anomaly re Lithium 7 dearth in universe, as not enough formed after
Big Bang to fit current theories -- any relevance to Widom-Larsen
theory of weak interaction beta decay chains? Rich Murray 2012.09.09
just asking... Allan Widom and Lewis Larsen ?
Near-surface winds could provide more than 20 times today's global
power demand: Rich Murray 2012.09.09
http://phys.org/news/2012-09-power-global-energy-demand.html#jCp
Enough wind to power global energy demand, new research says
September 9, 2012
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A Vestas wind turbine. Image credit:
2012/9/10 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
I did not say that. I just said how science works and it is working very
well. Science has (almost!) nothing to do with politics and actually it is
surprising immune for political prejudices. And usually when someone gets
caught on political
On Sep 10, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
we need to have rock-solid statements to answer the hyper-skeptics.
Rock-solid answer would be that anyone could go their local university and do
the necessary measurement by himself. With Miley's and Celani's cells this
You want to test the Hydrobetatron/Athanor ?
as Jed repeated, good LENR experiment are expensive, and the calorimetry is
so difficult that many mainstream team failed even to make good enough one.
Few researchers have really tested the LENR, and now they are believers,
thus nobody trust them.
A report from NyTeknik, in Swedish, but Google translate works remarkably
well:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3535258.ece
Google Translate:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=2417#comments
quoting from article:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=svtl=enjs=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyteknik.se%2Fnyheter%2Fenergi_miljo%2Fenergi%2Farticle3535258.ece
Investor Group had instructed the SP Technical Research
I was saving quotes sent to me a while back. I put them on an XML file, to
learn XML. The stuff only runs on Microsoft Explorer now. The quotes are
linked below open with IE.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter0.html
Frank Znidarsic
-Original Message-
From: Jeff
It's interesting to note that this Swedish group hurried to put their press
release. At the same time Rossi presented his results in Zurich.
2012/9/10 Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
http://ecatnews.com/?p=2417#comments
quoting from article:
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
And any trust that may have been re-established in Rossi is now totally
destroyed.
No one in his right mind would ever trust Rossi. However, some of his
measurements have been inherently trustworthy despite the poor quality of
the tests and
So, why doesn't Rossi adopt the strategy of microchip makers? That is, mass
produce chips in mass, but discarding the ones that doesn't work. This
happens very frequently when a new process is released and chip failures
are common.
2012/9/10 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Robert Lynn
In Matts review, look how crazy Rossi is:
Investors measurement was done on a new model with a higher operating
temperature and hydrogen supply other than those previously demonstrated
Rossi.
Why didn't Rossi used the older reactor that he need it worked better?
2012/9/10 Jed Rothwell
As an investor I would be quite OK with it being unreliable, as long as he
was open and honest about it, allowed proper instrumentation and
calorimetry, and it worked sometimes, RD by competent scientists and
engineers would soon get to the bottom of the unreliability.
What I would run screaming
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
So, why doesn't Rossi adopt the strategy of microchip makers? That is, mass
produce chips in mass, but discarding the ones that doesn't work.
You would have to ask Rossi.
That strategy might work. I think there are many ways to solve this
problem, but
I wonder what's going to be next ecat model to fool the crowd. I bet a
ColdCat in in liquid nitrogen operating at 80°K.
Cheers
Bert
2012/9/10 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
In Matts review, look how crazy Rossi is:
Investors measurement was done on a new model with a higher operating
Indeed, it seems that case is finally closed for Rossi.
—Jouni
On Sep 10, 2012 5:06 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=2417#comments
quoting from article:
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
As an investor I would be quite OK with it being unreliable, as long as he
was open and honest about it, allowed proper instrumentation and
calorimetry, and it worked sometimes, RD by competent scientists and
engineers would soon get to the
I have been waiting since last October for such a INDEPENDENT test. This is
the result of the first INDEPENDENT test.
