RE: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread a.ashfield
Jones wrote. If you live in a country with little coal, hydro, oil or gas, 35 cents is about average. But we don't. (not to mention LENR) So why build the Brightsource plant here?

RE: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread Jones Beene
From: a.ashfield Jones wrote. If you live in a country with little coal, hydro, oil or gas, 35 cents is about average. But we don't. (not to mention LENR) So why build the Brightsource plant here? Sorry to inform you that a few places in the USA do indeed pay this rate or higher

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: Jones wrote. If you live in a country with little coal, hydro, oil or gas, 35 cents is about average. But we don't. (not to mention LENR) So why build the Brightsource plant here? You are missing the point. We have to build these things here and

RE: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell Is it worth the risk? Google apparently thought it was for a while, then they changed their minds. Maybe they will change their minds back again. Apparently, they did change their minds back again. PRESS RELEASE: Ivanpah Solar Electric

[Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Terry Blanton
From Japanese exchange MtGox, now closed. No guarantees, no insurance. Someones are out half a billion bucks. One of the largest thefts in history (excluding congressional thefts).

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
No, they had already commited their money a couple of years ago for Ivanpah. They decided to not invest anymore in solar thermal. I can slap in a 50 MW peaking solar PV field in a couple months for 1/2 the price and a year and 1/2 faster than a solar thermal plant. Obsolete technology. Period

Re: [Vo]:Homopolar generators and the truth of magnetism

2014-02-25 Thread Lennart Thornros
Hello John Berry, Yes, I am forced to write date as you say. Logic? No way. Then you ought to start with seconds when you give the time. Correct is of course /MM/DD just like the time HH/MM/SS. Another thing to pick up from Europe is the usage of 24 hour clock and to use the week number for

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread a.ashfield
Jed wrote.You are missing the point. We have to build these things here and now if we want to reduce the cost and play a future role in this technology. We cannot let China and other countries do all of RD now and then later expect to be in this business. We cannot expect the first units to

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: That is false logic. You might as well claim Tokamaks are the answer, and we should do the research here, no matter what the cost, or be left behind. The problem is of course that if the system is fundamentally uneconomic no amount of research is

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
Flat mirrors, water boilers and steam turbine manufacturing have already evolved, like the wheel On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.netjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a.ashfi...@verizon.net'); wrote: That is false logic.

RE: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread Jones Beene
From: ChemE Stewart I can slap in a 50 MW peaking solar PV field in a couple months for 1/2 the price and a year and 1/2 faster than a solar thermal plant. Obsolete technology. Period That is very short sighted. It ignores the inevitable progress and the vast possibilities for synergy in

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Flat mirrors, water boilers and steam turbine manufacturing have already evolved, like the wheel Combustion technology (fire) is by far the oldest and best developed technology, but it has made tremendous strides in the last 50 years, and there is no

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
That is not brightsource high pressure 1500 psig, Home Depot mirrors, water boiler and steam turbine technology so no, I am not short sited. You listed a hybrid PV technology to cool cells and re-use low grade heat. Big difference. On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread James Bowery
To be clear, the source of this news was a document that apparently was forged. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/25/bitcoin-exchange-mtgox-offline-amid-rumours-of-theft On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: From Japanese exchange MtGox, now

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
Even greenie weenies don't like it, in addition to avian roast http://www.greenbiz.com/blog/2014/02/19/largest-solar-thermal-plant-completed-ivanpah On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: That is not brightsource high pressure 1500 psig, Home Depot mirrors,

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: That is not brightsource high pressure 1500 psig, Home Depot mirrors . . . Would you please stop saying Home Depot mirrors. This is technically inaccurate and disrespectful. You know darn well these are high-tech, carefully engineered mirrors, nothing

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Even greenie weenies don't like it, in addition to avian roast And stop using derogatory names like greenie weenie. That is inappropriate to this forum. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
It might make a good bird feeder On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote: That is not brightsource high pressure 1500 psig, Home Depot mirrors . . . Would you

