What about using a lead pipe with soldered lead discs for cylinder ends for the
reactor? The H2 inlet could be 1/8 NPT pipe thread cut into one of the disc
ends. Then you get the rad shielding and heat transfer in one structure.
Might have to turn the H2 with an elbow and hang more lead over
From: Jay Caplan
Hi Jay,
*
* If this thing is actually working at 60 - 100 C., then solder should
hold.
It is running much hotter than that. There is plenty of evidence that he
could be using high temperature (hard or silver) brazing. Wide lap joints
and the 'crud' on the
From Robin,
...
Regarding the hydrino theory, my first impression would be to conclude
(with absolutely no math to back this conclusion up with) that not
enough hydrogen was consumed (into hydrinos) that would explain the
massive amount of heat recorded. I hope someone can clarify whether my
Doesn't the heater surround the copper tubing, and the red power cable attach
to the heater? Can't see how the cable would pass through the copper tubing, as
the heater is on the outside of the tubing.
J Caplan
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Thu, 7 Apr 2011
07:38:42 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Maximally shrinking 0.11 gm of H2 would therefore yield 752 kWh of energy,
about ~30 times what was actually measured. Furthermore the calculation
of the
amount of Hydrogen measured assumes
Something very fishy-smelling here ...
You DECREASE the volume by a factor of 20 and the heat only goes down by a
factor of 3. And he is just noticing this! LOL.
More Rossi BS - let's face it, this guy is deceptive, and could be
delusional. He is trying to hide something by this kind of
-Original Message-
From: SHIRAKAWA Akira
Thank you for posting this but for the record, the conclusions of Kullander
are wrong. Not just wrong but irresponsible and foolish.
First he says:
Analyses of the nickel powder used in Rossi's energy catalyzer show that
a large amount of
From Jones:
...
... There is a mundane
explanation for both copper and iron so why invent a reaction that does
not
exist?
And that speculated mundane explanation is...
Out with it!
Hydrinos?
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Passing to Kullander a well shaked mix of ni and cu powder ? Too easy ?
Just mixing ni and cu powder and giving it to *Kullander for the *
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
From Jones:
...
... There is a mundane
The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an copper is electromigration.
This is actually expected. Copper and iron are both found in the apparatus
and they migrate to the powder. For it to be otherwise, an isotopic
imbalance must be present.
Even hydrinos would result in an isotopic
On the pictures in the article:
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+report+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C3%A9n+%28pdf%29
)
it is seen that the copper tubes are corroded from the outside , probably
due to the high temperature of the reaction.
As Jones says it is very
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an copper is
electromigration.
Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There are
no fields in copper pipes as far as I know.
Kullander does say . . . it’s remarkable that nickel-58
On 04/06/2011 08:20 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
The Facts: There is evidence of the presence of copper but that is all. If
it were formed by transmutation some of it should be radioactive. In fact
there is a mundane explanation for the presence of copper
Dead on. In fact, as I recall, folks on
From Jones:
The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an[d] copper
is electromigration.
Seems like a reasonable conclusion to draw.
I must apologize for not being sufficiently clear as to what I was
really questioning: What is generating the massive amount of heat? I
gather the
On 04/06/2011 10:23 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net mailto:jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an copper is
electromigration.
Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There
are no fields in
One of the great things about this is that there is so much new
information here, it is taking me all morning to read and understand the
reports and photos. Usually, when I get a new paper, it is all stuff
that I have heard before. It is either a re-hash of previous reports, or
a repetition of
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
He *said* they measured the isotopes.
He said, specifically, the ratios for both nickel and copper didn't vary
from natural abundances: The isotopic analysis through ICP-MS *doesn’t
show any deviation from the natural isotopic composition* of
The energy release of the hydrino producing reaction is 50 MJ/mol hydrogen
gas. The prefered reactionproduct seems to be H1/4.
See http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/Eng%20Power050410S.pdf
So if 25 kWh is produced (90 MJ) this should correspond to 1.8 moles of H2
gas = 3.6 grams.
Peter
If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through
the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni?
T
-Original Message-
From: Steven V Johnson
Regarding the hydrino theory, my first impression would be to conclude...
that not enough hydrogen was consumed (into hydrinos) that would explain the
massive amount of heat recorded.
Right on! Steven. You get points for having been
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Essentially this is why I concocted the 'quark power' concept presented
recently.
I don't think you can sell the quark power theory to Hawking. :-)
T
From Stephen
...