It reminded me of my flying saucer. It was a device with many coils and
electronics hanging on a string. It produced transnational thrust when
energized.
I took it to a
Jed, you are optimistic beyond reasonable levels. Edison could be crazy,
but he was reasonable. For example, Rossi gave to the Swedish investors the
latest version of Hot Cat, hotter than the one of the Zurich presentation.
Proably, it was the 1200C version whereas the one from Zurich achieved
I remind the interview of Defkalion CTO saying that they initially tested
many possibilities, and first Heat only, pressure and shocks, but that it
was unreliable, so they abandon it to their polarized plasma method...
Reading that and Rossi claims I got to imagine that Rossi might have found
a
To what faked results are you referring exactly?
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
What I would run screaming from is someone who faked results with a
straight face (as we saw in one of the demos last year)...
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed, it seems that case is finally closed for Rossi.
Never. You can never stop that man. He is an irresistible force of nature.
Besides, if Piantelli and Celani are confirmed, everyone will have to admit
that Rossi is right and deserves a large
Good article on the future of alternative energy funding, if you haven't
seen it...
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/09/amid-partisan-bickerin
g-everyone-agrees-arpa-e-is-a-fascinating-experiment/261905/
BTW there is more to the story than this, if we consider recent happenings
fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
I have been waiting since last October for such a INDEPENDENT test. This
is the result of the first INDEPENDENT test.
It is the first independent test you have seen. I have seen others that
worked fine. Rossi wants to keep them secret for reasons I cannot begin to
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, you are optimistic beyond reasonable levels. Edison could be crazy,
but he was reasonable.
No, he wasn't reasonable. See: magnetic separation, for example.
Reasonable people seldom make profoundly original discoveries of
earthshaking importance.
I think all these devices are all inherently self destructive or we would have
an exception to COE that identifies the energy source and how to enhance it. I
think Mills, Moller and Rossi all need to concentrate more on how to prevent
immediate self destruction of the geometry and much less on
But art is subjective and B/shock movies have lots of fans. But, being
unreasonable with technology require more objective limits. Rossi is a bit
too wild for that and this is bad.
2012/9/10 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Granted, Edison was more reasonable than Rossi. That's not saying
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
To what faked results are you referring exactly?
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Robert Lynn
robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
What I would run screaming from is someone who faked results with a
straight face (as we saw in one of the demos last
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
But art is subjective and B/shock movies have lots of fans. But, being
unreasonable with technology require more objective limits. Rossi is a bit
too wild for that and this is bad.
Not just bad. Awful! Tragic.
- Jed
I would say most of last years steam-based demos. Claiming COPs that were
far higher than what was realistic, but specifically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8SeOteFPtM 3:00-4:00 doesn't exactly
inspire confidence, looks to be tweaking the power to increase steam output
when Lewan is out of the
Francis,
I agree with your comments.
I think the only way to prevent self destruction may be some type of
magnetic and inertial confinement. Although I believe the confinement
within voids may aid in the initial collapse so that may be tricky...
What works one day for a period of time might
Copying from my post on e-catworld:
Can anyone on this forum comment on the True RMS meter that was used?
The link Frank supplied seems to suggest that one of its applications is
to find unexpected high currents.
So a typical scenario may be this: you have fuses that repeatedly blow
and
By the way, since the accusation of manipulation the instruments is serious,
is the NYTeknik confirmed ?
Does Hydrofusion at least confirm a COP of 2 (like his tests during the
conference).
I'm devastated, not because I bet a cent on Rossi (It won't be a crazy bet
anyway, but speculative), but
From: Andre Blum
Can anyone on this forum comment on the True RMS meter that was used? The
link Frank supplied seems to suggest that one of its applications is to find
unexpected high currents.
A true RMS meter of any kind is NOT sufficient in this situation.
