message-
From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, November
Of course, it'll make plucking just the high octave a bit trickier if
playing close(ish) to the bridge but, conversely, will make playing
just the bass of the pair a bit easier...
Even a whole lot,
Lex
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Of course, it'll make plucking just the high octave a bit trickier if
playing close(ish) to the bridge but, conversely, will make playing
just the bass of the pair a bit easier...
or actually not 'just' the bass, but it will be really easier to give more
emphasis on the lower string
From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 14:10
Hmmm .. we agree that it makes plucking just the lower of the octave
pair easier if one wishes
instrument.
regards
Martyn
--- On Tue, 29/11/11, Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl wrote:
From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu, Martyn Hodgson
hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Tuesday, 29 November
Hmmm .. we agree that it makes plucking just the lower of the
octave
pair easier if one wishes to do this (eg possibly in scalic passages
from the third to the 4th course),
...and of course in polyphony (or, as some say in Britain,
counterpoint).
But it makes
Dear Monica,
As far as I can see, the evidence from extant instruments seems to be
that slotted bridges were often employed in the 17th century,
especially by French makers; Italian makers seemingly preferring a
bridge with individual string holes (tho' there are exceptions).
.
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From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:43 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
Dear Monica,
As far as I can see, the evidence from extant instruments seems to be
that slotted bridges were often
with measurements and details of changes made to them but I
suppose that is asking for rather a lot.
Regards
Monica
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From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:43 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar
Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:06 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
My cutouts are v-shaped on both sides of the bridge, so there is almost
the same gluing surface as a solid lute-type bridge with holes. Dan's
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
Dear Martin
That is very helpful and very interesting especially what you say about
them
improving the bass response. I don't know much about how guitars were
constructed and it seems difficult to get detailed and accurate
information
about them
: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
Dear Martin
That is very helpful and very interesting especially what you say about
them
improving the bass response. I don't know much about how guitars were
constructed and it seems difficult to get detailed and accurate
information
about them and in particular
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From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:32 AM
To: Eugene C. Braig IV
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
Exactly - now who will volunteer to write it.
I would love to... if it weren't
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From: Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu
To: 'Monica Hall' mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: 'Vihuelalist' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:32 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
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From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh
Sounds like a plan. ...If I can convince you to coauthor!
Eugene
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From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 11:06 AM
To: Eugene C. Braig IV
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
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One explanation has been that slotted bridges allow more adjustment of
string height at the bridge but, in my experience, there is no very
significant difference whether tied from the top or bottom of the slot
since static forces will always tend to pull the point where the string
My Strad model guitar has triangular cut-outs for strings, with the
points going down to the soundboard. I understand that the museum
original has this style bridge, though it is not thought to be the
original bridge.
Personally, I have not been very keen on this style -- I would prefer
PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
My Strad model guitar has triangular cut-outs for strings, with the
points going down to the soundboard. I understand that the museum
original has this style bridge, though it is not thought to be the
original bridge.
Personally, I have not been very keen
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From: Monica Hall [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:14:40 +
To: Vihuelalist [3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
Thank you very much
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To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:14 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
My Strad model guitar has triangular cut-outs for strings, with the
points going down
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