Re: [Vo]:Chemonuclear Transitions

2013-01-24 Thread Axil Axil
Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons, but at the same time act as superconductors.. http://phys.org/news/2012-06-mass-scientists-electrons-heavy-speedy.html#jCp See the included video that displays heavy electrons at

Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

2013-01-24 Thread Teslaalset
Unfortunately I was tackled by flu and could not visit, but here's some feedback:

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Jack Cole
Thanks Chuck, It's encouraging to know we've had the same ideas! You may not have had the polarity wrong. I've gone through two wires with it so far. I've thought maybe I was putting too much power through it, but it also may be that the hydrogen loading is very rough on the wire. After

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Jack Cole
Thanks for the suggestions Jones. I will give that a try. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: A combination of vinegar and hydrogen peroxide works with nickel-copper and is very safe. This is often used to etch PCBs. Using a few volts with the wire as

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Jack Cole
I ordered several additional meters of nitinol and constantan wire (.8mm). It took some work to find similar diameters. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the suggestions Jones. I will give that a try. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Jones

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously this is not as sensitive as advanced calorimetry, but it is also not without utility. Roger.

RE: [Vo]:Chemonuclear Transitions

2013-01-24 Thread Jones Beene
Speaking of chemo-nuclear transitions in a general way - and especially in regards to hydrogen thermal anomalies, it is possible that the very definition of chemical energy is in jeopardy soon - to the extent that Mills finally delivers. This is because of the Rydberg teachings - which is

Re: [Vo]:Chemonuclear Transitions

2013-01-24 Thread David Roberson
Jones, I can see how the 13.6 eV of energy would be very substantially larger than the normal burning of hydrogen at 1.4 eV as you mention. My problem with this concept arises when I try to find the original source of the 13.6 eV of energy. Clearly, free hydrogen is available to burn with

RE: [Vo]:Chemonuclear Transitions

2013-01-24 Thread Jones Beene
David, Good question … and yes - nature provides us with a few clues. Without getting into anything proprietary – you need only look at the oceans of earth for the source you are asking about. In effect – “hydronium” is a component of water and represents a free source of protons –

Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

2013-01-24 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, Thanks for the info (extracted the dutch original linked version) en beterschap gewenst. Kind regards, Rob On 24-1-2013 10:40, Teslaalset wrote: Unfortunately I was tackled by flu and could not visit, but here's some feedback:

Re: [Vo]:Chemonuclear Transitions

2013-01-24 Thread David Roberson
Thanks Jone, I have never really thought about that natural source of energy. It sounds like there are people attempting to tap the stored joules and I wish them success. In a manner of speaking, the energy you mention is a form of fossil fuel. Dave -Original Message- From:

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
The title of your article is Rossi wants to destroy the Piantelli patent. Rossi has no power to destroy any patent, any more than I can destroy a football player's contract with the NFL. Rossi has no say in this matter, and no influence with the patent office in any country. However, Rossi does

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Peter Gluck
It is not about opinion, Rossi says he has tested the apparatus according to the patent with high fidelity and has demonstrated it does not work. I show why this cannot be true, and suppose that it is true, it would be a loss for him. The method is the key. I have not spoken about opinion. Peter

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: It is not about opinion, Rossi says he has tested the apparatus according to the patent with high fidelity and has demonstrated it does not work. The patent office does not care what he says. He is not a patent examiner. His tests are going to be

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I meant his tests are NOT going to be admitted as evidence. Believe me, that patent office has never heard of Rossi, and it does not want to hear from him. He has no influence. Stop worrying about him. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Edmund Storms
And then Piantelli tests Ross's patent and finds it not to work. Meanwhile, the lawyers get rich and while the elephants are fighting, the mice eat the corn. Being one of the mice, this is good news. Ed On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: The title of your article is Rossi

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: And then Piantelli tests Ross's patent and finds it not to work. Meanwhile, the lawyers get rich . . . Piantelli has no influence with the patent office either. This discussion makes no sense. You cannot walk in off the street, declare yourself a

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Peter Gluck
Rossi's patent description is untestable and has not much in common with what he is really doing. I bet thta Rossi does not want a patent for what he does or tries to do, This action now is just smoke, circus, game playing. Peter On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Edmund Storms

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Teslaalset
Formally, anybody can object against a granted EU patent within 9 months. Looking to Piantelli's claims not only pure Nickel but also Nickel alloys are applicable. So, it's basically impossible for Rossi to claim Piantelli's setup cannot work. Even stronger, Rossi's catalyzer is possibly related

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Edmund Storms
No the action is not at the patent office. The action is in the courts that oversee patents. Also such challenges can prevent a patent from being granted in the EU. Remember Patterson and F-P. Ed On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Also such challenges can prevent a patent from being granted in the EU. Remember Patterson and F-P. That is true. I had forgotten about that. Still, Rossi is not an influential person. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Peter Gluck
I wanted to call Rossi's attention about his moral obligation to tell better lies. Surely he cannot do anything real against this very well conceived an written patent. I start to have very serious doubts if he is progressing on the way from enhanced excess heat to energy source. A good partner

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Jack Cole
Jones, I went back and looked at some of my previous results, and they do raise the possibility of anomalous cooling. I was a little confused by these results at the time. After our discussion, I think this is exactly what you were predicting. The control trial used HFAC pulses through a

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Terry Blanton
As far as the NiH reaction goes, I doubt anyone could defend a patent since it was placed in the public domain by Mills years ago. Processes for increasing the efficiency should be defendable, however.