A dedicated power
And, unless I understand wrong, (and depending on the algorithm used to
give your every half-second-or-so display update), there may have been
an accidental correlation between the PWM duty cycle of the resistive
heater and the measurement cycle of the true RMS meter. This is more
likely when
on cobraf Cures calims the swedish made mistake.
As you say here if when they say RMS they say RMS voltmeter or RMS
ampmeter... I agree this is not enough.
I've been using wattmeters from the time if was implemented with 2 circuits
on a galvanometer... now it is DSP that make the
This was his reply:
Dear Sir: we resolved the èroblem with a variac, which confirmed,
substantially, that our measurements were right,but I repeat that meny
more measurements will be made by the validators. A final report will be
published only after the end of the validation. At that point
The main reason I pay attention to Rossi, aside from the fact that cold
fusion research was not suppressed in Italy to nearly the extent it was in
the US and most of the rest of Europe, is my impression that the only
source of money he had from the E-Cat was through the sale of the 1MW
thermal
Also note the paragraph at the end :
It is important to make a clear distinction between high temperature
prototype, which test measurement has been made, and the recent
safety certified 1 MW plant. We work for a separate validation of
the 1 MW plant full operation, says Magnus Holm
Too late to enter anyway.
From: Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex,
Scientific American and Physical Sciences= Wrong:
http://fqxi.org/community/essay
Ron Kita, Chiralex
The opportunity of winning a.Shrubbery
At 01:39 PM 9/9/2012, Alan Fletcher wrote:
From: Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.com
Please consider going to the article, read it and vote on its
truswothiness, objectivity, etc. at the bottom of the page.
The talk page isn't the place to vote. If it comes up for a formal
request for
Basically the error was probably to use a good RMS ampmeter (half job),
instead of either a bad ampmeter (Rossi) or a good powermeter (What I was
assuming because anything else is not professional).
probably if there is a Triac variator, it is normal to have huge RMS of
interference, yet the
Just a diversion from RossiCircusFusion
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
What was it?
The page is up for formal deletion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Energy_Catalyzer_(2nd_nomination)
I haven't decided yet whether to vote for Delete or Keep. I'll
probably go with a snarky Keep.
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Besides that your idea about the funding cuts is silly conspiracy theory
and if you are throwing such lazy arguments, it will not help the field.
It irks me when people write this! Why does this nonsense about a
conspiracy so often come up? Who
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com, an expert in Wikipedia, wrote
descriptions that seem contradictory to me. First he says the policies are
great, then he says they are not followed:
If you are interested in helping with Wikipedia, do register, but be aware
that it can be an abusive
*
Andrea Rossi
September 10th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=713cpage=3#comment-317304
Dear Andre Blum:
I do not make electric measures, I let them made by specialists who
are in the team of validators and certificators of the Hot Cat: for
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:20 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Just a diversion from RossiCircusFusion
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
What was it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmE3XWorBgY
Sorry, I see I was too dodgy in my original email.
I was hoping to see quotes that the original speakers will regret, assuming
LENR plays out the way we hope. Attributable, public quotes - no lawsuit
material please.
Jeff
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:11 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
I was saving
Unfortunately, Jed, the accusers of conspiracy theorizing may have a
legal leg to stand on given this plain language instruction to the jurors
in California civil cases regarding
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Take Home Lesson: Do not dismiss or underestimate a fanatical creative
genius who works 14 hours a day. Strange and disagreeable people such as
Edison, Steve Jobs or Rossi may have reality distortion fields but they
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Unfortunately, Jed, the accusers of conspiracy theorizing may have a
legal leg to stand on given this plain language instruction to the
jurors in California civil cases regarding
I wrote:
Miles was a Fellow of the Institute at China Lake. A Fellow means
someone who can study any subject he wants, like a tenured professor.
Speaking of tenured professors, see:
Jed sez:
...
I think that I know why Jouni Valkonen accused me of being a conspiracy
theorist. He did that to make me look silly or gullible. People often accuse
me of being a conspiracy theorist because in the minds of most people, a
conspiracy theorist is a paranoid person who wears a
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
The greatest obstacle Rossi faces is himself.
