premises and conclusions of the IPCC story line have been undercut
by the IPCC itself.
--- On Mon, 12/17/12, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
From: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:05 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Terry sez:
It's all a matter of perspective:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q
OMG... The Score!!!
The Horror The Horror
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNzQ8gYxkIg
Good
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
For instance, everyone is convinced that one day soon a major earthquake
will hit the west coast of the US. If we applied the same logic to this
possibility as to the global warming issue, then it is time to force
everyone to move out of that area or
I meant to say that in the U.S. there are towns on the Mississippi being
abandoned and rebuilt on higher ground. This is cheaper than trying to
contain the river with dikes. Flooding is natural and people have to learn
to live with it.
Here is a news story about a town they moved uphill, two
) that it is not possible?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:54 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming
...
My understanding is that if a tipping point exists
(according to most physicists) that it is not possible?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:54 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
...
My
every
case.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming
Is not screwing with nature more than we have to, not polluting
: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
Do you honestly think that the next 20 years will be wasted if good science
is applied to the global warming problem? When I say good I mean open, honest,
evaluation
vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
Is not screwing with nature more than we have to, not polluting
indiscriminately, not interfering with a natural system more than we must
inherently the safer
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming
Dave, I have not yet read the rest of your post.
But smiled as soon as you mentioned your concern for nature.
Of course Jaro too is concerned enough with clean green energy that he produces
his power cleanly
as
required and to find solutions.
You believe.
Enough said about this issue.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
We just need a little more dark/vacuum energy increase over the next year
to cool things even more. I am expecting the sun to lob some our way next
year and cool things off further...
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
**
Here's some new data that is
Jojo:
I don't understand your passionate position on this issue. Given some evidence
either way, the only logical position is one of caution. If there is a
possibility mankind can change the climate on this planet, it seems to me we
should take some care to avoid that alternative unless
Ransom, it makes sense when you consider that there is more money in oil
than the survival of the earth and humanity.
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
**
Jojo:
I don't understand your passionate position on this issue. Given some
evidence either way,
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
Here's some new data that is worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
Obviously, since 2000 of them were right, this new data must be wrong.
This first link shows the rate of ice melting leading to the
just common sense.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Randy wuller
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
Jojo:
I don't understand your passionate position
-
*From:* Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:54 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
Jojo:
I don't understand your passionate position on this issue. Given some
evidence either
yourself from raghead oil than the amount of effort you put into promoting
it, you would have gone a long ways.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying
: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
I guess a true global temperature would
be an average over all altitudes... which may still be rising
, December 18, 2012 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
What is the worst case scenario if there is a problem and we don't do
anything about it?
What is the worst case scenario if there isn't and we do something about it?
On Tue, Dec 18
: Jojo Jaro
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
Randy,
It seems to me that before we institute measures to correct a problem, we
must first make sure there is a problem
for you.
Jojo
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*From:* John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:28 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
What is the worst case scenario
discounted and ignored and the second even if much less
certain must be considered.
Ransom
- Original Message -
From: Jojo Jaro
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
strong one it seems.
Ransom
- Original Message -
From: Jojo Jaro
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
Randy,
It seems to me that before we institute
On 12/17/2012 03:50 PM, Randy wuller wrote:
Jojo:
[...]Free markets are great and are efficient in many areas, however,
government has also proven to be a necessary and a good thing in
certain areas. If you feel differently you will probably be forever
unhappy because government
: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
All you have shown is that you can miss-apply something.
The sun going supernova any time soon is not likely.
And if it were to do so the only realistic thing humanity
of such a
hazardous living location?
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Jojo Jaro
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
John and Randy,
It did seem that my
Sol has insufficient mass to go supernova.
I stand corrected. But it will explode right? just not a super nova.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
All you have shown is that you can miss-apply something.
The sun going supernova any time soon is not likely.
And if it were to do so
wrote:
I stand corrected. But it will explode right? just not a super nova.
Jojo
- Original Message - From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess you could use this argument in other ways...
I'm not going to eat healthily because I could have a piano fall on me.
The science of what is and is not healthy isn't entirely settled.
