travels rapidly through materials while heat slowly spreads
out. Give the idea some thought.
Dave
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Follow vorts
When a dipole composed of an oscillation of electron and an ion encounters a
boundary cndition,a ring like circulation of current is induced in the motion
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When a dipole composed of an oscillation of electron and an ion
encounters a boundary cndition, a ring like circulation of current is
induced in the motion
will be operating at
80C.
D2
note: the Cu added to Ni (also Pt) helps in the dissociation of the H
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:24:12 -0500
From: jcol...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
With the recent
With the recent corresponding findings of both Defkalion and MFMP
suggesting the temperature needs to be 179C to initiate the reaction, I am
wondering if this may also have implications for electrolysis with nickel.
Obviously, it would be difficult to run electrolysis at a power level high
enough
systems
that work below 179 C. My demo at NI week will be operating at 80C.
D2
note: the Cu added to Ni (also Pt) helps in the dissociation of the H
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:24:12 -0500
From: jcol...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote:
With the recent corresponding findings of both Defkalion and MFMP
suggesting the temperature needs to be 179C to initiate the reaction, I am
wondering if this may also have implications for electrolysis with nickel.
From: Jack Cole
1) Brillouin Energy's method of electrolysis would seem likely to elevate
the cathode temperature 179C. Could this be a factor in Godes' success?
It is looking like there is nothing there with Brillouin. Months ago, they
received a very large grant for testing at SRI.
It is a strong field. But it falls fast, specially if the magnetized object
is tiny:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet
2013/7/26 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
That kind of field at 20 cm from the device (their claim) would be
pulling tools from across the room.
** **
Also, this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet_toys
2013/7/26 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
It is a strong field. But it falls fast, specially if the magnetized
object is tiny:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet
2013/7/26 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
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From: danieldi...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Also, this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet_toys
2013/7/26 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
It is a strong field. But it falls fast, specially if the magnetized
They meant Tesla. But what is the big deal with this?
These are dipoles. The magnetic force falls falls like ~1/r^3 at best with
the distance.
Each of these spheres have ~1T. Both structures are close. They are pretty
still at a close distance:
. My demo at NI week will be operating at
80C.
D2
note: the Cu added to Ni (also Pt) helps in the dissociation of the H
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:24:12 -0500
From: jcol...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications
the B field of an orbiting 1s electron about a H nucleus is about 12T at the
nucleus.
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:46:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
From: cheme...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Jones,
Where was that claim made?
did they mean uT
across the room.
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:45:17 -0300
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
From: danieldi...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Also, this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet_toys
2013/7/26 Daniel Rocha
Jones,
Where was that claim made?
did they mean uT?
Stewart
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
*From:* Jack Cole
** **
1) Brillouin Energy's method of electrolysis would seem likely to elevate
the cathode temperature 179C. Could this be a
Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
With the recent corresponding findings of both Defkalion and MFMP suggesting
the temperature needs to be 179C to initiate the reaction, I am wondering if
this may also have implications for electrolysis with nickel.
Obviously, it would
they were using Sm Co materials.
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:54:29 -0300
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
From: danieldi...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Because of the above limitations of passive shielding, an alternative used with
static or low-frequency fields
From: DJ Cravens
notice you only need the 179 figure to get above the Debye temp. You can
get around that by alloying the Ni with Cu and even annealing.
Dennis,
Are you using something akin to Celani's constantan alloy? Or else Monel?
Jones
]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:48:27 -0700
From:
DJ Cravens
notice you only
need the 179 figure to get above the Debye temp. You can get around
that by alloying the Ni with Cu and even annealing.
Dennis
26, 2013 12:39 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
From:Jack Cole
1) Brillouin Energy's method of electrolysis wouldseem likely to elevate the
cathode temperature 179C. Could this be afactor in Godes' success?
It is looking like there is nothing
: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
Here is some complementary information. This abstract says the Debye
temperature is higher when defects are present.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pssa.2210090108/abstract
harry
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:14 PM, DJ Cravens
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From: DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 12:54 pm
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the B field of an orbiting 1s electron about a H nucleus is about 12T at the
nucleus.
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:46
quickly. I am not sure what it would be outside a mu metal
shielded device, but I would expect not much would be available for tools
across the room.
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:45:17 -0300
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
From: danieldi...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l
-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 1:09 pm
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I did not notice external coils.
My cells often sing at a few hundred hertz (around 400) and at tens of MHz.
I was never sure if it was the reaction itself or just ringing
Ruby Carat summarizes Kim at
http://coldfusionnow.org/iccf-18-day-5-presentations-and-awards/
..
The Hyperion reactor contains a core of nickel metal foam. Heating the system
to 180 C – 849 C, the Hyperion is then triggered, after which the magnetic
field rose 0.6 to 1.6 Tesla.