I couldn't agree more!
It is tragic. It is easy to make fun of Rossi because he is so flamboyant
and he loves the limelight, but I think the full story is tragic.
I do not think there is any indication of
I have audio quotes on my web page.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter1.html
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Best tasting CF/LENR quotes through history.
Sorry, I
Andrea Rossi
September 10th, 2012 at 3:14 PM
DEAR READERS:
TODAY A BIG MESS IS POPPED OUT FROM A SHORT MEASUREMENT THAT HAS BEEN
DONE THE LAST WEEK. I REALLY HAVE DIFFICULTY TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOME
PERSONS HAVE TOTALLY IGNORED WHAT I CLEARLY SAID IN MY PRELIMINAR
STATEMENT IN THE REPORT
At 06:01 PM 9/9/2012, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
What comes to cold fusion, there are no
established scientific point of view, therefore
it is impossible to write a good Wikipedia
article on cold fusion that would satisfy everyone.
Actually, there is. The claim Jouni makes is one
that
At 06:52 PM 9/9/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Jouni Valkonen
mailto:jounivalko...@gmail.comjounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
What comes to cold fusion, there are no
established scientific point of view . . .
Yes, there is. It is the set of facts in the
peer-reviewed literature published in
Well folks, Rossi has a big Ego, to be sure,but he proves it on a lowly
'conference' like the Zurich one, where esoterics gather.
As I said a couple of times before, to the dismay of Jed, that Rossi is some
sort of a (tragic) Karl May character, who is a believer in his own fictions.
Now this
http://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/e-cat-congress-in-zurich/
In a message dated 10/09/2012 11:30:41 GMT Daylight Time, [Horst ]
writes:
I am back now from the congress. This was a big succuss with about
200 participants. Rossi attended all sessions and gave an extensive
evening
At 04:01 PM 9/10/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
http://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/e-cat-congress-in-zurich/
Evans seems to be associated with Unified Field Theory stuff
... Horst = H. Eckardt, Ph.D. (Munich)
http://www.aias.us/index.php?goto=showPageByTitlepageTitle=Home
Mr. Rothwell,
do you have any input power measurements for the Rossi test (the famed Levi
test) you have posted on lenr-canr.org ?
http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=640
A source close to the test gave Jed Rothwell the following figures. These are
approximations:
Particularly, did your
Article in Wired is worth some further thought, and even a second screening,
so to speak.
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/08/bourne-legacy-gene-doping/
... this could be the tip of another brave-new-world iceberg... and along
with LENR, we may find that some version of gene-doping is to be
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Damon is...
Daemon.
Jed, many people and thousands of scientist have looked the data and they are
concluded that scientific data is nowhere near sufficient. It is in best case
speculative, suggestive and inconclusive.
There is no 'big money suppression'. That kind of idea is silly and
non-informative and it is an
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, many people and thousands of scientist have looked the data and they
are concluded that scientific data is nowhere near sufficient.
Thousands of scientists download papers from my website every week. I hear
from them often. Not one of them has
GJB should please adjust the e-mail options so that responses to Vortex do
not go by private e-mail. Not sure how to do this. Several people have this
problem.
Also, I suggest you use your name, rather than initials only.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Jed Rothwell
On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:56 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
There is no 'big money suppression'.
Did I say anything about big money?
Yes you did say. You said that hot fusion researchers are trying to 'suppress'
it and indeed hot
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
GJB should please adjust the e-mail options so that responses to Vortex do
not go by private e-mail. Not sure how to do this.
Change your reply to on the header to a null set (nothing).
T
There is no 'big money suppression'.
Did I say anything about big money?
Yes you did say.
Actually perhaps it was Abd who said: »But the physics community, dependent
upon large subsidies for hot fusion research, did not operate, here, by the
normal standards of science. They, instead,
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