RE: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-02-19 Thread francis
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:06 in response to Terry Blanton, Jones Beene wrote [snip]Based on what is admittedly too little evidence my feeling is that first you want densify or convert molecules to pycno or the inverse Rydberg state which is even denser. For some strange reason the molecule does

RE: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-02-19 Thread Jones Beene
No, not relativistic. This is an interpretation of Miley, with respect to Lawandy. It is a dimensional thing. Dense hydrogen only accumulates in two dimensions. After it accumulates, it may move in 3-space as a bound unit, but the effect would be similar to the way Mills' describes the

RE: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-02-18 Thread francis
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:06 in response to Terry Blanton, Jones Beene wrote: -[snip] It would seem to me that the hydrogen molecule must first be dissociated before being robbed of its atom's electron by Ni. That would be

RE: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-02-18 Thread Jones Beene
Fran - I am working on a 'spillover' essay which may help pull some of these questions together. FWIW - It's curious that Arata was focusing on spillover 17-18 years ago, and not many people took notice. It took the progression to nano materials to really make this insight stand out.

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-02-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:45:48 -0800: Hi Jones, [snip] For instance, AFAIK - Mills does not mention clusters of hydrinos, and yet when you combine Robin's version of redundancy being the equivalent of loss of electron charge, then it makes perfect sense that dozens

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-02-18 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Robin: ... Note that as Hydrino molecules shrink, the protons get closer together, so their magnetic fields get stronger. If the magnetic field increases with the inverse cube of the distance, and the distance itself goes with the inverse square of the primary quantum number, then that

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-02-18 Thread Roarty, Francis X
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:19: Robin van Spaandonk wrote [snip]Radioactivity produces fast particles which can trigger an avalanche Hydrino creation mechanism that rapidly converts local H into Hydrinos of whatever size was originally at hand. If these are small enough to result in fusion/fission

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-02-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:20:42 -0500: Hi Fran, I suspect that my original post (a few years back) was before you joined Vortex. The mechanism I was talking about works like this:- 1) Take a well shrunken Hydrino molecule. 2) Hit it with a fast particle

[Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
Everyone now seems to be looking ahead and focusing on replication. Good. If anyone thinks that replication of this device is a “wicked problem” now, or in an abstract way, then they will learn soon that it becomes diabolical … why? The device only works with a secret catalyst, together with

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: My colleague asked Focardi directly “do you know what the catalyst is?” He said without hesitation that he did not know, and that no one except Rossi knows. Yup. That's what I have heard too. Typical of the inventor's disease. If Rossi drops dead today

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Peter Gluck
Thank you Jones! However may I have a few simple questions to you: 0) have you really read about *wicked problems* in the Wikipedia? (they are not what we say in the usual language- see Rittel et al) a) who is focusing now on replication? How can you replicate without reverse engineering and

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: e) are you absolutely sure that your friend has spoken to Focardi and not to Levi? f) and he spoke to Focardi, why should Focardi tell him a trade secret? I do not think Focardi would lie, or dissemble. He would just say I can't tell you; it is a

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jed, Let's see first if if was Focardi. So much is lost in translations! This is the reason for which- working in research I have learned the important European languages- German, Russian, French, Italian- a bit of Spanish. This was very useful for my work. I have envied you for reading,

RE: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
was first performed in conjunction with Leonardo Technologies in New Hampshire USA, and there was a small staff involved. Jones From: Peter Gluck Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem Dear Jed, Let's see first if was Focardi. So much is lost in translations!

RE: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
From: Peter Gluck have you read all the patents and papers, and have you an idea what means to replicate the results of 15 years of hard work, with so many critical parameters? I have certainly read everything in the public record, and much that is not public. And with all due respect,

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Rich Murray
The catalyst may be several elements that operate to block, bind, impede, or remove the many impurities that necessitate thorough repeated cleaning to allow the initial reaction to happen -- likely the reaction itself produces harmful impurities, so that the catalysts are needed to allow the

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jones, I like your scenario -if I understand correctly- Rossi is a real inventor who succeeded to transform a non-, or badly working device in this fine, functional generator? OK, do you have real information about that? However I would ask you to explain or to retract what you have said re

RE: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
Rich, There is plenty of room for disagreement with all of this recent emphasis on impurities. This could be a giant red herring that first appeared in a couple of Japanese papers, and seems to have gone viral. I had to laugh when it showed up in the recent Rossi USPTO application, as it looked

RE: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
Dear Peter, There must be a language problem - no offense was intended. The point is that the genesis of Rossi's work did not have any remote connection to Focardi, nor even to LENR. LENR was NOT Rossi's field of interest, until recently. This began with a DARPA grant for an

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Peter Gluck
I just came upon Rossi at the blog of my friend Steve Krivit and his variant is like yours. The situation is interesting, how would you define it in a septoe? I would say: It was a triumph, real not ideal Real has many meanings, not all very positive. Peter On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:26 PM,

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread francis
So then it seems unlikely that Rossi will release any experimental ash for analysis. The results would likely expose any spillover supports, transmuted elements and ratios thereof that would expose the pathways. Perhaps the catalyst is radioactive -acting as a trigger? Rich Murray Sun, 16 Jan

RE: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
Fran, Yes, there is little chance of getting hold of ash, same as with Mills/BLP. Anyone who looks into this deeply, and understands the Lawandy paper, can probably guess the kinds of catalysts which should work. Tests are already underway to verify the most likely possibility; and

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: After all we vorticians are not only pro bono but de Bono You too? or Edward R? It would seem to me that the hydrogen molecule must first be dissociated before being robbed of it's atom's electron by Ni. Could this

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: It would seem to me that the hydrogen molecule must first be dissociated before being robbed of it's atom's electron by Ni.  Could this catalyst assist in dissociation?  If so, could it be Pd?  If not dissociation, what

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:14:07 -0800: Hi, Everyone now seems to be looking ahead and focusing on replication. Good. If anyone thinks that replication of this device is a “wicked problem” now, or in an abstract way, then they will learn soon that it becomes

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:25:56 -0800: Hi, [snip] The big unknown, which is never mentioned by anyone else that I am aware of, is: does even slight radioactivity make a ZPE pathway more likely? I am convinced that it does, for reasons too complicated to elaborate

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:11:33 -0500: Hi, [snip] On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: After all we vorticians are not only pro bono but de Bono You too? or Edward R? It would seem to me that the hydrogen molecule must first

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:42 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Who says you are trying to ionize the Hydrogen? Not exactly accurate. If the electron capture concept is correct, then only dissociation is necessary. Further reading on my part shows that dissociation can occur on metal surfaces. I

Re: [Vo]:The Wicked Problem

2011-01-16 Thread Frank
In reply to Robin's message of Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:19 Hi [snip]Radioactivity produces fast particles which can trigger an avalanche Hydrino creation mechanism that rapidly converts local H into Hydrinos of whatever size was originally at hand. If these are small enough to result in