Abd,
My take on all of this… and I’m sure Jojo is listening in…
I believe you have assembled a reasonably accurate chronology of
Jojo’s posting proclivities. However, I suspect too many within the
Collective are missing the primary reasons why Jojo’s posts what he
posts. Too many miss it because
Dave sez:
Terry can always find a way to blow our minds.
Where does a guy receive such training?
Cats.
(I'm still in training myself.)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
From Abd:
...
... Jojo shows no sign of
having the capacity to listen or to respond to that kind of good will.
Instructions:
“Repeat application on a regular basis till irritation goes away. Some
irritations take longer to heal. If irritation persists seek the
advice of a doctor as a
Jed sez:
Quoting Asimov's The Last Question
...
Sure you are. You're weak on logic, that's the trouble with you.
You're like the guy in the story who was caught in a sudden shower and who
ran to a grove of trees and got under one. He wasn't worried, you see,
because he figured when one
I agree with Jed,
I wish we could stop obsessing over what the phrase “Cold Fusion”
really means. The truth of the matter is: nobody really knows for sure
what kind of phenomenon “Cold Fusion” really represents. Big deal! Get
over it! The phrase “Cold Fusion” is nothing more than a place
holder.
I gather “chan.fusion” is accusing Mr. Rothwell of using the lenr-canr
website specifically for the purposes of a tax dodge.
Oh, give me a tax break! I think not.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
From James:
One can read these optimistic noises with only a day to go as implying
that they are delaying any public demonstration of their engine until
January's CES show in Vegas. It all hinges on the meaning of the phrase
the show as binding to the temporal context of the PowerGen show --
Just to be clear on something I recently opined. It’s one thing to
express a personal opinion of extreme doubt and suspicion, as I have
recently done. It’s quite another thing to assume one’s personal
opinion is the correct one that other’s should emulate.
If there is the slightest chance that
Terry sez:
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/youtube-video-feed/170-the-air-flow-calorimeter
With his white beard, Paul could be making a killing in the malls
right now (if he can stand the kids.)
I can tell him what I would like for Christmas! Maybe Santa will
bring us all a
From Jones:
Well... Not sure how much faith to put into this kind of story, but the sad
part is that the military could do this kind of RD - whereas the energy
sector could not even think about it due to cost and interference from
special interests - so there are scary implications that
From Vorl:
I seem to recall that Jojo has been called a 'bible fanatic' and
worse. Do you expect him to quietly put up with that kind of
insult?
If you don't like what he says, killfile him, but don't call for
his banning because of his less than gentlemanly language;
it makes those who
Chem sez:
Andre the Giant was living proof of a crossover event...
It’s my understanding Andre never had any problem finding women who
were interested in him. Therefore, Sasquatch’s “sequence” lives on!
;-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
I recently sed:
... Someone’s got to have the balls to simply say, this is enuf of
this childish behavior.
This could be misconstrued as an indirect demand on my part directed
at Mr. Beaty to ban Jojo. My apologies to Mr. Beaty. That's not what I
meant when I uttered the above statement. I
From Daniel:
Peter, Gary is a banned spammer from Vortex. He is a lunatic and
powerless. ...
Mr. Wright claims he has “…never posted on vortex, even once.”
Where did you get your claim from?
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
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www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Some more inconsequential gossip.
I see that Mr. Wright’s response to Mr. Gluck starts out with:
“Our” answer to Peter Gluck
…
I love those responses that use words like “our” or “we” to imply that
they are a big respectable organization that must be employing a
crackerjack team of
For those, like Jed, who have watched the unfolding of the
BLP/Rossi/Defkalion saga... some of it having gone on now for 20 years
or more, it is understandable that many of them express doubt and
frustration. Perhaps cynicism is an even better description to use
here.
Personally, I see
Hi Mike,
I realize that crystal ball gazing is a precarious profession, particularly
when one takes into consideration the fact that Mr. Murphy often has a
nasty tendency of paying unexpected visits to the RD lab.
