[Vo]:Be a curling stone!

2012-01-02 Thread Harry Veeder
Why a curling stone curls remains controversial. Yes there are computer models which generate similiar trajectories, but they rest on assumptions of melt water, and other scientists who research ice tribology find no evidence that ice melts at the associated temperatures and pressures. I believe

Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2012-01-01 Thread Harry Veeder
lol Harry On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:51 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Not good Harry, change it somehow.  Since Marry and I got engaged I am a whole lot happier.  Not even Jones upsets me any more. I predict I will spend another year alone. Happy New Year y'all. Harry

[Vo]:Electromagnetic Composites at the Compton Scale

2012-01-01 Thread Harry Veeder
Electromagnetic Composites at the Compton Scale http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1110/1110.0034v1.pdf I. INTRODUCTION In recent years there have been a number of experimental observations that are dicult to explain within our nowstandard models of atomic and nuclear physics and cosmology.

Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2011-12-31 Thread Harry Veeder
I predict I will spend another year alone. Happy New Year y'all. Harry On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: I predict that LENR will see enormous growth and even a see real publication in a peer reviewed journal. I think that transmutations will

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread Harry Veeder
I am told by cold fusioneers (as WL calles them) that the WL theory makes many wrong predictions. You will only hear from WL the correct predictions. harry On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:38 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Lewis Larsen considers some of the criticisms of LENR theory by CF

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread Harry Veeder
It is unfortunate that WL refuses to acknowledge the many difficulties associated with their own theory. harry On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I am told by cold fusioneers (as WL calles them) that the WL theory makes many wrong predictions. You

Re: [Vo]:FYI: How to Describe Electromagnetic Momentum Density in Matter

2011-12-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Notice this was all resolved using calculations and computers. Now we need not worry making materials that do not conform to physical law. ;-) Harry On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: FYI: just a heads-up for the theorists in the group… -Mark

[Vo]:Update from Thane Heins: Electric Scooter Project Video #4.

2011-12-29 Thread Harry Veeder
Electric Scooter Project Video #4. http://youtu.be/lcfUoS30LgM Harry

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-27 Thread Harry Veeder
McKubre now acknowledges his 23.8 KeV was in error. Harry On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: It is not theory, it is experimental result.  Go to: http://www.lenr-canr.org/ and enter Miles helium and McKubre helium. On Dec 27, 2011, at 8:00 AM,

[Vo]:Happy Holidays

2011-12-25 Thread Harry Veeder
The Magic of Christmas (as drawn by children) http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.251839494882181.61350.113366232062842type=1 Harry

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:13 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Continuing the discussion of the mathematical modeling proposed for the October 6 experiment, my informant, who still prefers to remain anonymous, remarked that the examples suggested by Jed and others (nails, anvils and the

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: In Rossi's case, trying to maintain a low profile is a delicate business tactic that has limited shelf life. Yup. It is a delaying tactic. [This]

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:  A plausible method of fakery is not evidence of fakery. Obviously not. But heat, by itself, is not evidence of a nuclear reaction

Re: [Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: Are you seeing the ads?  Especially on: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59132.html I am seeing the ads on both a Mac G5 running IBM RISC chips using Safari, and an Intel based Win 7 system using

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on National Instruments

2011-12-23 Thread Harry Veeder
Earlier this year Rossi made similar glowing remarks about the professors from Uppsala University. Is he working with them today? No. Harry On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=15#comment-155608

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on National Instruments

2011-12-23 Thread Harry Veeder
if it meant the individual E-Cat modules were running at 25% of rated output. AG On 12/24/2011 1:27 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Earlier this year Rossi made similar glowing remarks about the professors from Uppsala University. Is he working with them today? No. Harry On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Re: [Vo]:Krivit goes Berserk against Cold Fusion research to promote WL theory.

