The cigarette box sized reactor core is the one used in the home ECAT that
produces 10 kW at around 80C. This is my understanding from what Rossi has
stated.
The new high temperature E-Cat reactor core is said to be even smaller, but has
more shielding.
He is not a conman because his technology has been tested too many times by too
many people.
At worst, he is a paranoid business man due to having very real enemies. If I
were in his situation I would be paranoid too.
From: Jed Rothwell
Rossi stated on his blog that he has used radio frequency generators all along,
but that in the past they were internal. In one of his early tests I heard
there was a box that had tesla coil written on it.
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To:
Why doesn't the NASA folks post this report? It would be great for it to be
posted so they could share their side, and Rossi could share his side.
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: Re:
His test are not enough to be death penalty evidence.
However the hypothesis of a planned scam can be eliminated (too long story,
not enough cash, bad communication).
He have said evident lies, evident mistakes that he refuse to admit, but in
a grey world it does not prevent to believe part of
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
So soon you forget. His first customer absolutely required the 1 MW power
factor.
I do not think so. I have heard Rossi is the one who wanted to make such a
large reactor. But who knows. Rumors swirl around Rossi and the facts
seldom come to light.
- Jed
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess those previous successes were pre-petroldragan and those thermo
electric generators from Leonardo since I would not consider those wildly
successful ventures.
No, those were failed ventures. He succeeded with bio-fuel powered Diesel
engines.
Wonder if he’s read this book:
Only the Paranoid Survive: How to Exploit the Crisis Points That Challenge
Every Company
http://www.amazon.com/Only-Paranoid-Survive-Exploit-Challenge/dp/0385483821
-Mark
From: noone noone [mailto:thesteornpa...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, July 09,
At 02:06 AM 7/9/2012, noone noone wrote:
He is not a conman because his technology has been tested too many
times by too many people.
Brilliant demonstration of how some will confidently state as truth
what they don't know, and then use what they have made up -- or have
believed from others,
Like the Wizard in Oz, you only have to believe...
On Monday, July 9, 2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 02:06 AM 7/9/2012, noone noone wrote:
He is not a conman because his technology has been tested too many times
by too many people.
Brilliant demonstration of how some will confidently
for those interested, a good review
http://www.vedpuriswar.org/book_review/only_the_paranoid_survive.PDF
interesting ref indeed.
good moment to read it for all energy dependent business.
by the way, the critic does not evocate much paranoia, much more hearing
middle management less delusioned,
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
So soon you forget. His first customer absolutely required the 1 MW power
factor.
I do not think so. I have heard Rossi is the one who wanted to make such a
large reactor. But who
At 10:29 PM 7/8/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
So soon you forget. His first customer absolutely required the 1 MW
power factor.
According to?
As I posted in the past, a 1 MW thermal reactor is the ideal reactor
size for a drone with a 100 HP electric engine operating with a
thermal to electric
We will know soon enough. Rossi says he will release a description,
pictures, and data about his “new” design in a matter of weeks.
Here is what he has to say about this subject.
1. Dear Andrea Rossi,
The PESN article was very interesting. It speculated on a higher
temperature eCat
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com mailto:thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
wrote:
He is not a conman because his technology has been tested too many
times by too many people.
I agree. But it is unnerving.
- Jed
Axil,
My concern is that rossi is reading the same technical papers you are and
making claims that fit the theories so your comparisons will always seem
reasonable. We are at the point that we need independent hard data that he
and DGT have managed to generate thousands of times more power than
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Problem is, if there were *one* independent test, by one reliable person,
we don't know about it or have any reliable report of it.
Yes, we do. Mike McKubre and I both described this. It was discussed at a
closed meeting. If you consider
Noone:
He is not a conman because his technology has been tested too many times
by too many people.
Jed:
I agree. But it is unnerving.
Calling Favoranti... Calling Favoranti... Please pick up phone number
six in the main lobby.
Time for a re-run:
Could Rossi be using FUD as a weapon against DGT just before the release of
their product?
Fear, uncertainty and doubt, frequently abbreviated as FUD, is a tactic
used in sales, marketing, public relations, politics and propaganda.
FUD is generally a strategic attempt to influence perception
Thanks for the re-run, Steven. I missed it the first time around.
It is fantastic and is founded on the premise that the Rossi reactor
works, but is possibly unreliable or unstable (which is roughly my
sort-of assesment); however, it's not ridiculously impossible.
The story shows why even a
I wrote:
Yes, we do. Mike McKubre and I both described this.
McKubre discussed it in his video lecture at Cafe Scientifique, at SRI. He
described the people who did the tests as people he trusts. I trust them
too.
- Jed
At 01:29 PM 7/9/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote:
Axil,
My concern is that rossi is reading the same technical papers you
are and making claims that fit the theories so your comparisons will
always seem reasonable. We are at the point that we need
independent hard data that he and DGT have
Eric,
thanks for the reference,
That is exactly the point.
