Re: [Vo]:The SWNT rug part 1

2012-07-20 Thread Jojo Jaro
Excellent post Axil. This was how I understood what you were saying from earliere posts, that is why I was harping on the significance of why Rossi changed to a Fat Cat design. To distribute sparking evenly. Another thing that I am speculating is that Rossi is using a CVD process first

Re: [Vo]:The SWNT rug part 1

2012-07-20 Thread Axil Axil
So Sorry, I can’t help myself…a beautiful mind cannot resist patterns... Like bloodhound, I am encouraged that I am on the right scent as follows: Rice is also getting money from Wright Patterson Air Force Laboratory in Ohio the hub of drone research and development. They are also interested in

Re: [Vo]:The SWNT rug part 1

2012-07-20 Thread Axil Axil
Here are some pictures of what a SWNT carpet looks like: http://mmptdpublic.jsc.nasa.gov/jscnano/CD/Session%201/Robert%20Hauge.pdf Page 8 is a very good picture. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The SWNT rug part 1 Fabrication of

Re: [Vo]:Identity of a DGT third party (?) tester inadvertently made public through a PowerPoint presentation

2012-07-20 Thread Alain Sepeda
no the name was added by a member, and finally, after long search I found the trick. the embedded photo is simple without legend, and the PPT author seems to have made a big security errror is not cropping really the photo... (there have been similar failur in PDF blackening that let the real

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

2012-07-20 Thread Bruno Santos
Hi! What most people seem to not consider while assessing LENR's impact on world's economy is energy's major role in our financial system. With very, very few exceptions (most notably, Japan and South Korea) large energy companies are the backbones of our stock markets. Everywhere, oil, gas,

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

2012-07-20 Thread Alain Sepeda
some interesting analysis. however about taxes, the analysis is short sighted. if you save 10% of cost for all the economy, the tax on fuel will be no problems. tax on sales, work, incomes, can replace that. tax on fuel are ther not to get money, but to pay the externalities of foreign resources.

Re: [Vo]:Identity of a DGT third party (?) tester inadvertently made public through a PowerPoint presentation

2012-07-20 Thread Bob Higgins
The strange device aside with lead screen is probably a large NaI gamma ray scintillator / spectrometer. In this photo, there looks to be a high voltage cable with rubber cap going to one of the spark plugs on the visible reactor end. On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Alain Sepeda

[Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex, 129 Million dollar investment-- gone...Kleiner Perkins should have thought LENR Cold Fusion. So much for Smart Money: http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/07/another-solar-company-shuts-down.html Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown, PA

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Chemical Engineer
If only they had Jed's Robot's to help them :) On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Vortex, 129 Million dollar investment-- gone...Kleiner Perkins should have thought LENR Cold Fusion. So much for Smart Money:

Re: [Vo]:Identity of a DGT third party (?) tester inadvertently made public through a PowerPoint presentation

2012-07-20 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Abd, ... When I was a kid, I took lots of things apart and looked at how they were put together. Sometimes I even managed to put them back together. I still take things apart and look at how they are put together. And sometimes I put things together. Indeed, taking things apart can

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is another article about that, with a few more technical details: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/07/amonix-closes-150-mw-las-vegas-hcpv-plant Solar energy is booming but there are too many players and too many different technologies being developed. A shakeout is

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Chemical Engineer
Don't you mean frightening for taxpayer's? That is where billion's have come from while the US government goes trillions into debt. If LENR happens to be real your solar boom will be a colossal bust! On Friday, July 20, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Here is another article about that, with a few

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Don't you mean frightening for taxpayer's? That is where billion's have come from . . . No, most of the money has come from private investors, or from the Chinese government. The U.S. government never invests in these things unless there is more

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Alain Sepeda
yes, we have to prepare for that in LENR. and often the pioneer get toasted by the second wave... business is not fair, but it works. 2012/7/20 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Here is another article about that, with a few more technical details:

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Don't you mean frightening for taxpayer's? That is where billion's have come from while the US government goes trillions into debt. The so-called debt crisis could be fixed overnight by raising the taxes on wealthy people back to the level it was

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: yes, we have to prepare for that in LENR. I hope so! and often the pioneer get toasted by the second wave... business is not fair, but it works. Exactly right. - Jed

[Vo]:Future electric generators powered by cold fusion

2012-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Lacking -at this moment- your book, I plunge ahead anyway... As Terry noted it is here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusiona.pdf Recommended by Arthur Clarke and many distinguished professors! Actually, most of it is plagiarized

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Randy Wuller
Chemical: I wouldn't respond but your point grinds on me like chalk on a blackboard. First, the incentives we as taxpayers give to these technologies through our Government are only a waste if you believe we would be employing the efforts of the citizens of this country at maximum utility

Re: [Vo]:Are We Being Evicted?