2011-12-22 Thread Harry Veeder
The background to this story is that Mitchell lSwartz does not approve of Jed Rothwell and Ed Storms content policy for the LENR library. They have said they prefer to include papers in the library which will raise the credibitily and respectability of the field ( and I don't just mean they prefer

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-22 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: The public needs to be informed so that we will have the capacity to demand this technology, and not let it be derailed again.  What do you think is the best way to do this? Seek out mainstream journalists and explain to them why this

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Colin Hercus colinher...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jed, Google have published some details of their algorithm and that's pretty much how it works. If they want to do say English/Italian translation they find a lot of text (books, menus etc.) that exist in both

Re: [Vo]:Krivit goes Berserk against Cold Fusion research to promote WL theory.

2011-12-22 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: The background to this story is that Mitchell lSwartz does not approve of Jed Rothwell and Ed Storms content policy for the LENR library. He may have said that, but we do

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-22 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: You're more likely to be able to purchase an invisible unicorn than a single e-cat to test. Do I get my choice of colors? T Tinker Bell can see

[Vo]:Slightly off topic: The Future of Public Libraries

2011-12-21 Thread Harry Veeder
Are Maker Spaces the Future of Public Libraries? When was the last time you went to the library looking for a book? How about a 3D printer? The Fayetteville Free Library, a public library in upstate New York, plans to offer its community both options: A traditional, book-filled library, and a Fab

Re: [Vo]:A competent observer's assessment of Defkalion

2011-12-21 Thread Harry Veeder
Plausible deniability is the 'modus operandi' of the zealous skeptic. Harry On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: With meteorite sightings you have many witnesses in many countries. The path of the meteorite can be traced sometime (if the witness

Re: [Vo]:A competent observer's assessment of Defkalion

2011-12-21 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Plausible deniability is the 'modus operandi' of the zealous skeptic. Ah, but this is implausible deniability. Santostasi will not believe it until every amateur enthusiast

Re: [Vo]:A competent observer's assessment of Defkalion

2011-12-21 Thread Harry Veeder
they need to do to justify their claims. Giovanni On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Plausible deniability is the 'modus operandi' of the zealous skeptic. Harry On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Vo]:A competent observer's assessment of Defkalion

2011-12-21 Thread Harry Veeder
The staff? http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/7.1684.1323189515!/image/ehrsson.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/ehrsson.jpg harry

[Vo]:OT: resonance: music of the goblets...

2011-12-20 Thread Harry Veeder
http://youtu.be/QdoTdG_VNV4 Harry

Re: [Vo]:unsubscribe

2011-12-18 Thread Harry Veeder
That is a great idea. I'm leaving too. Correa was right. The Vortex list does not live up to its ideals. Harry On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Dusty Bradshaw d_bra...@bellsouth.netwrote: unsubsribe -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux

Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

2011-12-17 Thread Harry Veeder
Thane posted a new video on dec.14. He says he is going to install the prototype shown in an electric scooter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dme4bW2fPhQ Harry On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I think I've watched all of Thane's vids and from

Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

2011-12-17 Thread Harry Veeder
expresses his belief quite openly and I say good for him. Harry On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Thane posted a new video on dec.14. He says he is going to install the prototype

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-16 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 December 2011 21:24, Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: How much government spending goes to the richest 1%?  Very little, I think. This is the very problem of current socialist policy. However, if we

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

2011-12-16 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: On 11-12-16 06:07 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Following this line of reasoning, it is logical to assume that MY is more likely than not a male. I

Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

2011-12-16 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: MY wrote: I know of no properly demonstrated violation of Lenz law.  Such a violation would also violate COE and Newton 3.  That's rather

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Harry Veeder
Geocentrism took over 1000 years to debunk. The Law of CoE might take as long to debunk. Harry On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any examples of pathological science persisting 20 years

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

2011-12-15 Thread Harry Veeder
Archeologists concern themselves with the reconstruction of cracked pots. Crackpots have fragments of insight. Harry