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
My tax money helped pay for it, I can call it what I want. I have designed a solar thermal plant. How any have you designed Jed? On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: It might make a good bird feeder On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Terry Blanton
What are you talking about? On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:37 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, the source of this news was a document that apparently was forged. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/25/bitcoin-exchange-mtgox-offline-amid-rumours-of-theft On Tue,

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: My tax money helped pay for it, I can call it what I want. I have designed a solar thermal plant. Since you designed one, you damn well should see these are not Home Depot consumer-grade mirrors, and you should have more respect for your colleagues who

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Craig
On 02/25/2014 02:59 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: What are you talking about? Bitcoins are an international crypto-currency which exist solely in a decentralized fashion on the internet. They allow people to send and receive bitcoins, as money, from anywhere in the world, with almost immediate

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Just one word: FUD. I don't think it is true that many BTC are missing. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/25/2014 02:59 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: What are you talking about? Bitcoins are an international crypto-currency which exist solely in a

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/25/2014 02:59 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: What are you talking about? Bitcoins are an international crypto-currency which exist solely in a decentralized fashion on the internet. They allow people to send and receive bitcoins, as money, from

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Terry Blanton
744,408 missing coins. I understand how it works. I was asking James why he said something about a forged document? I read nothing about any forged documents. There are rumors of money laundering. This comes on the heels of JP Morgan announcing their intent to launch a virtual (read

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Terry Blanton
Recently posted by the Chinese bitcoin exchange btc-e.com : BTC-e Statement regarding MtGox possible insolvency 25.02.14 17:31 from admin Dear BTC-e.com participants, We are concerned by MtGox shutdown and would like to assure you that: 1. MtGox losses do not affect account balances or the

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread James Bowery
Today's ruckus started with the anonymous posting of this document: http://www.scribd.com/doc/209050732/MtGox-Situation-Crisis-Strategy-Draft The veracity of the document has not been established and there are reasons to believe it is not authentic. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Terry

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
The technology of hundreds of thousands of flat mirrors pointed across hundreds of acres at a water boiler hundreds of feet in the air cycling at thousands of lbs pressure is obsolete. The MIT PhDs need to go work in a power plant and not just do an energy balance. It is capital intensive,

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Craig
On 02/25/2014 03:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: So I've heard. Ummm . . . What was that again are you talking about? I still don't get it. I have heard it is evil but I wouldn't know. See: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/28/bitcoin-is-evil/ - Jed Well, it's a political issue to call

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread James Bowery
My take on the document is that it makes no sense for the following simple reason: If you take a look at the page that says Financial Assets and Liabilities, they list their Bitcoin assets as 2,000 and the Bitcoin liabilities as 744,408 all of which they count as theft that took place over a 5

Re: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice

2014-02-25 Thread mixent
In reply to Kevin O'Malley's message of Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:18:05 -0800: Hi, [snip] All: I found an interesting Cold FusionTheory Wiki http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory It's a start, at least. Over the years I have provided many examples of how Hydrinos could result in fission

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: My take on the document is that it makes no sense for the following simple reason: If you take a look at the page that says Financial Assets and Liabilities, they list their Bitcoin assets as 2,000 and the Bitcoin liabilities as 744,408 all of which

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread James Bowery
What is sensible about not noticing that you were being robbed of a significant portion of your assets for years on end? The Wall Street debacles were nothing like this. Those were market bubbles. While there may be a market bubble popped by this the thing popping it is this theft. Perhaps

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
BTC-e is not chines but Bulgarian. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Recently posted by the Chinese bitcoin exchange btc-e.com : BTC-e Statement regarding MtGox possible insolvency 25.02.14 17:31 from admin Dear BTC-e.com participants, We are

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Bitcoin will be 1 Million dollars by 2019. And it is not evil. It is a revolutionary technology. Look it up. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.comwrote: BTC-e is not chines but Bulgarian. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Bitcoin will be 1 Million dollars by 2019. Until a 16-year-old Russian Hacker gets into the bank, the way one got into the Target credit files. A week after that, the Bitcoin will be worth $14.38. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread James Bowery
There are two layers to the Bitcoin infrastructure: The wire-transfer/public ledgers. The exchanges. The wire-transfer/public ledger software is compact and highly vetted. The exchanges are just websites. The exchanges are not necessary. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Craig
On 02/25/2014 07:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com mailto:gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Bitcoin will be 1 Million dollars by 2019. Until a 16-year-old Russian Hacker gets into the bank, the way one got into the Target credit files. A week after that,

