Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-25 Thread David Roberson
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I guess I hit a touchy subject with this one. Rossi's device came up because his heat gain(6) is so low relative to, as example, DGT(20). Rossi has demonstrated a self-sustaining reaction lasting 4 hours. The ratio is infinite. Why do you say the

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Why do you say the ratio is 6? This is Rossi's claim on every question that has been posed to him. If you read his blog, you will see that he only guarantees an output to input ratio of 6 to 1 and never more. I meant that other people have

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-25 Thread David Roberson
? Perhaps the name should be modified to pertain more to the subject at hand? Dave -Original Message- From: Not Me energya...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Mar 24, 2012 11:15 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims I'd like more

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-25 Thread Not Me
? Perhaps the name should be modified to pertain more to the subject at hand? Dave -Original Message- From: Not Me energya...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Mar 24, 2012 11:15 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims I'd like more

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-25 Thread David Roberson
energya...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 8:02 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims Perhaps instead of practical I should have said economical. You were the one who started comparing the overall energy efficiency of the E-Cat to heat

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It does concern me that the ECAT performance is dangerously close to that of a high efficiency heat pump. No, it is not. It is light years away from the performance of a heat pump. There is not the slightest chance it is a heat pump. The reasons are

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I forgot to mention Reason #3 this cannot be a heat pump: 3. It works without input power (self sustaining, or heat after death). You can forget about the heat pump hypothesis. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-24 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 13:26 Samstag, 24.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims I forgot to mention Reason #3 this cannot be a heat pump: 3. It works without input power

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-24 Thread David Roberson
...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Mar 24, 2012 8:21 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It does concern me that the ECAT performance is dangerously close to that of a high efficiency heat pump

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-24 Thread David Roberson
@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Mar 24, 2012 8:26 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims I forgot to mention Reason #3 this cannot be a heat pump: 3. It works without input power (self sustaining, or heat after death). You can forget about the heat pump hypothesis. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-24 Thread Not Me
]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It does concern me that the ECAT performance is dangerously close to that of a high efficiency heat pump. No, it is not. It is light years away from the performance of a heat pump

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Jed, I know it is not a heat pump. Then why did you bring up that subject? Do you not understand that a heat pump moves heat, and must cool down a body as much as it heats up another body? I do not understand why you mentioned heat pumps and their

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-24 Thread David Roberson
of view instead of launching negative personal attacks. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Mar 24, 2012 11:45 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I guess I hit a touchy subject with this one. Rossi's device came up because his heat gain(6) is so low relative to, as example, DGT(20). Rossi has demonstrated a self-sustaining reaction lasting 4 hours. The ratio is infinite. Why do you say the ratio

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Instruments are important to science, but even more important are observations and common sense knowledge of how things work. The human senses are reliable and just as good as any instrument . . . As Francis Bacon put it: . . . But, as I said at the beginning and am ever urging,

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-24 Thread Harry Veeder
.                Dave                -Original Message-                From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com                To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com                Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 6:52 pm                Subject: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims                Thane Heins

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-23 Thread Harry Veeder
, Mar 22, 2012 2:40 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims The conversion of one form of energy into another form may involve a loss (destruction) of energy or a gain (creation) of energy depending on the type and direction of energy conversion. Even if a system

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Walker
I apologize -- I missed some of the early context for this thread. I just want address a general point or two. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:46 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The reason for the self sustaining requirement is to ensure that there are no false measurements taking

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-23 Thread David Roberson
pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims I apologize -- I missed some of the early context for this thread. I just want address a general point or two. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:46 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The reason for the self sustaining

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-22 Thread Harry Veeder
               -Original Message-                From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com                To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com                Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 6:52 pm                Subject: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims                Thane Heins continues

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-22 Thread Dr Josef Karthauser
, 2012 6:52 pm Subject: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims Thane Heins continues with his bold claims. This is the second video of four videos with a total length of 3 hours. ReGenX generator demonstration, Part 2

RE: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-22 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder In Thane Heins' system an input of kinetic energy maybe required to keep the system creating more kinetic energy, because the conversion of the created kinetic energy into electrical energy destroys the kinetic energy that was created. Yes, that

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-22 Thread Roarty, Francis X
[mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:30 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder In Thane Heins' system an input of kinetic energy maybe required to keep the system creating

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-22 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 6:52 pm Subject: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims Thane Heins continues with his bold

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-22 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder In Thane Heins' system an input of kinetic energy maybe required to keep the system creating more kinetic energy, because the conversion of the created kinetic energy into

[Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-21 Thread Harry Veeder
Thane Heins continues with his bold claims. This is the second video of four videos with a total length of 3 hours. ReGenX generator demonstration, Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrk_7MSSQMwfeature=related At 11 minutes into this video he says his device has been tested by the NRC

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-21 Thread David Roberson
hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 6:52 pm Subject: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims Thane Heins continues with his bold claims. This is the second video of four videos with a total length of 3 hours. ReGenX generator demonstration, Part 2

RE: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-21 Thread Jones Beene
: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims Thane Heins continues with his bold claims. This is the second video of four videos with a total length of 3 hours. ReGenX generator demonstration, Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims

2012-03-21 Thread Harry Veeder
: [Vo]:Thane Heins continues with his bold claims                Thane Heins continues with his bold claims.                This is the second video of four videos with a total length of 3 hours.                ReGenX generator demonstration, Part 2                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v