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: You'd better hope it's not, says the water in my toilet, the water in the sewers, the water exposed to toxic metals in mines, and the water used to clean slaughter houses, after accidents, in mortuaries and infectious

Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

2011-12-15 Thread Harry Veeder
MY wrote: I know of no properly demonstrated violation of Lenz law. Such a violation would also violate COE and Newton 3. That's rather unlikely, at least on any macro scale for any appreciable time period -- or the universe would not be the way we see it. Are you trying to convince me or

Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

2011-12-13 Thread Harry Veeder
day I hope to see this test performed. Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Dec 12, 2011 9:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load Hopefully it will become free energy device. Dozens of amateur

Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

2011-12-13 Thread Harry Veeder
there is a difficulty in reading the true power output and input. Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2011 12:53 pm Subject: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load acceleration under load effect

Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

2011-12-13 Thread Harry Veeder
Please remember that the impluse required to produce a jump in angular velocity is not the same as the torque required to produce a steady angular acceleration. Harry On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Robert Leguillon

Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

2011-12-13 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Robert Leguillon 2) Shorting the coil does create a collapsing magnetic field. The time constant of the collapsing field is proportional to the resistance to electrical current. If the shorted coil collapses at just the right speed w.r.t. the disk rotation,

[Vo]:Kullander: detailed isotope analysis by Christmas?

2011-12-12 Thread Harry Veeder
The Sven Kullander eCat Talk. http://ecatnews.com/​?p=1416 “He (Kullander) was puzzled by the presence of natural copper in the ash, but a detailed isotopic analysis is expected to be ready for Christmas”. harry

Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

2011-12-12 Thread Harry Veeder
Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2011 12:53 pm Subject: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load acceleration under load effect, by deepcut66 http://youtu.be/vBDOOSOhbz0 The previous setup had physical limitations although

Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

2011-12-12 Thread Harry Veeder
Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2011 12:53 pm Subject: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load acceleration under load effect, by deepcut66 http://youtu.be/vBDOOSOhbz0 The previous setup had physical limitations although

Re: [Vo]:Rossi plans to muzzle the university project for at least a year

2011-12-11 Thread Harry Veeder
Rossi did not even answer the question. lol Harry On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Francesco Fiorenzani December 10th, 2011 at 10:03 AM Dear Andrea Rossi In your opinion the collaboration with University of Bologna will start before the next March or

[Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

2011-12-11 Thread Harry Veeder
acceleration under load effect, by deepcut66 http://youtu.be/vBDOOSOhbz0 The previous setup had physical limitations although it was excellent for demonstrating the AUL [acceleration under load] effect. This setup lends itself better to harnessing the effect for power-generation. I've done away

Re: [Vo]:Romney: Hot For Cold Fusion?

2011-12-09 Thread Harry Veeder
If Romney wants to get elected he should NOT shy away from this. Harry On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: On 11-12-09 02:27 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:13 PM, David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.com  wrote: Look like Romney

Re: [Vo]:Romney: Hot For Cold Fusion?

2011-12-09 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: I believe in laboratories, looking at ways to conduct electricity with -- with cold fusion, if we can come up with it. It was the University of Utah that solved that. We somehow can’t figure out how

Re: [Vo]:Romney: Hot For Cold Fusion?

2011-12-09 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Ha! I'll bet that's what he had in mind. Still, he mentioned U. Utah. Yeah, he mixed his metaphors! T Oh sure, and the T is short for TINKERBELL. harry

Re: [Vo]:Resonance

2011-12-08 Thread Harry Veeder
I have suggested a few times that is might prove useful to model cold fusion processes using liquid drops. Liquid drop models of nuclear fission were helpful in the the early years of fission research. Although in the case of cold fusion I think the drops should be treated as non-newtonian

[Vo]:MSNBC reports on Rossi visit to Massachusetts

2011-12-06 Thread Harry Veeder
Idea of a cold fusion plant in Massachusetts explored Italian investor meets with scientists, state officials to pitch controversial technology http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45557227/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/idea-cold-fusion-plant-massachusetts-explored/#.Tt3c0lbbDRQ harry