Nevertheless, have you acquired any kind of a feeling as to when BLP might
Regarding the state of our souls:
All I noze is that somehow we find ourselves living... and then we die.
While transitioning between these two quantum states of existence I
finally began to realize the fact that the universe, to me, is one big
gigantic question mark, one that I will never be
Loren,
Against my better judgment I read your latest post.
Several times, I might add.
Regarding:
I know that it Is indeed quite a difficult thing for
just about everyone who reads this to think I *know*
what I'm trying to say here, but, I cannot disregard
or deny what I have continually
Terry sez:
Lately Robert Park seems to be more interested in politix than fizzix:
http://bobpark.org/
I have been unable to reach the website. Tried from two different
locations and at different times. Both failed
DId Park forget to pay the rent???
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
Terry sez:
Maybe your browser wants to see the www:
http://www.bobpark.org/
Yup! That was the problem.
I find Park's rants on political machinations much more appealing. I
suspect he should know.
Incidentally, I noticed that when Carl Sagan became acutely aware of
his own approaching
From Terry:
Thanks, Jed; but, it was not meant to be a literal, quantitative
statement. It was meant to express a general willingness to
be open toward the end.
I second that.
I have an anecdotal story regarding someone I knew who once
encountered Sagan in a casual setting. A group of
Jed sed:
Hey, I am a literal-minded guy.
Yeah, we kind'a know that about you Jed!
No offense taken.
As for Sagan, I think he got the last laugh - posthumously. I think he
got even with his superiors when he wrote his speculative novel
Contact. If one reads the novel it's pretty obvious that
From Alan,
She put up an addendum from Krivit (and alluded to posting
difficulties) -- who is peddling discredited CF vs Real LENR
--- I wonder how a particular experiment knows how to behave
depending on the belief of the experimenter.
(See the Pod and The Barrier)
Sounds similar to the
...While it appears that you don't immediately need be too
concerned about what happens 5 Billion years from now,
keep in mind that it's highly likely countless civilizations thruout
the Galaxies thruout the Universe have already out-done and/or out-lived
their Star Systems. (I realize
From Jeff:
Up in the business sense.
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/rossi-leonardo-corp-will-not-be-the-same/
Scrolling down a bit is a new Oct 25 entry, allegedly from Rossi:
This is what will happen next week:
The E-CAT is going to be the US election Game Changer.
Rossi will join
Oops! Just to be clear on this point, Rossi did NOT say that. He did
NOT say he has a planned press conference with Obama. That was pure
speculation. I should have read the statement more mroe clearly.
My apologies.
Regards
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www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Terry sez:
...
So Rossi is an Objectivist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_%28Ayn_Rand%29
Hmmm. This is going to take a while for me to read up on. ;-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
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From Jeff:
My own guess is that this comment will end up being another overwhelming
promise followed by another underwhelming delivery. It just seems to be a
pattern common to Mr. Rossi. I hope I'm wrong.
That does seem to be Rossi's prior track record - to constantly
titillate his audience.
From Alan:
That does seem to be Rossi's prior track record - to constantly titillate
his audience.
Many of his commercial hints have failed to materialize, or have fizzled
(big US company etc ..) -- but most of his technical hints have
materialized in one form or another.
Here's a perfect
Jed sez:
...
...I agree with Alan Fletcher that Rossi does tend to come
through on his technical hints. His track record is remarkably
good. His flamboyant personality gets in the way and we fail
to notice this.
Rossi is what what Rossi does. ;-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sez:
...
Despite his foibles, I really like Andrea Rossi. He annoys the heck out of
me. He is infuriating! And yet, somehow, you can't help but like him. He is
such a character. A force of nature! Like the guy in the beer ad: he is the
most interesting man in the world.
If he succeeds
From Jed:
...
... and in this case [Krivit] he publishes an e-mail from Featherstone to
himself . . .
all of which is bad form.
As the British say, it is not on. (They used to say that.) Meaning it isn't
done in polite society.
According to Krivit, this is what Featherstone asked him:
From David,
...