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Peter Gluck
Randy Mills says hsi process has nothing to do with Rossi's or Piantelli's. And he is not interested in ny communiction with these individuals. The problem is that his CIHT is progressing very slowly. peter On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: As far as the

RE: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Jones Beene
Jack - Well that is interesting. It may be a relic of too little data which will average out over time, but it may also mean something now. IOW, it begs for more confirming data with slight changes that would accentuate the effect by adding increasing levels of H loading with every run. Since

RE: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Jones Beene
BTW - can you find out what metal the beverage heater is made of? Probably stainless and NOT chrome plated (hexavalent chrome is highly toxic). If it were to be the 316L grade of SS that could be important. This grade has been associated with energy anomalies. That could relate to why it

RE: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Jones Beene
Whoa ! Hold everything. What a find. This Watta-heater is copper nickel plated... http://www.amazon.com/Lewis-N-Clark-Watta-Heater/dp/B0045E4DSW Heck - here is your basic Celani replication experiment for 16 bucks. Jones From: Jones Beene BTW - can you

Re: [Vo]:Chemonuclear Transitions

2013-01-24 Thread Edmund Storms
It would appear that clusters of electrons can form in some materials at low temperature. The BIG question is whether these have the ability to initiate a nuclear reaction, especially at a rate of near 10^11 times/sec as is required to explain CF. As for the Miley idea, the question is

[Vo]:Lattice Energy posting on recent Li-battery failures

2013-01-24 Thread pagnucco
Very recently posted on Lattice Energy site - LENRs are potentially another mechanism for producing so-called field failures that can trigger catastrophic thermal runaway fires in Lithium-based batteries

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Jack Cole
I went back and double checked the calculations and the beverage heater control was actually below the predicted level as well. The predicted value for the control run was incorrect, but the rest of the data was correct. Anyway, I think the beverage heater is less efficient with pulse heating

Re: [Vo]:Lattice Energy posting on recent Li-battery failures

2013-01-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I guess it was Lattice Energy who wrote: The LENR theory should be easily testable by autopsies on some failed batteries, looking for evidence of transmutations, i.e., unusual isotopes or elements. This would not be an easy test. There would be only microscopic amounts of anomalous

Re: [Vo]:Lattice Energy posting on recent Li-battery failures

2013-01-24 Thread Daniel Rocha
Why are you surprised? Krivit said that and WL are his masters, so it was just a matter of time (it was actually days). 2013/1/24 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Frankly, I am surprised they said that. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

[Vo]:El cheapo experiment to test for a Romanowski/Celani effect

2013-01-24 Thread Jones Beene
_ This Watta-heater is copper nickel plated... could be close to a Romanowski alloy http://www.amazon.com/Lewis-N-Clark-Watta-Heater/dp/B0045E4DSW

Re: [Vo]:Lattice Energy posting on recent Li-battery failures

2013-01-24 Thread pagnucco
Jed, No. Lattice did not say that. That is my statement. Of course, a definitive test would absolutely require a very, very clean controlled environment. Do you believe that the battery environment cannot produce LENRs? -- Or, that the circumstances under which other (alleged) LENR

Re: [Vo]:Lattice Energy posting on recent Li-battery failures

2013-01-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: No. Lattice did not say that. That is my statement. Of course, a definitive test would absolutely require a very, very clean controlled environment. Do you believe that the battery environment cannot produce LENRs? Ah, I see what you are saying. A

[Vo]:Lattice Energy posting on recent Li-battery failures

2013-01-24 Thread ChemE Stewart
It is even less suprising that I believe energetic dark matter particles orbiting @ 43,000 ft in jet streams are triggering the LENR and the annihilation of Li. Which may also answer the cosmological problem of the missing Li.

Re: [Vo]:patent saga, Rossi enters the battle

2013-01-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Randy Mills says hsi process has nothing to do with Rossi's or Piantelli's. And he is not interested in ny communiction with these individuals. The problem is that his CIHT is progressing very slowly. I'm talking about

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Whoa ! Hold everything. What a find. This Watta-heater is copper nickel plated... http://www.amazon.com/Lewis-N-Clark-Watta-Heater/dp/B0045E4DSW Heck - here is your basic Celani replication experiment for 16 bucks.