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement, “Resonance is very much a part of brute force physics.” I think I need to

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-04 Thread Harry Veeder
I propse that the primary motive force responsible for the tracks in the CO2 mist is not an air stream impacting on the mist. An air thread serves as an electrical bridge, but it is the local charging of the mist and the subsequent self repulsion among the charges that is primary force behind the

[Vo]:OT:MiB

2011-12-04 Thread Harry Veeder
NASA satellite hits car... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgTyiaDmytwob=av3e Harry

Re: [Vo]:translation

2011-12-04 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: If Rossi's operations are, as it sometimes seems, similar in nature to Steorn's, then it may be sometime before he does another inconclusive demonstration of some type -- if there even is another.  Steorn, in their now

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Am 03.12.2011 16:20, schrieb Horace Heffner: I suggest that the dark zone at the tip of the needle is not due to a vacuum there. It is more likely due to the average delay for recombination of the ions and electrons.  

Re: [Vo]:Rossi clarification on Bianchini

2011-12-03 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Electrical power was not continuosly recorded in most of rossi's tests. In the Oct. 6 test, which is

Re: [Vo]:desktop hot fusion concept

2011-12-03 Thread Harry Veeder
2011/12/3 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de: Am 03.12.2011 22:14, schrieb Harry Veeder: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Peter Heckertpeter.heck...@arcor.de  wrote: I believe there is a vacuum for these reasons: 1) I placed a charged needle 1-2 cm above a water surface. The air blow

Re: [Vo]:Rossi clarification on Bianchini

2011-12-02 Thread Harry Veeder
Only the science of instrumentation should be bound by the laws of physics. Harry On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: It is

Re: [Vo]:Next customer -- public, NE USA

2011-11-28 Thread Harry Veeder
visitable by the qualified public who qualifies? harry On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Andrea Rossi November 28th, 2011 at 6:48 PM November 28th, 2011 at 6:48 PM Dear Herb Gills: Today we sold in the USA a 1 MW plant which will go to a normal Customer.

[Vo]:OT: Google obeys the law the gravity

2011-11-27 Thread Harry Veeder
Google falls down http://mrdoob.com/projects/chromeexperiments/google_gravity/ (no naked protons here) Harry

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Harry Veeder
I don't know about you, but I come here for the naked protons. Harry On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Terry, I'm shocked. Yes, the f-word offends me, too.  I was only trying to

[Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:50 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Natural laws cannot been patented. I think natural laws should be patentable. They result from human effort and they are useful whether are not deemed to be objectively true. A patented natural law would not prevent people from

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:50 AM,  peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Natural laws cannot been patented. I think natural laws should be patentable

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Am 25.11.2011 18:57, schrieb Harry Veeder: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:50 AM,peter.heck...@arcor.de  wrote: Natural laws cannot been patented. I think natural laws should be patentable. They result from human

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
I would argue that the law of nature known as the conservation of momentum is a specific implementation of the force of nature known as the property of inertia. Of course, since the law of CoM has been in the public domain since the 19th century, it would not be patentable today. The question is

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
I meant since the 18th century or even earlier. On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, since the law of CoM has been in the public domain since the 19th century, it would not be patentable today. The question is really about future laws. Harry

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
I wrote: The natural laws form a map of the universe. The map is not the territory, so just as owning a map is not the same thing as owning the terrority, owning the natural laws does not mean you own the whole universe. humm ... the grand narrative for interpreting natural law was

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

2011-11-24 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: This is like saying that because a theatre gradually filled with people over two hours it is implausible to believe the same theatre emptied

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

2011-11-24 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I understand why Rossi does not want tests. He is trying to keep his results ambiguous. However, until he decides to allow tests, he should not visit elected officials and waste their time. He should not waste