Eating healthily seems draconian to me.
Maybe eating
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
I stand corrected. But it will explode right? just not a super nova.
Sol will become a red giant and collapse into a white dwarf blowing
off the surface layer. The earth will be consumed in the red giant
stage.
Jed, you see the problem.
None of that is profitable to oil barons.
Did the US invade Afghanistan and Iraq for oil or sand?
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess you could use this argument in other
in a system that has consistently demonstrated poor predictive power?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 4:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming
Sol has
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:39 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Terry, I understand that this is the current theory. But, like all of
science theory, it is subject to being in error.
Theory and observation.
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Sol will become a red giant and collapse into a white dwarf blowing off
the surface layer. The earth will be consumed in the red giant stage.
Sigh. So what's the point of doing anything, right? We're doomed. The good
news is that Bertrand Russell was
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Ask yourself how accurate the prediction might be? It would only take a
minor change in the radius of the sun to make it have a mass 2 times
(current super nova limit?)
Oh come now! You know better than that. Issac Newton computed the mass of
the sun
Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming
Jed, you see the problem.
None of that is profitable to oil barons.
Did the US invade Afghanistan and Iraq for oil or sand?
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
John Berry berry.joh
Jed sez:
Quoting Asimov's The Last Question
...
Sure you are. You're weak on logic, that's the trouble with you.
You're like the guy in the story who was caught in a sudden shower and who
ran to a grove of trees and got under one. He wasn't worried, you see,
because he figured when one
I wrote:
His calculation was off by roughly factor of two, but our knowledge of the
sun's distance has improved immeasurably since then, and we also know the
mass of the earth more accurately.
I should say we know the gravitational constant G more accurately.
In the first approximation you
Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Ask yourself how accurate the prediction might
G is not a constant. It is entropic acceleration. It is dependent upon the
concentration of entropy in that area of space. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Verlinde
Moon gravitational field varies widely, much higher around some craters.
Apollo missions had to take into account the
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
LOL. I guess I made a serious error is language usage. I did not mean to
suggest that the mass or radius of the sun were in question Jed. I was
just attempting to suggest that it would not take much change in radius to
place the sun within the
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 6:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming
Jed sez:
Quoting Asimov's The Last Question
...
Sure you are. You're weak on logic, that's the trouble with you.
You're like the guy
Are we sure that new stars will not be born?
If so then when could the last of those stop forming and burn out?
This is of course all based on the Big bang theory,which is not the only
theory nor the only possibility.
If you decide to listen to the minority not the majority this theory too
could
of the
moon. Both of these masses contribute to the total moon mass, but the close
by ones dominate the final tally.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000
: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming
Are we sure that new stars will not be born?
If so then when could the last of those stop forming and burn out
to
effect change.
Harry
- Original Message - From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
I guess a true global temperature would
be an average
this
from history?
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: John Berry
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
Ok, so your argument is that if you can construct
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
Harry, You said it best yourself. It may still .
Here is the paper on which
...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 6:13 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
Ok, so your argument is that if you can construct an impossible,
ridiculous 'what if'
that is completely out of our control
John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
If 1 is the case and we do nothing about it, the worst case scenario is
likely the end of most all (notable) life on earth.
I do not think the worst case scenarios are that bad. They are awful, but
not quite that bad.
If 2 is the case (what you
, December 18, 2012 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
John,
You may think that I'm being intellectually dishonest, but that's fine by
me.
You see
It's all a matter of perspective:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q
Terry sez:
It's all a matter of perspective:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q
OMG... The Score!!!
The Horror The Horror
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNzQ8gYxkIg
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 8:41 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
**
John,
You may think that I'm being intellectually dishonest
John and Jojo,
It is apparent that the two of you are not going to agree on the path to take
and therefore it would be advantageous for you to settle down and treat each
other with due respect. I am hesitant to enter into the fray because the water
is looking pretty deep and muddy.
There
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:59 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
John, you must admit that Jojo has a point about proving that a problem
truly exists before excess expense and time is dedicated to solving it.
Ok, so you are correct in that if there was no or very little and
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