It's more likely that Levi is in on the gag than that
transmutation from nickel to copper produced natural
isotope ratios in the ash. The former merely requires
the assumption that a few humans are acting unusually
stupid (which happens frequently). The latter requires
Stephen,
Urgent Addendum:
Just to be clear on this point, my speculation was pertaining to
whether you were now suspicious of the HEAT measurements. In truth I
must admit the fact that you seem to be questioning the isotopic
shifts, not the actual HEAT measurements. My apologies if I have
From: Stephen A. Lawrence
*
* Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There
are no fields in copper pipes as far as I know.
In the photos I am looking at, from this page - one resistance heater
labeled auxiliary goes directly into a copper pipe. You may
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through
the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni?
That is probably net necessary. It looks to me like a copper pipe, for heat
transfer, may go into the reactor itself. Plus, if I
My guess is that the Aux is to pre heat the water flowing into the system and
the other external clamp on heater is for control.
Put those two seem to be the only external electrical connections (other than
the thermocouples)
Dennis C
From: Jones Beene
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:41 AM
Jones,
So what causes the electromigration? As far as I can see all he has in there are some resistive
heaters.
Ron
--On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 6:15 AM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
wrote:
To be clear:
Yes the reaction is NOT chemical, but it is NOT the fusion of nickel and
From Jones
From: Terry Blanton
If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through
the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni?
That is probably net necessary. It looks to me like a copper pipe, for heat
transfer, may go into the reactor itself. Plus, if I am not
-Original Message-
From: Ron Wormus
So what causes the electromigration? As far as I can see all he has in
there are some resistive heaters.
Ron - Possibly it could be related to either low level magnetic fields or emf
associated with the heaters, or else galvanic corrosion
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through
the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni?
That is probably net necessary. It looks to me like a
Jones sez:
...
Wow, gotta luv that the Rossi apparatus does work - apparently - but doesn't
it
just scream cheap? Off the rack at K-Mart cheap...
Heh! It will probably result in an extra month of delays over at DoE
getting their s**t in gear... particularly if they deem to look at the
Jones,
Yeah, I love that it looks like it could have been made in a garage of spare plumbing parts. It has
a much less sophisticated geometry than I expected too; seems too simple even compared to the MAHG
I started to replicate (it also had a copper vessel).
Keeps life interesting; you are
On 2011-04-06 23:01, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
prev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=svtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vof.se%2Findex.php
Seems new to me.
Proper link to the relevant bit:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=svtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vof.se%2Faktuellt.php%23notis472
Cheers,
SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote:
Seems new to me.
Proper link to the relevant bit:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=svtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vof.se%2Faktuellt.php%23notis472
Original article in Swedish:
http://www.vof.se/aktuellt.php#notis472
- Jed
The first paragraph (Google translation) attacks Fleischmann and Pons,
saying:
No significant similarities with the Pons and Fleischmann flop of 1989
could be discerned.
What a jerk! I would send him a nasty note saying he should read the
literature, but I am trying to sweet talk him into giving
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Clue: no, it's not the Colonel Mustard with the lead pipe - but the paper's
lead researcher is a Polish alloy expert named Romanowski, and you want to
look at Fig 9 on page 8 ...
Jesus, Jones! F9P8 of which? This:
Indeed from the link provided Akira it says:
The reactor itself, which is loaded with the nickel powder and secret
catalysts
pressurized with hydrogen, has an estimated volume of 50 cubic centimeters (3.2
cubic inches).
The reactor is made of stainless steel.
Harry
- Original
the Cu would have to go through the water and then through the stainless
steel to get to the powder.
Dennis C
--
From: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE:
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Well. The one problem is that the paper is not accessible except by fee.
Copyrights and all that. You can read the abstract
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/la981339q
Romanowski is a nickel alloy expert. This finding is not new but was
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
IN SHORT - the migratory copper itself appears to be the secret catalyst,
but only after it alloys with the nickel to form this super catalytic alloy
- which almost splits the hydrogen molecule on contact. Unbelievable !
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
IN SHORT - the migratory copper itself appears to be the secret catalyst,
but only after it alloys with the nickel to form this super catalytic alloy
It looks to me like the water inlet goes through the center of the reactor.
This would likely be a copper pipe along the axis, surrounded by the nickel
powder. Copper ions would immediately start to migrate when heat was applied
to the outside of the reactor. Did you enlarge the pictures? There is
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
It looks to me like the water inlet goes through the center of the reactor.
