; it will not be governments nor large corporations - they will only
regulate it, or refine it.
-Mark Iverson
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:45 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
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Dear Eric,
Satire and flame
Le Aug 31, 2012 à 6:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com a écrit :
The noble gas reaction that underpins the Papp engine is the most likely
reaction that works and the most promising. It must receive priority in
future LENR RD funding.
Axil, your satire and flame baiting are funny. People
Dear Eric,
Satire and flame baiting is one of the most difficult ambitions for a
writer to achieve. The reader almost always assumes that you are serious.
It is always wise the say what you mean and mean what you say.
But sometimes the opposite happens. When a serious posit is taken as
We don't know what it is. When we do, maybe resonant fusion? proton
absorption? BEC fusion
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On Aug 31, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a question with many nuances. I generally agree with Jed about
the realities and the regulatory issues.
Apple is probably secretly working on 'ifusion'.
Harry
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
We don't know what it is. When we do, maybe resonant fusion? proton
absorption? BEC fusion
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On Aug 31, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Jeff
Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote:
Yet at the same time, we have an example: the terminology change from NMR
to MRI. It was significant from perspective of consumer acceptance, and
therefore it was economically significant. If we believe LENR will be
incorporated in consumer products,
Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
Yet at the same time, we have an example: the terminology
change from NMR to MRI. It was significant from perspective of consumer
acceptance, and therefore it was economically significant. If we believe
LENR will be incorporated in consumer
This paragraph makes no sense to me:
So, the LENR term is problematic due to such serious scientific reasons.
But there is one more problematic effect from the use of such wrong
definition: Certification of products based on such technologies when named
“nuclear”, will result the involvement of
Jed,
I totally agree. Our firm designs industrial ASME certified vessels to
handle high temperatures and pressures. These vessels also have to confirm
to API and NFPA guidelines. If a customer came to us with a reactor
design that they could not define what the exact reaction kinetics were
In the field of politics and public relations, the words that are used are
tools to influence perceptions. Some words are good and some words are bad
in forming impressions and connections in people’s minds. LENR and CANR
are acronyms and contain bad words in themselves. These terms should not
If a piece of metal/wire just sits there and generates long term anomalous
heat while slooowly losing mass, which is what this is doing, let's just
call it evaporation like we do with water, sounds soothing. We might even
have RossiSauna franchises very soon.
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:38 PM,
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
In the field of politics and public relations, the words that are used are
tools to influence perceptions. Some words are good and some words are bad
in forming impressions and connections in people’s minds.
This will be 0.0001% as important as the
I imagine a discussion along these lines: Chemically Assisted
Transmutation Reaction (CATR) expert: Yes, certain chemical reactions are
known to produce tritium. Those reactions should be regulated by the NRC or
band. Those reactions use the hydrogen isotope deuterium. Chemical
reactions
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Chemically Assisted Transmutation Reaction (CATR) expert: Yes, certain
chemical reactions are known to produce tritium. Those reactions should be
regulated by the NRC or band. Those reactions use the hydrogen isotope
deuterium.
A chemical reaction cannot
Chemical transmutation, is what is going on. The physics commumity must
come to terms with this reality.
Chemically Assisted Transmutation Reaction (CATR) reactions are produced
through the action of electrons not neutrons.
The NRC regulates the use of neutrons not electrons.
If no neutrons are
The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission
The NRC is the Federal agency responsible protecting the health and safety
of the public and the environment by licensing and regulating the civilian
uses of the following radioactive materials:
- Source material
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Chemical transmutation, is what is going on. The physics commumity must
come to terms with this reality.
They all have to agree with you. Because . . . Why exactly?
Chemically Assisted Transmutation Reaction (CATR) reactions are produced
through the
*They all have to agree with you. Because . . . Why exactly?*
Because it is a truth of nature and the way the universe works.
The NRC does regulate X-Ray machines but only to insure that the radiation
produced is below the statutory limits.
If the LENR reactor is well shielded, and produces no
Byproduct material http://www.nrc.gov/materials/byproduct-mat.html (material
that is made radioactive in a reactor, and residue from the milling of
uranium and thorium)
I would think that any byproducts, even only unstable for seconds, would
trigger this.
I am just guessing
On Friday, August
If those byproducts decay and stabilize either while the reactor is in
operation, while the reactor is cooling down, or otherwise when those
byproducts are inaccessible to the operator then those byproducts will have
been considered stable upon radiological analysis and not subjest to
regulation.
terms are important for public perception, and today politician behavoir is
more related to poling than to experts...
of course LENR should be checked as not explosive, not radioactive. it
seems so, and with the unknown we could add radiation detectors to shutdown
in case of black swan... job
At 02:49 PM 8/31/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
The physics establishment is not going to throw away the definitions
of chemistry versus nuclear physics, and accept unconditionally that
there is such a thing as chemical transmutation, and that we
should not worry about the effects of that
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
As I said at ICCF17, in the whole history of the field, we have spent
roughly as much money as people spend on semiconductor RD in a single day.
I repeat: by the standards of industrial RD, cold fusion is one day old.
Brilliant comment, Jed.
Keep Your Eye on the Doughnut, not on the Hole!
Any time or money spent on Pd/D2O system is a waste and counterproductive,
yet most of the old guard cold fusion workers persist in their opinions
about Pd/D2O.
It produces tritium, neutrons and is energy poor. Relative to cool fusion,
a minuscule
blush
Don't forget the crater in the floor in Salt Lake City and the explosion in
Tadahiko Mizuno's experiment. Key on explosion in the LENR-CANR.org
search window.
We think we know what is going on. Do we?
One must remain open.
T
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
One must remain open.
When I say open, I mean that we are here assuming a single process
is in play. It is indeed possible that we see multiple quantum
reactions now that we can operate in the nano world. It is almost
pm
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
One must remain open.
When I say open, I mean that we are here assuming a single process
is in play. It is indeed possible that we see multiple quantum
reactions now
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2012 8:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:a new interview with Defkalion
blush
Don't forget the crater in the floor in Salt Lake City and the explosion in
Tadahiko Mizuno's experiment. Key on explosion in the LENR-CANR.org
search window.
We think we know what
*We think we know what is going on. Do we?*
* *
* *
* *
*One must remain open*.
I agree, being open minded is important.
It's important to not permit the SCAMS of yesterday to effect the LENR
systems of tomorrow.
The noble gas reaction that underpins the Papp engine is the most likely
I tend to agree with Axil, i think the nanopowder is a distraction if you
want to generate power. Powder may be mainly good for transmutations and
maybe heat transfer.
I think both a Papp type engine and possibly the Terrawatt Research
magnetic drive are an impulse/shock type drive with charge,
It's a question with many nuances. I generally agree with Jed about the
realities and the regulatory issues.
Yet at the same time, we have an example: the terminology change from NMR
to MRI. It was significant from perspective of consumer acceptance, and
therefore it was economically significant.
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