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi Interview Questions

2011-11-23 Thread Harry Veeder
Rossi has consistently stated that he does not like playing bones with other people's money which is very commendable. However, it is not commendable of him to use scientific associations to promote interest in his ECAT, and refuse an independent evalusation of the ECAT's performance. Rossi

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

2011-11-22 Thread Harry Veeder
This is like saying that because a theatre gradually filled with people over two hours it is implausible to believe the same theatre emptied of people in minutes after a fire alarm. However it is only implausible based on the assumption there is only one entrance/exit or the entrance/exit is

[Vo]:Ex-Chancellor backs Philip over attack on wind farms which Duke described as 'absolutely useless'

2011-11-22 Thread Harry Veeder
Ex-Chancellor backs Philip over attack on wind farms which Duke described as 'absolutely useless' By Tamara Cohen Last updated at 12:17 PM on 21st November 2011 Former Chancellor Lord Lawson yesterday led the backing for Prince Philip after he branded wind farms ‘absolutely useless’. In a

[Vo]:OT: The Genius of the Crowd by Charles Bukowski

2011-11-20 Thread Harry Veeder
The Genius of the Crowd by Charles Bukowski (poetry reading) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPzWLPAxn1o Harry

[Vo]:The Myth of the Boiling Point

2011-11-20 Thread Harry Veeder
http://www.hps.cam.ac.uk/people/chang/boiling/ begin quote We all learn at school that pure water always boils at 100°C (212°F), under normal atmospheric pressure. Like surprisingly many things that everybody knows, this is a myth. We ought to stop perpetuating this myth in schools and

[Vo]:Modern theories of boiling

2011-11-20 Thread Harry Veeder
begin quote Modern theories of boiling In the traditional theory of boiling in physics and physical chemistry, the boundary between the liquid state and the gas state is sharply defined as the line on which the vapor pressure (function of temperature) reaches the level of the external pressure.

[Vo]:Condensation Model of Cold Fusion

2011-11-20 Thread Harry Veeder
The recent discussion about water drops in steam has me thinking about how cold fusion might come about. Consider that the process of condensation releases heat. Cold fusion might be like a process of condensation where a small drop and large drop fuse to form a larger drop. ( H nucleus + Ni

Re: [Vo]:Steam Quality Revisted -- Kettle Boiler

2011-11-19 Thread Harry Veeder
If the same water is _theoretically_ supposed to boil at the same precise temperature at a given pressure, I just don't understand how water can _theoreticallly_ survive as a liquid drop while surrounded by steam which is above the boiling point. In other words, the theory that the same water

Re: [Vo]:Steam Quality Revisted -- Kettle Boiler

2011-11-19 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Am 19.11.2011 22:56, schrieb Harry Veeder: If the same water is _theoretically_ supposed to boil at the same precise temperature at a given pressure, I just don't understand how water can _theoreticallly_ survive

[Vo]:Still faster than light...

2011-11-18 Thread Harry Veeder
New results show neutrinos still faster than light 01:09 18 November 2011 by Lisa Grossman One of the most staggering results in physics – that neutrinos may go faster than light – has not gone away with two further weeks of observations. The researchers behind the jaw-dropping finding are now

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-17 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: So, if you trust the reported *measurements*, then they are consistent with no excess energy at all. You have to trust their *assumptions* to get a lot of excess energy. And their assumptions are highly implausible,

Re: [Vo]:Blank Run Protocol

2011-11-17 Thread Harry Veeder
The only reason to do a blank test is to test the competency/honesty of the experimenter. harry On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Easiest and most useful way to do blank test is that there are two eCats running in parallel. First eCat is running

Re: [Vo]:Blank Run Protocol

2011-11-17 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: The only reason to do a blank test is to test the competency/honesty of the experimenter. A blank test can be faked as easily as any other, so it would not test the honesty

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-17 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: So, if you trust the reported *measurements

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-17 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If you came from a community that did not use levers and never developed the rudiments of lever science, how would you react upon hearing