[Vo]:S.Korea Fusion

2013-01-24 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=south-korea-makes-billion-dollar-bet-fusion-power South Korea has embarked on the development of a preliminary concept design for a fusion power demonstration reactor in collaboration with the US Department of Energy's Princeton Plasma Physics

Re: [Vo]:S.Korea Fusion

2013-01-24 Thread Daniel Rocha
That might be as good as cold fusion, according to some simulations they did with some configurations. They surprisingly got a COP of 1000x. 2013/1/24 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=south-korea-makes-billion-dollar-bet-fusion-power South

Re: [Vo]:S.Korea Fusion

2013-01-24 Thread James Bowery
My response: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=south-korea-makes-billion-dollar-bet-fusion-powerposted=1#comment-18 18. jabowery http://www.scientificamerican.com/page.cfm?section=my-account06:21 PM 1/24/13 From a founder of the US Tokamak Fusion Program to Congress: The DoE

Re: [Vo]:S.Korea Fusion

2013-01-24 Thread Daniel Rocha
Sorry, I thought this was a case of plasma pinch. This is the old Tokamak, so I mistook this project with another one. 2013/1/24 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com That might be as good as cold fusion, according to some simulations they did with some configurations. They surprisingly got a

Re: [Vo]:S.Korea Fusion

2013-01-24 Thread James Bowery
BTW: I don't know why rational fusion people don't continually rub the noses of pseudoskeptics in this letter. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: My response:

RE: [Vo]:S.Korea Fusion

2013-01-24 Thread Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan
This is not 'Fusion' proper; This is Plasma Breach Reactor technology. (which 'can' support fusion but which would be so monumentally counter productive) and so much so that simply using the Plas-Breach Reactor in 'INCIPIENT'-Plas-Breach(restrained-eye)XO-Plasma bleed-through mode provides a

Re: [Vo]:S.Korea Fusion

2013-01-24 Thread Edmund Storms
This type of hot fusion has three problems that have not been solved or even widely acknowledged. 1. The fusion is between D+T. The tritium must be created because it is not a natural isotope. The plan is to convert the neutron flux into tritium which is fed back into the reactor.

Re: [Vo]:S.Korea Fusion

2013-01-24 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Indeed, However plasma physics is by itself interesting, so it is nice to have some big science experiments running. Science is not about profit but having fun! If plasma physicist would like really do something that could spawn profits on a long run, then they should study helium-3 fusion.

Re: [Vo]:S.Korea Fusion

2013-01-24 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jan 24, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Indeed, However plasma physics is by itself interesting, so it is nice to have some big science experiments running. Science is not about profit but having fun! Well Jouni, when over 25 billion dollars are spent, the question is who

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-24 Thread fznidarsic
Did not happen. http://20121221.tv/nasa-admits-cold-fusion-lenr-energy-revolution-2012-reupload-fast-do-not-let-this-be-covered-up/

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Jack Cole
Here is where I got the nitinol for those interested: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003R5028K/ref=biss_dp_sa1 It would certainly be something if this ended up being replicated with a beverage heater. ;) On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 24,

Re: [Vo]:S.Korea Fusion

2013-01-24 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Jan 24, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Indeed, However plasma physics is by itself interesting, so it is nice to have some big science experiments running. Science is not about profit but having fun!

Re: [Vo]:S.Korea Fusion

2013-01-24 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jan 24, 2013, at 8:06 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Jan 24, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Indeed, However plasma physics is by itself interesting, so it is nice to have some big science experiments

Re: [Vo]:Chemonuclear Transitions

2013-01-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: The proton-proton chain reaction is initiated with a strong interaction between two protons, that binds to form a diproton, the diproton then decays via weak interaction (a W boson) into a deuteron + electron + electron

Re: [Vo]:Chemonuclear Transitions

2013-01-24 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: But the proton-proton chain has its own difficulties. Here I have in mind only the beginning of the proton-proton chain, where you have p+p - 2p and then 2p - d + e+ + v. The rest of the proton-proton chain is easier to wrap one's head around in the context of LENR. Eric

Re: [Vo]:Chemonuclear Transitions

2013-01-24 Thread Daniel Rocha
I don't know what you mean by This study has no relationship to cold fusion because the same nuclear products are not formed. See page p.14, section 13. He tries to explain Rossi's reactor. See p. 18, table II. This context shows he's trying to explain CF and Rossi's reactor. 2013/1/23 Edmund

RE: [Vo]:Mainstream scientific research is looking into LENR and doesn’t know it yet.

2013-01-24 Thread Finlay MacNab
I was thinking the same thing while looking at this research. Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:29:26 -0500 From: janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Mainstream scientific research is looking into LENR and doesn’t know it yet.