If you find yourself feeling too important, all you need do is consider how
large you are compared to the smallest galaxy. The universe is likely
unaware of your puny existence among the uncountable hordes that probably
inhabit it. Does that thought help you to place events
From Jouni,
...
indeed, I hope this will boost our efforts to launch second generation
planet finder after Kepler loses it's ability to maintain the direction of
vision. So that we could have direct measurements of near by planets. There
are currently no ongoing projects, however space
From David:
This is exactly what the world does not need. I can see
the patent trolls licking their lips as they contemplate
how to litigate ridiculous claims against each other and
the legitimate inventors.
Unfortunately, I suspect it is inevitable in our digital society. NTL, I
suspect we
A little mind game, if you wish. ;-)
Let me bring back an excerpt from the James Webb Space Telescope:
Webb will find the first galaxies that formed in the early Universe,
connecting the Big Bang…
However, IMO, there appears to be a huge paradox for which I suspect
most of us have been
From Terry:
They got wired yesterday:
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/68-wires-incoming
I confess that I'm educationally challenged on the significance of
what I'm viewing. Can someone give a layman's explanation as to what
these wires or filaments mean?
Regards
Steven Vincent
From Terry:
They got wired yesterday:
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/68-wires-incoming
I confess that I'm educationally challenged on the significance of
what I'm viewing. Can someone give a layman's explanation as to what
these wires or filaments mean?
It's the treated
Steven, here is Celani's report:
http://www.22passi.it/downloads/PresICCF17_NewA3A.pdf
He has tested the wire up to 900 deg C.
Got it. Printing out a HC as we speak.
Hmmm... lots of tiny print. Oh well... I still know how to read.
Thanks for indulging me Terry.
Regards
Steven Vincent
From Akira:
...
This version is better:
http://www.22passi.it/downloads/Celani_ICCF17_Trasp3.pdf
Cheers,
S.A.
Oh, Oh Look! Look at Print. Big Big print! Read read Big Print!
The dyslexic within me thanks you, Akira. Going to kill another tree now.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
Based on my own past associations with Mr. Krivt, he really likes to
bring it on. I think Krivit envisions himself as one of those scrappy
investigators that likes to stick it to his targets - like a festering
thorn. This tactic often seemed to have worked in past investigations.
However, it
Jed sez:
Krivit has felt this way with other individuals, including one
particularly vocal Vort member who begged to differ with the
investigative reporter's extensive analysis of McKubre's M4 data.
Who? Me? Krivit is silly about this. McKubre is pretty upset with him
though.
Nope! Not
terry sez:
The Red Pill:
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/429561/the-measurement-that-would-reveal-the-universe-as/
Do we really want to know?
Probably doesn't matter all that much... unless the universe is
preparaing to install a new OS within the next millennium or so.
In which case,
Quoting Clark:
Works of art would be cherished because they were
beautiful, not because they were rare.
FWIW, here's a book cover illustration presenting one of my art works
used for the front cover of the German translation of Clarke's
Profiles of the Future.
Assuming in the near future advances in robotics automation will
eventually manufacture all of our basic needs; we will be forced to
redefine what gives us value and purpose as we go about the business
of managing our daily lives. Regardless of whether we consciously
realize it or not most of us
Harry sez:
...but has Elvis has left the solar system?
;-)
Well... i dunno about Elvis, but I know where Buddy Holly resides these days:
http://www.aliveandwellmovie.com/
Regards
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www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
It's possible my recent little mini-rant gave many Vorts the
impression that I believe that the Rich and Powerful are evil
miscreants, that I believe the majority of U.S. citizens who reside in
so-called 98% under/middle class should rise up and overthrow the
alleged tyranny of the greedy, the
Since Jojo is now on my filter list this moron is fortunate to avoid
being subjected to most of his take on philanthropy, except that is
when he is copied. Granted, I must confess the fact that I was
secretly hoping to bate Jojo into responding to some of my so-called
radical opinions. ... and he
From Peter,
...
Redistribution is not a solution and it is only temporary, please
read about Mediocristan and and Extremistan in Taleb's Black Swan.
