Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-05 Thread mixent
In reply to Alain Sepeda's message of Mon, 5 Mar 2012 01:29:31 +0100: Hi, [snip] - gamma seems to be absorbed (or supressed but no mecanism is proposed yet), and at least to be reduced in hardness, transformed in X-rays or UV, quite easily shielded by reactor or heavy materials (lead or heavy

Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-04 Thread Chemical Engineer
Axil, I appreciate your ongoing technical and logical explanations, primarily because I can understand them... My one comment about your following statement: * * *Without this radiation suppression mechanism in place and operating AT ALL TIMES, a cold fusion system is of little use.* It seems

Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-04 Thread Eric Walker
The possibility has been brought to my attention that levels of neutron emission are generally so low that it's unlikely that they can be ascribed to a LENR process. So one might want to be a little skeptical of evidence of neutrons. Eric On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Eric Walker

Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-04 Thread Axil Axil
“It seems to me that a cold fusion system with containment is still better than a hot fission system with containment, i.e. Fukushima. since a cold fusion system can cool down by itself without having to dump half the ocean on it...” This is true. But it is worth almost anything to keep the

Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-04 Thread Alain Sepeda
if you follow the Widom-Larsen theory, or similar nucleon absorption by nucleus (even hydrino is akind of neutron=e+p-v), the situation could be interpreted as : - no neutrons visible outside , because they are slower than thermal, and are absorbed early , or are not neutrons (hydrinos, protons) -

Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-04 Thread Chemical Engineer
Agree with response 1, although if there is any chance of gamma during startup/shutdown/malfunction/breach I can see the NRC wanting to be in the loop. Response 2, I have no idea. It seems like if the transmuted rare earth metal final product was clean and the economics were right, there might

Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-03 Thread Alain Sepeda
the reference of higher than background are scarce and this have been a strong arguments against LENR. from what I've read, there are some moments when the reaction seems to produce some gamma, some neutrons, but not at all at a level compatible with the excess heat, nor dangerous or even

Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-03 Thread Axil Axil
*IMHO, we have been correctly told by DGT that their LENR process is a complex one comprised of many related and interconnected but separable sub-processes which when combined together produce heat without the production of intense and long lasting radiation.* * * *I believe that their cold

Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-03 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Von: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 18:21 Samstag, 3.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate ...their LENR process is a complex one comprised of many related and interconnected but separable sub-processes

[Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-03 Thread Jojo Jaro
Does anyone know of any indication of Neutron radiation in any LENR/Cold Fusion experiment. If I remeber Levi correctly, he seems to have said that neutrons were absent in Rossi's E-Cat. Focardi also indicated that he has not measured neutrons at all. I don't recall Celani saying he measured

Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-03 Thread Eric Walker
There are reports of low but significant levels of fast neutrons above background. Charles Beaudette describes a 1992 experiment by Akito Takahashi, for example, that found neutrons being emitted from a Pd-D system. In general, however, the level of neutron emission is well below that which

[Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-02 Thread Joseph Hao
Hey Vortex Gang, My primary question motivating this post/query is to get a consensus on whether the presence of radiation is a necessary prerequisite for LENR/Cold Fusion Effects. IOW, is radiation ALWAYS present when an LENR/Cold Fusion effect occurs. On one hand, there appears to be

Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-02 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Joseph Hao jth...@hotmail.com To: Vortex Vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Mar 2, 2012 11:22 am Subject: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate Hey Vortex Gang, My primary question motivating this post/query is to get a consensus on whether the presence of radiation

RE: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-02 Thread Jones Beene
That is not correct. Many chemical and mechanical processes produce radiation well into the x-ray range - even something as mundane as Scotch tape. http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/25/science/sci-tape25 Forget a cloud chamber. You need a dedicated meter with data logging. Although

Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
to correct me. 0- Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate That is not correct. Many chemical and mechanical processes produce radiation well into the x-ray range

RE: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-02 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 9:20 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate Yes, dedicated meter with data logging together with data logging of the temperature of the reactor reactants. I plan to correlate radiation spikes with temperature spikes

Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
reversed the polarity but that does not remove the charge buildup problem. Not sure if this would work. More experiment is required. - Original Message - From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 2:04 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:To Radiate

RE: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-02 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 10:41 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate Thanks Mark. My reactor would be totally enclosed inside the cylindrical wall, which is the Ion chamber Anode. The reactor itself will be the Ion chamber Cathode. This would

Re: [Vo]:To Radiate or Not to Radiate

2012-03-02 Thread integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
Jojo, Recalled Dr. Santilli evacuated his building and property fearing harmful radiation at one stage of experimenting with unknown consequences. Either I was chatting with him about a year ago at his plant in tarpon Springs, FL or came across it in published literature. The thrust of his