This would likely be a copper pipe along the axis, surrounded by the nickel
powder. Copper ions would immediately start to migrate when heat was
that is also the way I see it. Otherwise you would need two copper
components - inner Cu tube, stainless and then the outer Cu tube - A
stainless reactor chamber inside a widen part of one copper component would
be much easier to machine.
Dennis C
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Because that is not what I envision. I envision a SS reactor vessel
enclosed within a copper sphere attached to a copper pipe. The
reactor vessel is suspended inside the copper and the water passes
outside the SS
Has anyone seen such a sphere?
Nothing seen by me indicates that level of sophistication. Small spheres are
tricky to make and the outward of H2 pressure would possibly be more of a
problem than a central tube.
An axial copper tube, even having lost mass to migration, would withstand a
fairly
Watson, bring me my Dremel tool!
T
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Has anyone seen such a sphere?
Nothing seen by me indicates that level of sophistication. Small spheres are
tricky to make and the outward of H2 pressure would possibly be more of a
problem than a central tube.
An axial
The patent drawings sure looks like cylinder type vessel containing Ni and
surrounded by flowing water.
Dennis C
--
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 5:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Swedish
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Dennis den...@netmdc.com wrote:
The patent drawings sure looks like cylinder type vessel containing Ni and
surrounded by flowing water.
Yeah, and that is probably similar to the 12 kW reactor; but, the heat
variance over that amount of material required 5 heaters
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, and that is probably similar to the 12 kW reactor; but, the heat
variance over that amount of material required 5 heaters to control.
The much simplified single heater with a smaller output is actually an
ingenious
yes, I would think that a practical design would be to have a single large
flow system with several of the stainless reactors down inside the flow
instead of having a hundred widen copper tubes to make.
I also think that the additive is something that keeps the Ni surface
reduced and supports
All this being said, how do you avoid the isotopic ash in a true N
reaction as Mr. Beene originally points out?
T
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
For a 50 cc volume, the internal sphere would have a radius of about 1
inch (2.8 cm).
That should be 2.3 cm internal radius. Sloppy math!
T
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
It looks to me like the water inlet goes through the center of the reactor.
This would likely be a copper pipe along the axis, surrounded by the nickel
powder.
I gather Ed Storms also thinks that is the configuration, with the water
flowing through the
Oh no I agree with Jed.
Notice if it is just a SS cylinder inside some flowing water, it would be very
easy to scale up. Just a bigger pipe or even a pond with lots of Cylinders
down inside .
D2
From: Jed Rothwell
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 7:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
On 04/06/2011 11:28 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
From Stephen
...
It's more likely that Levi is in on the gag than that
transmutation from nickel to copper produced natural
isotope ratios in the ash. The former merely requires
the assumption that a few humans are acting
In the Essen report, Fig. 3, you see the hydrogen pipe at the top of the
cell, and the power lead for the resistance heater at the bottom (the red
wire). I am assuming both of pass through the outer copper sleeve, and then
into the inner cylindrical stainless steel container. Granted, that might
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:09:13 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Even hydrinos would result in an isotopic imbalance.
Actually, the ratio of Ni62/Ni64 is about the same as the ratio of Cu63/Cu65, so
adding a proton to Ni62 to give Cu63 and to Ni64 to give Cu65 would
automatically
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:23:32 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There are
no fields in copper pipes as far as I know.
...different metals form junctions. Two junctions at different temperatures will
form a
The write up says: the reaction chamber is made of stainless steel so I would assume that the
water flows around the outside of it.
Ron
--On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:17 PM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
wrote:
It looks to me like the water inlet goes through the center of the
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:25:21 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
OTOH I suppose we can assume that lots of copper migrated, a little
The problem with this is that the actual container holding the Ni is made of
steel, not copper. The Copper is a second outer container
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:30:21
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Regarding the hydrino theory, my first impression would be to conclude
(with absolutely no math to back this conclusion up with) that not
enough hydrogen was consumed (into hydrinos) that would
In reply to P.J van Noorden's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:46:27 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
The energy release of the hydrino producing reaction is 50 MJ/mol hydrogen
gas. The prefered reactionproduct seems to be H1/4.
See http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/Eng%20Power050410S.pdf
So if 25 kWh is
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 07:59:15 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
When you compare the amount of hydrogen lost compared to the energy
released, it works out to something like 100 keV per proton (but that can vary
depending on which Rossi quote you have) ... which is far less than
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