Inequality is a fundamental law of Nature, all you can do socially is minor
adjustments at the extremes, but it is not easy to act wisely.
Hi
I have the experience of 45 years of Communism and now 22 years of
nascent capitalism. The Kaltwasser Doctrine (see on my blog) applies to
both but Capitalism is definitelly better.if you like work,education and
have good inititiatives. I have learned that it is an immense difference
between
From Jed:
...
Human labor is now losing value. Robots and intelligent computers are
replacing human workers in many fields, including ones that people
previously thought could never be done by machines. Within 20 to 100 years,
human labor will be worthless.
As you have previously
Frank sez:
...
I predict that even Jed will give up within the next five years.
This, of course, is an incredibly open-ended proclamation to make. I
have no idea what you are claiming Mr. Rothwell will give up on.
It is never a wise course of action to predict the behavior of another
Jed sez:
...
It was covered with cat hairs, galvanized onto the cathode. He had a large
gray cat who spent a lot of time sleeping on the warm calorimeter power
supplies (I think it was). There was cat hair everywhere in his lab.
There is no way a cold fusion experiment can work with so much
optomal?
Whatever...
Regards
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www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Jones,
Hopefully your lack of mentioning a spoiler alert won't upset anyone here. ;-)
But yes, this was a thoughtfull film. It possessed a decent ending,
considering the unfortunate circumstances that the hero of this story
found himself in.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
Good read Terry,
IMO, these are exactly the kind of observations a contemporary more
technically acceptable religion will incorporate into the core of it's
philosophy. Strange as this might sound, a lot of these observations
appear to be compatible with Buddhist and Zen related philosophies -
From Lorenheyer:
...
Then, and only then, will THEY *know,*
(w/o question) once and for all, that our God is all truly powerfull and all
knowing, and/or has no equal. THEIR so-called religion, prophets, and/or god
will then be All Ah or All Uh, Up In The
From James:
Just out of curiosity, how long did it take them to delete this? They stay
on their toes!
2 minutes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Energy_Catalyzeroldid=512455124
Wow! That's just amazing! What dedication!
CSICOP should take notes.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
I do hope someone like the esteemed Mr. Lomax is documenting this Wiki
editing behavior. I think a book discussing the pros cons of the
Wikipedia philosophy would make for a fascinating educational
analysis.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
From Harry:
This blog called Shut down Rossi can't find any evidence that safety
certificate was issue by SGS as Rossi claims.
http://shutdownrossi.com/?page_id=1774
this is hilarious.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised. How many wannabe rossi related
websites are there now?
Regards
Steven
Jed sez:
...
I think that I know why Jouni Valkonen accused me of being a conspiracy
theorist. He did that to make me look silly or gullible. People often accuse
me of being a conspiracy theorist because in the minds of most people, a
conspiracy theorist is a paranoid person who wears a
From Jones:
...
Krivit, like it or not - has the most credibility in the field, since
Sterling is deemed as way too gullible, and the others have been mostly me
too with a few exceptions ... even if SK's standards are not sufficient for
us, here on vortex.
It seems to me that Mr. Krivit has
In my view, the point is whether Mr. Krivit can convince potential
customers that only his website contains important timely information
that could not be obtained from non-subscription websites. If that
were not the case why would anyone want to pay a subscription fee for
information already
Mixent sez:
Is it just my imagination, or is Odyssey covered in Gold foil?
Your eyes do not deceive you. It's a very common NASA practice to wrap
space craft that will be orbiting close to the sun's influence with
gold foil. In fact, if you look at photos of the original LEM, Lunar
Excursion
from Jed:
...
The difference between Celani's 21 W and Rossi's 16 kW is unimportant, in my
opinion. They are equally close to commercialization. The 16 kW looks more
impressive to people who do not understand the technical issues. The
megawatt reactor looks impressive to such people as well.
After a very thorough analysis of the status of CF reporting was
summed up by Abd, he concludes with:
And we need reporters who will look more carefully. Any volunteers?