Kim says,
My HV based systems are normally pulsed in the range of 0.1 to 400 Hz.
But even the old electrolysis system would give MHz signals. (bubbles)
D2
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
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From: dlrober...@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15
From: DJ Cravens
the B field of an orbiting 1s electron about a H nucleus is about 12T at the
nucleus.
Yes - but since this field is cancelled by the other electron (which
completes the orbital shell) in the molecule, it is diamagnetic. But this
brings up an important point about a
for electrolysis?
My HV based systems are normally pulsed in the range of 0.1 to 400 Hz.
But even the old electrolysis system would give MHz signals. (bubbles)
D2
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
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From: dlrober...@aol.com
Date: Fri
think that use done ca 92-94 ?? with Bockris.
Someone may want to calculate that for Ni.
D2
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
From: dlrober...@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:46:04 -0400
Interesting that you pulse some of them at 400 Hz
field generation?
Also, does this field vary strongly with time, or remain relatively stable?
Dave
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From: DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com
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yes, we tried to put in freqs into the electrolytic cells at the frequencies
they were transmitting. No real effect.You might want to look up Letts
with the f/h in nearby nano geometry.
Skipping the normal energy loss with harmonics.
Fran
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 4:12 PM
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From: DJ Cravens
the B
in misdirection to confuse us all.
Dave
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From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 6:16 pm
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Jones,
f/h, hydrino AND relativistic hydrogen
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:47 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It would not be out of line to assume that there is no relationship to the
Debye temperature whatsoever. This might just be a guess on their part.
That's exactly what I was thinking. The Debye temp might be important,
Also note that the Curie temp for nickel is 357 C. I believe above that
temperature nickel would lose any permanent magnetism. So if there is a
strong field above that temperature, I assume it would be induced from
something going on with the reaction.
Eric
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:50 PM,
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
My first inclination is to assume some form of superconductivity interacts
with the heat generation.
Superconductivity, at least of the two kinds we're familiar with, seems
like a stretch at these temperatures.
Eric
I wrote:
Also note that the Curie temp for nickel is 357 C. I believe above that
temperature nickel would lose any permanent magnetism. So if there is a
strong field above that temperature, I assume it would be induced from
something going on with the reaction.
Thinking a little more, I
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote:
With the recent corresponding findings of both Defkalion and MFMP
suggesting the temperature needs to be 179C to initiate the reaction, I am
wondering if this may also have implications for electrolysis with nickel.
This is a
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
That's exactly what I was thinking. The Debye temp might be important, or
it might be a red herring.
I think it is important. The smallest lambda phonon equal to twice the
lattice repetition width is also the
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it is important. The smallest lambda phonon equal to twice the
lattice repetition width is also the highest energy phonon.
When the lattice atoms are closest due to phonon oscillation, the Ni
electron cloud is
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
When the lattice atoms are closest due to phonon oscillation, the Ni
electron cloud is at maximum distortion. With an abundance of H atoms in a
highly excited state, the nucleii of both atoms (Ni and H) have an
increased
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes -- I was thinking of something similar. (I'm still not convinced
about the Debye temp -- is this a resonant frequency?
Just like the air in a flute:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debye_model
: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 11:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
Also note that the Curie temp for nickel is 357 C. I believe above that
temperature nickel would lose any permanent magnetism. So if there is a strong
field above that temperature, I assume it would
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:39 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Excellent point Eric. Rossi appears to operate his ECAT at much higher
temperatures than this while DGT was very close to it. I wonder if there
is significance to the difference?
Blow the flute harder than the
loss path for
the current to follow. Of course, this may not be reasonable.
Dave
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From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 11:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
On Fri, Jul
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I realize that superconductivity of the normal type is not too likely, but
the relative magnitude of the currents required to generate the large
magnetic fields suggests that resistive losses would be extreme if normal
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On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes -- I was thinking of something similar. (I'm still not convinced about the
Debye temp
:42 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:39 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Excellent point Eric. Rossi appears to operate his ECAT at much higher
temperatures than this while DGT was very close to it. I wonder
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:55 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It appears that the actual motion of the Ni and H atoms is still far
smaller than that required to breach the coulomb barrier. I would like to
find that thermal or sound alone is enough to lead to LENR, but it just
does
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:55 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It just might be possible for sound waves alone to do the job.
It's not really sound. It's quantized heat energy. When you understand
that, you realize that spin up and spin down electrons can mate if only for
a
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On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I realize that superconductivity of the normal type is not too likely, but the
relative magnitude of the currents
by a B field
and I believe that monotonic hydrogen is magnetic as well.
Dave
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From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Jul 27, 2013 12:59 am
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On Fri, Jul 26
.
Dave
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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Jul 27, 2013 12:59 am
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On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:55 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It just
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