Re: [Vo]:Ahern to announce LENR findings on December 7 in New York City

2011-11-17 Thread Harry Veeder
This link http://citi5.org/launch/?p=1833 gives this link at its source http://e-catsite.com/2011/11/17/rossi-rival-to-announce-cold-fusionlenr-findings/ which in turn gives this link as its source: http://citi5.org/launch/?p=1826 an almost circular reference Harry On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-17 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi claims his device produces more energy (in the form of heat) than it consumes (in the form of electricity). This is a performance claim

[Vo]:LENR library query

2011-11-16 Thread Harry Veeder
Jed, Do you have this italian paper in the LENR library? http://www.22passi.it/downloads/2-CHIMICA%20E...MISTERI.pdf Harry

Re: [Vo]:Detailed exposed of the e-cat scam.

2011-11-16 Thread Harry Veeder
Rossi and Ampenergo, or the the people behind Ampenergo at any rate, are not strangers. He has known them since the late 90s. Harry On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Steven

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

2011-11-15 Thread Harry Veeder
save your fingers too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zE1LbC4Fvs harry On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:31 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of the keyboard banging could be avoided if folks would simply preface their comments with 3 attributes: Business vs Science viewpoint

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Both Rossi and Defkalion are doing their best to keep all the decision making in their own hands and out of the hands of their propagandist detractors. Could you be kind enough to define propagandist detractors and how it

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Harry Veeder
I bet they keep you dying from boredom. Harry On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: You have the attitude of a hostile witness. My unicorns make me testy.  They're invisible and keep playing mean tricks on me.

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

2011-11-14 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: I find much about Rossi laughable and the whole ongoing story is immensely amusing.  That's true regardless of how it turns out. Well, the design of the

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

2011-11-14 Thread Harry Veeder
I can forsee a time when thermal energy production on the planet might be limited by law to prevent global warming. By then the Earth will a preserve and most people will live off-world. Harry On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:15 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Bombshell - Orbo was all a sign error!

2011-11-13 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:27 AM, jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote: On 11/13/2011 2:57 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: I have a print-out of Steorn's report dated Oct. 31, 2008. At the moment I can't locate the pdf file, but I downloaded it from their website two or three years ago, and the name Mr

[Vo]:Letters to the Senate request hearings on DOE and USPO.

2011-11-13 Thread Harry Veeder
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/ Letters to the Senate request hearings on DOE and USPO. November 10, 2011 tags: cold fusion, DOE, LENR, Senate Energy Committee, USPO by Ruby Carat This past week Cold Fusion Now sent letters to all the US Senators on the Energy Sub-Committee requesting

[Vo]:Ruby Carat speaking at a TEDx event on cold fusion

2011-11-13 Thread Harry Veeder
Ruby Carat ( 'Cold Fusion Now' Blogger) will be speaking at a TEDx event in Ft.Lauderdale, Florida December 10. Harry http://www.tedxftl.com/speakers.html Ruby Carat Commercial Cold Fusion – The Viable Alternative Energy A new energy technology based on cold fusion science has been

Re: [Vo]:Andrea rossi: This is not yet our official website

2011-11-12 Thread Harry Veeder
The officiate annouces the website is unofficially official. Harry On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:44 AM, David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.comwrote: Andrea Rossi November 12th, 2011 at 6:22 AM Dear Italo: This is not yet our official website, contains many errors to be corrected, contains

[Vo]:OT: Impostor Syndrome

2011-11-12 Thread Harry Veeder
This must be another name for the fraud complex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome\ quote:The impostor syndrome, in which competent people find it impossible to believe in their own competence, can be viewed as complementary to the Dunning–Kruger effect

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Bombshell - Orbo was all a sign error!

2011-11-12 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 3:09 AM, jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote: On 11/12/2011 11:50 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: I think Steorn stumbled upon a real anomally but they erred in assuming that measurement alone was sufficient to demonstrate the reality of energy creation. Since there seems

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