As far as I can remember there are similar reports from eg Piantelli and others.
What is missing is the conclusions in a wider context.
Which actually should be intuitively plausible:
If a LENR-reaction starts, it produces A LOT of
Jojo,
maybe I missed that.
but in my humble opinion carbon-nanostructures are hypothetical conceptual
vehicles, which nobody in the field ever investigated.
I don not want to say that such structures could not exist, but I do not see
any evidence in the literature known to me.
This would be a
In reply to noone noone's message of Mon, 9 Jul 2012 00:02:29 -0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
The cigarette box sized reactor core is the one used in the home ECAT that
produces 10 kW at around 80C. This is my understanding from what Rossi has
stated.
The new high temperature E-Cat reactor core is
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
One thing is quite clear: Rossi does not want multiple independent
assessments. He does not want the proof that skeptics would need in order
to accept this to be available, because he could easily arrange it.
That is true. For that matter -- as
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:28:02 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Storms is predicting that the ash with NiH is deuterium.
In order to produce D you need an either n+p or p+p. The former implies a WL
reaction. The latter an f/H reaction. If f/H is involved then is unlikely
Guenter Wildgruber wrote:
Decent, humble scientifically oriented minds consider that, and are
not distracted by possible billions.
That is an absurd thing to say. People should be distracted by the
likelihood that cold fusion is worth billions of dollars. I consider it
_grossly
I wrote:
The only reason people such as Park and the Jasons matter is because they
have influence. They often pull strings and derail funding. They are
a nuisance.
The JASONs is a group of old-fart scientists who control a lot of funding
and who love to pull strings and derail other people's
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
If we are smart enough to make an economy worthy of our technological
genius, then every person on earth will be fabulously wealthy by present
day standards. Every person will be free to do anything he or she pleases,
I meant undue respect. Not undo.
By the way, I did not mean that a test by NASA would not sway anyone. Of
course it would. The dataset of successful cold fusion results has swayed a
lot of people already. It continues to attract ~10,000 downloads a week. I
probably know that in greater detail
Jed raised an extremely important point.
Money is a measure of freedom. It allows people to live however they please.
Someday in the future (and perhaps not in the distant future) robots will do
all physical work. If we are smart enough to make an economy worthy of our
technological genius,
Yes, Carbon Nanostructure-based LENR (what I call LENR2) is new,
not-understood, unproven and certainly untested. Absolutely - that's why it's
the bleeding edge of LENR research. And whoever has evidence for it will
surely not share it. You have to rediscover this on your own if you want a
At 04:27 PM 7/9/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
A dangerous game, even if he has a solid device, reliable, working
safely. Stuff happens. Doubly dangerous if he still has a few
details to work out.
I do not see anything
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not against hardworking, innovative (and sometimes paranoid) people
being rewarded handsomely for their efforts. I'm against trillions going
to some while others who can barely afford a meal must pay more for
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
People who set out to transform society often end up dead.
Not technologists. Hardly ever.
The best of them. In the work I'm doing, it is suggested that we notice
that most of us are not doing anything that would make us worthy of being
At 04:42 PM 7/9/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:28:02 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Storms is predicting that the ash with NiH is deuterium.
In order to produce D you need an either n+p or p+p. The former implies a WL
reaction. The latter an
Since the subject of economics has come I recommend this lecture by
Guy Standing.
The Precariat: The new dangerous class
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jJt-5i_dls
Labour economist Professor Guy Standing identifies one of the alarming
impacts of globalisation on the labour market; the rise of a
http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/UpdatedDeadScientists.html
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 5:54 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not
Abd
I wrote about Guy Standing's class analysis:
He breaks society down into 5 classes.
at the top are the super rich
1. elite (super rich).
2. salariat
3. working class
4. precariat
5. underclass
It is actually 6 classes. I forgot the proficians.
1. elite
2. salariat
3. proficians
4.
Sigh , more stale regurgitations from the self-appointed expert of LENR.
Quite frankly, I hang on to Axil's every post as his posts have been useful
in advancing the current state of knowledge of LENR. Infinitely more than
what I can say about your posts. There is only one poster whose
At 09:50 PM 7/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Sigh , more stale regurgitations from the self-appointed expert of LENR.
I must say I'm consistently impressed by people who claim that I
irritate them by regurgitating stuff, who complain about the
bandwidth burned, and who then copy all of it.
Jojo sez:
...
Group: Forgive the highly emotional response, but Lomax is starting to
irritate me with his wordy (but devoid of substance) posts. Reminds me
of the way Mary Yugo irritated most of us.
After having sinned in this area, I now ask for absolution from the group.
If you wish
Dear Axil, as matter of Pinocchio's syndrome, how not to mention that,
despite what he declared to FL buereau inspector -
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/03/10/florida-bureau-rossi-has-no-factory-no-nuclear-reactions/-
he recently stated this:
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