I volunteer you.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
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www.zazzle.com/orionworks
From LORENHEYER
Heck, that's nothing... UFO's have been up in space long before Mankind's
earliest simplest lifeform ancestors were beginning to develope billions of
years ago. UFO's have not only been with US from the get-go but have been
motivating US to persue the Stars. IN fact, the most
Terry sez:
A real programmer would have called it an undocumented feature.
Back in the mid 1980s, at the Space Astronomy Lab, University of
Wisconsin, where I worked as a ground support computer programmer, we
would just say: Everything is nominal.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
From: Chemical Engineer
This is not chemistry. It is high energy particle quantum physics. I
believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a
collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of
collision. To minimize energy required, use a smaller
Thanks for the layman's explanation, Chem. I think I actually
understood much of what you were trying to describe. Having performed
numerous computer simulations that loosely involve the rules
attributed to celestial mechanics I have on occasion experimented with
incorporating additional powers
Ruby,
I think your assessment of the information situation is a good one.
The only thing I would tack on to your suggestion would be that
digital artists with science backgrounds be employed. They DO exist.
If I had the time I would avail my services. Unfortunately, I'm
currently swamped with
Rossi sez:
...
To Whom it may interest:
After the validation of the Hot Cat made on July 16th we made today another
Third Party Validation, with the Certificator: the results have been the
same of the test made on July 16th. The power of the Hot Cat is 10 kW. The
maximum temperature we
My wife and I stayed up to share in the seven-minutes-of-terror vigil.
It was 12:30 PM CST when it touched down. It was hart warming to see
the Curiosity Ground Support crew leap up in absolute pandemonium
cheering and hugging each other as signal came through confirming the
fact that the little
David sez:
I tend to consider it a prank of some type as it would be far easier for
aliens to park on the White House lawn or some similar place if they wanted
to demonstrate their presence.
Not advisable to park on the White House Lawn.
Did they get a permit? The natives are likely to start
From Abd,
...
When I was a kid, I took lots of things apart and looked at how
they were put together. Sometimes I even managed to put them
back together.
I still take things apart and look at how they are put together.
And sometimes I put things together.
Indeed, taking things apart can
http://www.e-cataustralia.com/
http://www.freeenergysystems.com/Andrea_Rossi_Discusses_The_E-Cat_Part_1/
http://pesn.com/2012/07/19/9602138_LENR-to-Market_Weekly_July19/
Thanks Hoyt,
From
http://www.freeenergysystems.com/Andrea_Rossi_Discusses_The_E-Cat_Part_1/
Ar claims:
The industrial
Ah! It's soapbox time! Let me step on top of mine!
I suspect that if the prospects of robotics and LENR, or one of the
LENR cousins, pans out in the near future the concept of what money
represents to individuals, companies, and government circles will also
have to evolve with the times. Perhaps
In any event, the current notion of austerity is nonsense and is tied to
a tired and outdated concept that money is real or has some intrinsic
real value which it doesn't. Austerity = Stupidity and I think every so
often we as a society have to go through stretches of it before we
remember
Mainly their own data, but why are you asking- do you think only independent
data = good? DGTG has reciprocal NDA with independent observers.
in the next paper you will receive these data- I also have a very strict NDA
with them.
Hi Peter,
I assume the biggest complaint that will be raised
This could be significant only if DGTG is in some trouble, however they will
demonstrate their Hyperions, get them on the market and that's all. Almost
equally interesting is their
contribution to understanding of LENR
Then they will publish more data, independent ones included.
Their
From Akira:
Should we interpret this as Peter Gluck is an independent observer ?
I would like to go on record saying that if Peter really IS acting as
an independent observer, and he opines that as far as he can determine
DGT's hyperon data IS valid, I certainly would be far less inclined to
From CE
SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS - Tuesday, July 17th 9p | 12a ET
Cold Fusion Is Hot Again
A report on cold fusion - nuclear energy like that which powers the
sun, but made at room temperatures on a tabletop, which in 1989, was
presented as a revolutionary new source of energy that promised
From Francis:
Yes - we heard that title about a year or 2 ago ..
