Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity

2011-05-12 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 10 May 2011 07:31:34 -0700: Hi, [snip] Yes - that is exactly why I mentioned a particular organic Rankine cycle Turbine which can provide close to 15% thermal efficiency at 500 C : http://www.infinityturbine.com/ORC/ORC_Waste_Heat_Turbine.html There are

Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity

2011-05-10 Thread Angela Kemmler
Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 9 May 2011 21:20:04 -0400 Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Betreff: Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity Years ago a lot of money was put into OTEC generation, which has very small temperature

Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity

2011-05-10 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, If I recall correctly Rossi already mentioned coupling his device with a Stirling engine, which only needs a hot and cold side. The Stirling engine can then be used with a linear generator to generate electricity. These Stirling engines/generators are already used on a small scale (in

Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity

2011-05-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Angela Kemmler wrote: Yes, why not. But please consider the practical efficiency: 3%. That is a value you reach also with thermoelectric elements. I believe it is more like 10% these days. I am assuming that rapid progress in thermoelectricity will be made, in response to cold fusion. As I

RE: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity

2011-05-10 Thread Jones Beene
Yes - that is exactly why I mentioned a particular organic Rankine cycle Turbine which can provide close to 15% thermal efficiency at 500 C : http://www.infinityturbine.com/ORC/ORC_Waste_Heat_Turbine.html There are others, but the Stirling is in a lower range of efficiency. Since Infinity

Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity

2011-05-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: As for the TEG - there is no thermoelectric generator available as a commercial item which will guaranteed 5% efficiency today. Wiki says the best is 3%. Even at 3% you get no guarantee, and they fail easily. Here is a commercial TEG that is 5.4% efficient:

RE: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity

2011-05-10 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell Jones Beene wrote: As for the TEG - there is no thermoelectric generator available as a commercial item which will guaranteed 5% efficiency today. Wiki says the best is 3%. Even at 3% you get no guarantee, and they fail easily. JR: Here is a

Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity

2011-05-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Where is the mainly successful work from Rossi? His biofuel Diesel engines have evidently made him a lot of money. In fact, has not the guy not been mostly a failure for his entire career? Mostly measured how? If you are tallying up the number of failed attempts versus

Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity

2011-05-10 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 10-5-2011 19:19, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jones Beene wrote: As for the TEG - there is no thermoelectric generator available as a commercial item which will guaranteed 5% efficiency today. Wiki says the best is 3%. Even at 3% you get no guarantee, and they fail easily. Here is a

Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity

2011-05-10 Thread Axil Axil
I never could draw a distinction between a scam and shrewd and adroit business practices. On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jones Beene wrote: Where is the mainly successful work from Rossi? His biofuel Diesel engines have evidently made him a lot

Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity

2011-05-10 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 10-5-2011 22:04, Axil Axil wrote: I never could draw a distinction between a scam and shrewd and adroit business practices. Well the dictionaries are quite clear about this: Definitions of scam 1. [n] - a fraudulent business scheme Definitions of adroit 1. [adj] - skillful (or

Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity

2011-05-10 Thread Axil Axil
MoB you must be an idealist. The main and some cynics say the only goal of business is to make money. Skillfully adapting means to making money does not necessarily imply meeting the needs and expectations of customers. Today, the overriding mandate of sound business practice is to

Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity

2011-05-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Years ago a lot of money was put into OTEC generation, which has very small temperature differences. Those techniques could be revived. However, as I said, based on previous Ni-H experiments there is no reason to think high temperatures will be a problem. - Jed