As you have not heard from the Chinese that is proof positive of fraud.
Really?
AA
On 9/5/2016 1:13 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
This whole discussion is freakin' ridiculous. If AR really had a
reactor with a COP of 6.0, the Chinese would already be scrambling to
build thousands of such
This whole discussion is freakin' ridiculous. If AR really had a reactor
with a COP of 6.0, the Chinese would already be scrambling to build
thousands of such reactors.
Rossi is clearly a fraud.
On 09/03/2016 01:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence > wrote:
And more important, how could the dirt /circulate?/ It wouldn't
make it past the boil/vaporize/recondense stage.
If there really was steam, the dirt could be coming
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
> And more important, how could the dirt *circulate?* It wouldn't make it
> past the boil/vaporize/recondense stage.
>
If there really was steam, the dirt could be coming from the condenser.
> As if we needed more proof -- but the brown water
Hey, speaking of dirty water, there was a really worthwhile observation
on that thread:
"Could be anything. Rust, dirt, bacteria. If Rossi wouldn't just let
it circulate with a mild 20 kW heating once per circle, *it'd all clog
up in whatever part is supposed to turn that filth into steam.*"
Jed,
You said the pipe was DN40. There is no way one would put a DN80
flowmeter on a pipe that small. I assume it was mounted on a DM80 pipe
and that was why it was as large as it was.
I depended on memory because I didn't want to take the time to look it
up. Without the piping drawing it
Jed, I wanted specifically information about people to whom (as you say) IH
has complained in 2015 about the 1MW plant.
What has Rossi do with this. The strange thing is that NOBODY has confirmed
what you say, e.g. on forums where LENRists write.
You use the oppressors logic "I say you must
As the water is continuously distilled I see no reason why it should be
"seriously dirty."
AA
On 9/2/2016 11:56 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence > wrote:
And obvious point ... if the water in the
a.ashfield wrote:
>From memory the flowmeter was DN80, but that was just hearsay.
>
Why do you depend on memory? It is right there in Exhibit 5. The flowmeter
was an Apator PoWoGaz, model number MWN130-80-NC. That is not "hearsay." It
is a statement filed with the court
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence
wrote:
And obvious point ... if the water in the reservoir was seriously
> dirty, as you mentioned in an earlier note, then it wasn't pure water,
> which in turn implies it very probably had a higher boiling point than
From memory the flowmeter was DN80, but that was just hearsay. A
dimensioned drwg of the pipework is what's required.
What no comment on Rossi's reply to IH's motion to dismiss? ( Re: [Vo]:
Rossi's answer to IH)
AA
On 9/2/2016 8:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
a.ashfield
a.ashfield wrote:
If the steam is condensed it would form a vacuum. DN40 sounds small to
> me. Is that another Murray quote?
>
Yes, I said it was from Murray.
Your knee jerk rejection of this is irrational. You can easily confirm the
size of the pipe by looking up the
Peter Gluck wrote:
> You have not answered some of my questions but can do it now, e.g. to whom
> except you have complained IH re the plant in 2015? you can answer in
> private.
>
I will tell you nothing that has not been revealed by Rossi or by I.H. Ask
as many times
On 09/02/2016 11:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Also, because an earlier version of the report supposedly had higher
numbers, which were replaced with 0.0 bar in the later version.
Thanks for that nugget. It made the time spent following this whole
thread worthwhile. :-) (When people do
If the steam is condensed it would form a vacuum. DN40 sounds small to
me. Is that another Murray quote?
AA
On 9/2/2016 11:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
a.ashfield > wrote:
Why do you say the pressure was higher than 0.0 bar when
I guess the main purpose of recirculating the water is not to save its
cost but to reduced the dissolved salts that would fur up the reactors
over time.
AA
On 9/2/2016 11:00 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Peter Gluck > wrote:
Jed, you also do
Water is deposited there , a part of it goes to the pump, then the
flowmeter to the ECats. The pipe used for this full with water, the
flowmeter was working properly. The half full legend was created by Murray-
if not can you ask a photo of the plant and of the open flowmeter he says
he has seen
a.ashfield wrote:
Why do you say the pressure was higher than 0.0 bar when that is what is
> reported?
>
Because you could not get this volume of steam or water to flow through the
heat exchanger if the pressure were 0.0 barG (1 atm). The pumps have to
push the water (or
Peter Gluck wrote:
Jed, you also do not understand the function of the reservoir.
>
I do understand it. It eliminates the need for a constant flow of tapwater.
The reservoir holds a large volume of water. Rather dirty water, as it
happens. The temperature of the water in
Why do you say the pressure was higher than 0.0 bar when that is what is
reported?
At 102.8C it would be dry steam.
AA
On 9/2/2016 10:26 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Peter Gluck > wrote:
From the reservoir a pump sends water to the
Jed, you also do not understand the function of the reservoir.
peter
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:27 PM, a.ashfield wrote:
> Yes it would be ludicrous to place the flow meter on the return line from
> the third party's equipment rather than measuring the flow directly going
Yes it would be ludicrous to place the flow meter on the return line
from the third party's equipment rather than measuring the flow directly
going into the reactors.