I think this is old old info or a re-airing of same.
Originally aired back in 2009.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-4952167.html
I was wondering that as well. I'd like to believe that the CNBC
installment woudl be a new
Noone:
He is not a conman because his technology has been tested too many times
by too many people.
Jed:
I agree. But it is unnerving.
Calling Favoranti... Calling Favoranti... Please pick up phone number
six in the main lobby.
Time for a re-run:
From Axil
Things are moving very fast in LENR and is difficult to
keep up with Rossi let along surpass him.
...and from David:
The control is now far superior if the recent reports are accurate.
I suspect not everyone within the Vort Collective shares what appears
to be a new level
From Sverre:
I am not so sure. It's flat and circular with a hole in the center
like a coin. Strange meteorite...
Lost change.
https://www.google.com/search?q=stone+moneyhl=enprmd=imvnstbm=ischtbo=usource=univsa=Xei=mwzrT635JtPyqAGL8vTGBQsqi=2ved=0CGAQsAQbiw=1317bih=1064
Jones sez:
Wo …. Mystery continues to shroud over the UFO-shaped object at the
bottom of the Baltic Sea, as divers claim that their equipment stops working
when they approach within 200 meters of the circular object.
Stefan Hogerborn said their cameras and satellite phone refuse to work
Terry sez:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drumlin
We got lots of'em in Wisconsin.
No holes in any of'em however.
Regards
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www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Thank you Peter,
Enjoyed reading it.
You give me the impression that you feel reasonably confident in
DGTG's claims. What do you base your sense of confidence on? Just
curious.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Yes indeed! I see several anonymous postings. That was fast.
You're an old war horse. I'm sure you know how to kick back.
You mentioned you got some data from DGTG. I gather you were not
given permission to post that data.
So, DGTG suggests they might have something to show in another two or
From Terry.
Post it in docs.google.com
I finally posted my scribblings under the subject thread: Groking
CoAM, Kepler and Rossi as a txt file. Nothing appears to have gotten
terribly garbled.
BTW, I noticed that Google is upgrading docs.google.com to drive.google.com
Under new management.
From David,
... Further, they might conclude that finding this form of communications
is the simplest test of intelligence which would warrant further contact
Careful what you wish for.
Speciously Packaged Alien Messages, aka: SPAM
Especially during the election season. Who represents us?
Thanks for the post Jones.
http://www.synfuels.com/Plant.html
It seems to me that most corporate business models follow
methodologies that closely resemble the theory of evolution.
Businesses fight for survival out in the Serengeti Plains populated by
fickle consumers - prey. They survive by
Perhaps we, or more specifically, our gene pool, is considered
something akin to a game preserve by many species out yonder. Future
selves (containers?) occasionally coming back to sample the
indigenous DNA of their ancient ancestors. Such a hypothesis would
certainly make more sense as compared
Jed sed:
I have a similar set of quote for the canals that governments
were building all over Europe and the Erie canal in 1817, and
the railroads they soon subsidized, and the Transcontinental
Railroad built with Uncle Sam's loans in the 1860s, and later
the transatlantic cable (mainly a
From Jed,
See:
http://rossifocardifusion.com/
These guys definitely have a lot of time on their hands! Lots of
snazzy graphics! I hope it isn't all just smoke and mirrors.
So, Jed. What do you think? Did these guys use WordPress, Drupal, or
some other concoction?
Inquiring minds want to
From Jed:
As for me, my current plans are to completely overhaul my orionworks
web site using XARA Web Designer Premium. See:
http://www.xara.com/us/products/webdesigner/
That costs $99. Probably worth it. It looks similar to WordPress. They use
the same jargon for components such as
From Jed:
...
You cannot draw conclusions about today's diet from today's longevity. To
find out if our diet is healthy and promotes a longer life, you will have to
wait 30 to 50 years. Chances are, it does not. Today's diets have
caused unprecedented high levels of obesity. Obesity usually
Oooo!
On page 32...
I want that printer!
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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