2010/1/16, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net:
I sent one post which hasn't shown up yet... Perhaps its awaiting Bills
scrutiny before allowing it
thru. It had a JPEG attachment
This is because posts above 40 KB total size are not allowed on this
Eskimo hosted list, which is one of several
Thanks Michel!
I'll repost with a link or smaller pic...
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Michel Jullian [mailto:michelj...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 2:48 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Back EMF: Sean may be right
2010/1/16, Mark Iverson
If you armchair skeptics spent as much time reading the Steorn forum or
Overunity.com, as guessing
and speculating and accusing here, you just might have a different opinion.
Sean is responding to
questions on the Steorn Forum, and many guys on the Steorn thread on
Overunity.com are making
Attached is a graph that JLNaudin has done...
Forgot to edit that out... The graph is on JLN's webpage.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm
-Mark
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From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:18 AM
To:
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
This is ANOTHER key element WHICH Sean HAS ALSO MENTIONED, to quote him,
...and by very careful and
specific positioning of the coils... But then, you guys wouldn't know
that since you prefer to
spend your valuable
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
If you armchair skeptics spent as much time reading the Steorn forum or
Overunity.com,
I read and post on both plus the VofB. I read all posst here and if
YOU kept up you would know that we have discussed how
Yes, Terry, there has been a little discussion on inductance... BillB back on
12/30 or 12/31 goes
into great detail of what his understanding is.
I don't believe any one here criticising Steorn and calling them scammers has
made an attempt to
replicate their device... Correct me if I'm wrong.
I am relaxed, Mr. Iverson; but, Steorn's claims of OU are unjustified.
He has not quantified the output energy in any way, form nor
fashion. I have been working with saturated cores since 2006 and have
a full understanding of what Steorn is doing. I do certainly hope
that he has found
Some recent comments in the inductance thread in the Steorn forum
Harry
--
So
to be clear, put 1J of electrical energy into the system, you get 1J
(well a bit more in fact) of heat output and 2J of work done by the
rotor. So in 1, out 3.
This is, without a doubt,
the most interesting
Now Yahoo is involved more deeply in the issue. See:http://www.benzinga.com/general/89800/alibaba-blasts-yahoo-s-support-of-googlehttp://tinyurl.com/ylla85c"Yahoo Inc. (Nasdaq: YHOO) received a stinging rebuke when Alibaba, the Chinese e-commerce company that Yahoo holds a 39% stake in, turned
Terry,
He has laid out the plan of how this will be done. He has said that input and
output energy
measurements will be done, and very soon. Just because he doesn't do them as
fast and you'd like
means nothing. Get a beer and go read some other forum until next week and
you'll have your
Esa:
RE: the Rick Friedrich / Sean McC exchange...
I watched a few of Rick's YT videos and his device is NOTHING like Steorn's.
The ones I saw used
simple solenoidal coils and not positioned symmetrically. Yes, he was lighting
some LEDs and
claiming to be charging a battery, but there were
From Terry:
I am relaxed, Mr. Iverson; but, Steorn's claims of OU are unjustified.
He has not quantified the output energy in any way, form nor
fashion. I have been working with saturated cores since 2006 and have
a full understanding of what Steorn is doing. I do certainly hope
that he
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010, Mark Iverson wrote:
If you armchair skeptics spent as much time reading the Steorn forum or
I would have said the same thing about Joe Newman, and about the MRA
device in 1995. And about the SMOT device a couple years later. And the
Russian water vortex heater. And
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010, Harry Veeder wrote:
time with possibly self-deceiving measurements. Since your net output
power is apparently so large, GO AND CLOSE THE LOOP. You haven't bothered
to try closing the loop? Then you're just fooling yourself. Please shut
up and stop bothering everyone.
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010, Mark Iverson wrote:
Thanks Michel!
I'll repost with a link or smaller pic...
I just upped the limit to 60K. I notice that some members' headers
have grown to about 10K of text!
(( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) )))
William J. Beaty
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010, Mark Iverson wrote:
If you armchair skeptics spent as much time reading the Steorn forum or
Overunity.com, as guessing and speculating and accusing here, you just
might have a different opinion.
Part of my bad opinion comes from Steorn keeping everything secret, yet
On 01/16/2010 08:38 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Steorn: Ok there is a whole load of things mixed up here. If we take
a classical view of any system, there are no losses or gains, just
changes in forms of energy. So your comment that the diode increases
losses is just not true - it changes
You forgot to include mechanical E...
In Harry Veeder's recent post, Sean (Steorn) is quoted as saying,
...to be clear, as the rotor speeds up the mechanical power increases, the
electrical power remains
the same and the power to heat remains the same.
So, does that mean that below some RPM
Until the orbo is patented they will have to keep some aspects a secret.
Then again the patent pending status may just be part of an elborate FE shell
gamethey are playing...
Harry
- Original Message
From: William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat,
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010, Mark Iverson wrote:
I don't believe any one here criticising Steorn and calling them
scammers has made an attempt to replicate their device... Correct me if
I'm wrong.
What is the website link for complete Orbo details?
Just sit back and relax, and watch and read, and
perpendicular IS at a right angle
I would think that the arranged grid basically sets up channels that
the electrons flow through. by locking into step the valence
electrons, it would be like making a water current or jet stream,
you've removed drag.
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Mark
When the hell did Steorn ever say they are open-sourcing it! Geez! They have
investors and this is
a commercial venture... Evil capitalists! Gimme a break...
FYI, the design of the unit is so simple, and replicators have been able to
deduce most of the key
elements of the device, including
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010, Mark Iverson wrote:
There are MANY things that Steorn is doing that is quite different from
scammers:
1) They SPECIFICALLY laid out EXACTLY how they were going to proceed to
demonstrate their technology
2) They have followed that plan, with one minor delay due to very bad
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:26 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Pardon the intrusion.
Terry, could you give more details as to what you believe are the kinds of
specific energy balance calculations that remain lacking from Steorn's last
two demonstrations -
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:25 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote:
Scammers aren't visible because of what they do. If they were, then anyone
could see a con game for what it was. Scammers only become obvious in
what's missing: those things honest people do, but things scammers avoid
Since Bill is not objecting to cross-posting, I found this one quite
interesting:
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=62495page=3#Item_16
Steorn 1 day ago quote
littlehaste:
The battery is being charged in the demo units.
Only since you brought it up: could you say the charge
iPoni sent dis message. Esa Ruoho wrote it.
On 17 Jan 2010, at 05:40, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote:
Just sit back and relax, and watch and read, and in a very short
time we'll see how well the device and explanations hold up to what
they are claiming...
The short time began,
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