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: There is no bank. There are over 100,000 nodes maintaining a shared public ledger as to who owns what. Every time a transaction is made, it goes into the public ledger. Whatever there is or is not, someone walked off with 700,000 units of it, if this

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Whatever there is or is not, someone walked off with 700,000 units of it, if this report is accurate. That's worth $70 million, or maybe it is worth $7 million, or maybe it is worth nothing. Go to btc-e.com. Currently

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Terry Blanton
According to the current blockchain https://blockchain.info/charts/total-bitcoins there are 12,400,000 units in circulation representing a lot of money. Google mining bitcoins. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Jed

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Terry Blanton
You can mine your own bitcoins using an application specific integrated circuits http://www.amazon.com/ASICMiner-Block-Erupter-USB-Sapphire/dp/B00CUJT7TO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1393380571sr=8-2keywords=bitcoin+asics You should really study this Jed. It's sorta free money. Next we will talk

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Terry Blanton
Litecoin is an improvement over bitcoin. Every holder of a litecoin wallet maps the blockchain. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: You can mine your own bitcoins using an application specific integrated circuits

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Terry Blanton
That's $6.9B in mined bitcoins. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: According to the current blockchain https://blockchain.info/charts/total-bitcoins there are 12,400,000 units in circulation representing a lot of money. Google mining bitcoins. On

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Terry Blanton
I've studied bitcoin and litecoin for several months now. Both have wiki articles which take a while to understand what's going on. You create the coins by solving encryption puzzles. As more coins are mined, the puzzles get more complex. Bitcoin has been around for a while and are very

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Craig
On 02/25/2014 08:58 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: As Krugman says, To be successful, money must be both a medium of exchange and a reasonably stable store of value. BitCoins fail #2 because the value fluctuates and also, apparently, because they are not secure against theft. - Jed The only thing

RE: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Impressive! It's supposed to be analogous to mining gold. The minimum value is determined by the value of the effort to extract it ( man-hours or power equivalents, etc. ). That's why they call it mining. That sets the lower limit on its value and prevents much inflation -- brilliant. What I

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: The only thing that bugs me about your statement is that you think bitcoins are not secure against theft. They are, in fact, as secure as you make them. It's not a Bitcoin flaw. Oh yes it is. The problem is built into the BitCoin origin in

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Terry Blanton
Well, I can tell you that the Bilderbergers DO NOT LIKE BITCOIN. LOL!

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net wrote: Impressive! Virtual Currencies (VC) allow anonymous transactions. Look up Silk Road. People were buying drugs of all sorts. Today people have bought houses with bitcoin. Banking hates it. China banned bitcoin

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net wrote: It's supposed to be analogous to mining gold. The minimum value is determined by the value of the effort to extract it ( man-hours or power equivalents, etc. ). That's why they call it mining. That sets the lower limit on its value and

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Eric Walker
The recent Mt. Gox development is fascinating to watch. Some important details: - There's no hard evidence at any point that anyone has lost their bitcoins. Bitcoin transactions are permanently recorded in a distributed ledger, whose distributed character makes it quite difficult to

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Terry Blanton
It's an exchange. It could be embezzlement.

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread H Veeder
Might the mechanical telephone will make a comeback? Probably not since all communication seems to be going wireless these days. But who knows... Pulsion Telephone Company certificate and ad from 1889 http://scripophily.net/imputesecoma.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_can_telephone For a

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-25 Thread H Veeder
Do you know about the Earth's natural Schumann Resonance? There is a theory that life evolved so as to become adapted to it and our EM broadcasts are interfering with this adaptation. Harry On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:48 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't say cell phones were

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-25 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
It is not possible. Bitcoin network itself is not hackable as credit cards are. The vulnerabilities are in centralized places like exchanges that do not take precautions to protect customers accounts (as cold wallets). A network is very resistant to attacks like this. Look what is happening to