2012-07-20 Thread LORENHEYER
In my view there's no doubt there's alot going on up in space, and I'm more inclined to think that if anything, we are evicting ourselves from the Earth. As the population continues to increase by 3rd world Countries that continue to invade the neighboring Countries that are considerably

Re: [Vo]:Identity of a DGT third party (?) tester inadvertently made public through a PowerPoint presentation

2012-07-20 Thread Robert Lynn
The true test is how many parts remain on the bench after reassembly. On 20 July 2012 14:52, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Abd, ... When I was a kid, I took lots of things apart and looked at how they were put together. Sometimes I even managed to put

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Chemical Engineer
Wow, liberals are crawling out of the cracks... Maybe we should give the Chinese our land to pay off our debt?? On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote: ** Chemical: I wouldn't respond but your point grinds on me like chalk on a blackboard. First, the

[Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Chemical Engineer
In this case the Pioneer will be the US taxpayer. Jed's liberal sheep just lept from his wolfs clothing. I figured you were a tax the rich guy. On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jedrothw...@gmail.com'); wrote: Alain Sepeda

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Axil Axil
*The so-called debt crisis could be fixed overnight by raising the taxes on wealthy people back to the level it was during the Clinton administration. Wealthy people were doing fine during those years. Many of them nowadays are paying 15% income tax, like Mr. Romney. They can easily afford to pay

Re: [Vo]:Identity of a DGT third party (?) tester inadvertently made public through a PowerPoint presentation

2012-07-20 Thread Andre Blum
murphy's 5th law: if you take apart and reassemble a device often enough, you will end up with two devices. On 07/20/2012 11:42 AM, Robert Lynn wrote: The true test is how many parts remain on the bench after reassembly. On 20 July 2012 14:52, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Robert Lynn
Always fascinates me that liberal is a pejorative in US when elsewhere in the world it describes people who champion personal freedom from invasive rules and laws - which in most peoples eyes is a good thing. Is this a semantic shift or conflation manufactured by the religious right or was it

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Axil Axil
Buying the worlds natural resources is what China is all about: Copper in South America, Oil in Canada, Coal in Australia and the US. Who would want Texas, there is not many things of lasting value there; and Florida will be mostly under water in just a very few years. Cheers: Axil On Fri,

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Ransom Wuller
How do you know I'm not one of those rich guys. Sorry, stupidity isn't confined to class groups. When the pie shrinks we all lose, when the pie increases we all gain. The silly policies that have taken over conservative thinking are not designed to promote prosperity and that's all I care

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

2012-07-20 Thread David L Babcock
On 7/19/2012 9:48 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:42 PM, David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Lacking -at this moment- your book, I plunge ahead anyway... It's a quick, free download: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusiona.pdf T Thank you !! I was

Re: [Vo]:The SWNT rug part 1

2012-07-20 Thread pagnucco
Jojo, You have a huge parameter space to search. - What dielectric fluid will you suspend the nanoparticles in? - What density of particles-to-fluid? - Will you use ultra-sound to disperse the particles? or, then let them form larger aggregates and colloidal chains? Also check that the

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

2012-07-20 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Bruno, appreciate Your argument. Commercial LENR would change the concept of 'value' big time. But we live in a dialectical world. (sort of) To abuse Hegel: Force-Counterforce-Resultant. (These-Antithese-Synthese) Now consider: The force (A)  would be LENR The counterforce (B) would be the

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: In this case the Pioneer will be the US taxpayer. Always has been. From canals through computers, the Internet, the GPS and human genome, taxpayers and Uncle Sam have led the way. Jed's liberal sheep just lept from his wolfs clothing. I figured

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Chemical Engineer
Jed, Now you are bragging. Rich guys don't live in active flight paths with novice pilots flying over their heads daily, they live in Roswell where I do... On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: In this case the

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Be sensitive to how it looks from the other side of the wealth divide. I should feel sorry for rich people?!? No, maybe you mean poor people, since I am wealthy. Originally a Democrat, Adelson became a Republican as his wealth increased. Why is it fair that

Re: [Vo]:The SWNT rug part 1

2012-07-20 Thread Jojo Jaro
My gen2 reactor is almost complete. I am missing 2 parts that I can not source here. It will have to wait until I get back to the States. I have built a small and cheap reactor to provide a proof of concept test. Reactor cost less than $100 to provide this proof of concept. If successful,

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Now you are bragging. Yup. Rich guys don't live in active flight paths with novice pilots flying over their heads daily . . . Novices here in Atlanta, yeah. But I'll have you know that only top U.S. Marine pilots fly over my house in

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

2012-07-20 Thread Alain Sepeda
I've rethough about my simple rough analysis of Energy being 10% of all cost in economy. in fact situation is much worse, I see it at Home (I try a micro economic reasoning). not only I pay more than 1 thousands euro a year to warm house and water, but to avoid paying 3 thousands, I, and the

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Chemical Engineer
My mother is an ex-marine and so is my my oldest brother, was stationed in Okinawa. Father flew B-24Libs in WWII. My Roswell HS mascot is a Hornet... BTW, since you are rich I know of at least 20 DOE loan guarantee recipient companies that are burning thru taxpayer money very quickly and may be

RE: [Vo]:The SWNT rug part 1

2012-07-20 Thread Ron Clark
Jojo, I am hoping for the best in your testing. I am also trying to build and test a system, but I am several steps behind you. May I ask, did you get successful results from your gen1 system, and can you share any details that may help in the tests I am conducting? I am only using Ni powder

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

2012-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: I've rethough about my simple rough analysis of Energy being 10% of all cost in economy. I have talked about the potential economic effects with many experts. I conclude that it is darn near impossible to estimate the impact or likely course of

Re: [Vo]:The SWNT rug part 1

2012-07-20 Thread Axil Axil
Currently my understanding of the process of vertically aligned carbon nanotube (VACNT) carpet construction is as follows: Building a vertically aligned carbon nanotube carpet is a two-step process. The first step is to create the iron seedbed that forms the template that the VACNT will use to

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
well, Jed, this is just a sane, realistic view. Being rich more often than not is synonymous having insane views. The source of their riches are luck, societal infrastructure, connections, inheritance, a moderately criminal mind, some genes, favorable rules (they mostly lobbied for).

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com mailto:gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: As a free mind You too are probably worried that the wrong people conquer the field of LENR, when it is ready to being commercialized. Again. I do not worry about that. That's silly. That would be like

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I am off to PDK to practice low level touch and go landings blindfolded. Take a number. Get in line. The main runway is open, or you can land on Dresden Road, or I-85. It's Casual Friday. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

2012-07-20 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Jed wrote: 2. At the level of energy, the economy and technology are so complex no expert can sort out the inputs and outputs, or the effect of change. You might estimate the impact of an improved washing machine. You might even predict the impact of an effective vaccine for AIDS. But when you

Re: [Vo]:Are We Being Evicted?

2012-07-20 Thread Terry Blanton
Return of the green fireballs: http://bragalia.blogspot.com/2012/07/return-of-incredible-green-fireballs.html

Re: [Vo]:Another Solar Firm Shuts Down

2012-07-20 Thread Harry Veeder
Also of interest is that during the 2000 elections the political symbolism of the colours red and blue switched in the United states. Red used to symobolize left-wing states and values and blue used to symobolize right-wing states and values. Now the converse is true. Harry On Fri, Jul 20, 2012

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

2012-07-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: When you consider all the political and economic power-centers in the world, and the alliances or lack thereof, and the dire financial circumstances all over the planet, trying to make any predictions with that level

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

2012-07-20 Thread Axil Axil
Jed: you fully grasped the total implications of LENR. Even simple things such as spoons, which have not changed much in appearance for around 200 years, have changed profoundly in ways we cannot see, in the manufacturing phase. They will soon change again, with the introduction of 3-D replicator

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

2012-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In the not so distant future, water will enters a robotic custom product production plant as feedstock via a pipe and a purpose build custom product will roll off the production line of the local plant as a finalized manufactured article without ever

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

2012-07-20 Thread Terry Blanton
Well, with carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, you can make pretty much all the organics you need . . . with free energy. T

RE: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

2012-07-20 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Jed wrote: I do not think that sort of industrial scale transmutation will happen in the 'not so distant future.' More like hundreds or thousands of years from now. I couldn't disagree more. seriously, hundreds or thousands of years? Once the scientific community (both academic and