AA
On 9/2/2016 10:18 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
a.ashfield > wrote:
Peter Gluck wrote:
>From the reservoir a pump sends water to the generators where it is
> converted in steam and goes to the customer.
>
Yes, but it is a closed loop. All of the water is condensed and returned.
The reservoir water level does not change much from day to
As to what I think of IH see the new thread about Rossi's answer to IH's
response.
As I've said several times, a piping drawing would clear up the matter
but this is still secret.
AA
On 9/2/2016 10:12 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
a.ashfield >
a.ashfield wrote:
> The flow meter would be on the output pipe from the reservoir (near the
> bottom of it), either before or after the pump feeding the reactors.
> It is ludicrous to suggest it would be on the condensate return pipe from
> the customer.
>
Actually,
a.ashfield wrote:
True. That is why I think the pipe was full, not half full. Your trust in
> Murray is touching.
>
Do you seriously believe that I.H. would jeopardize this case and risk
losing $267 million by lying about this? You think they are crazy? Do you
think
>From the reservoir a pump sends water to the generators where it is
converted in steam and goes to the customer.
I hve explained you why and how the heat is measured.
Do you cannot understand this?
You have a certainty of that half(?) empty pipe snd you rehect elementary
logic. You manifest a
True. That is why I think the pipe was full, not half full. Your trust
in Murray is touching.
AA
On 9/2/2016 9:51 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
a.ashfield > wrote:
The flow meter would be on the output pipe from the reservoir
(near
a.ashfield wrote:
> The flow meter would be on the output pipe from the reservoir (near the
> bottom of it), either before or after the pump feeding the reactors.
>
If it were there, the pipe would be full, so it cannot be there.
> It is ludicrous to suggest it would
Jed,
The flow meter would be on the output pipe from the reservoir (near the
bottom of it), either before or after the pump feeding the reactors.
It is ludicrous to suggest it would be on the condensate return pipe
from the customer. If IH have supplied a piping drawing it is not in
the
a.ashfield wrote:
That seems HIGHLY unlikely.
Why? Where else would you put a flowmeter intended for liquid? It would not
work in the steam. (Assuming there is actually steam.)
Can you prove the flow meter was not downstream of the reservoir?
>
I do not know what
That seems HIGHLY unlikely. Can you prove the flow meter was not
downstream of the reservoir?
Murray;s say so is not proof. If IH had a case I think they would have
shown a piping drawing by now.
AA
On 9/1/2016 8:32 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
To summarize: I think the flow meter is installed
To summarize: I think the flow meter is installed downstream from the heat
exchanger, where there is liquid water at ~68°C. From there, the water
flows downhill (by gravity only) back to the reservoir. Since the pipe is
larger than it needs to be for this volume of water, it is half full.
- Jed
Peter Gluck wrote:
excuse me, is this a serious answer? What has the hose to do with the Plant?
>
The pipe in Rossi's plant was half empty. That's the whole point.
(Note that the second photo I pointed shows a half-empty pipe, not a hose.)
I cannot understand what you
excuse me, is this a serious answer? What has the hose to do with the Plant?
Anyway thank you, it was enough I fear your "logic" is contagious so I
apologize to anybody who will read your messages. Rational discussion with
you is impossible.
peter
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote:
But starting from the diagram, you can imagine how to make the pipes haf
> full. Can you, independently from this affair?
>
I do not need a diagram for that. I can do it easily, with an open hose.
Put the hose on the ground. Turn the water a little
But starting from the diagram, you can imagine how to make the pipes haf
full. Can you, independently from this affair? Is Rossi the inventor of
this scheme any plumber can use?
You are not aware of what terrible ies you say?
peter
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote:
please take the image of the flowmeter and show how can you see inside it
> when in function.
>
Of course you cannot see inside it when it is functioning. Why would you
need to do that? The rust is still there when it stops.
> And how do myou open
please take the image of the flowmeter and show how can you see inside it
when in function. And how do myou open it when ot working?OK?
Have you ever seen the scheme of the plant? Let Rossi in peace, and tell
NOW where was that damned flowmeter placed; if you don't know ask IH
take please this
Peter Gluck wrote:
Can you give details, facts, iit was sealed and Penon has rfemoved the
> seals, has he asked Murray, "come Joe, take a look to it"?
>
What the heck does "sealed" mean? Where were these "seals"? In front of the
orifice? The water has to freely flow
Can you give details, facts, iit was sealed and Penon has rfemoved the
seals, has he asked Murray, "come Joe, take a look to it"?
Has Murray a photo of those stains? If the pipes are working half-empty
then the how does water flow in the vertical segements?
Have you idea about the absurdity of
Peter Gluck wrote:
> . . . there was no trace of excess heat, this being obvious because there
> are rust stains on the static vanes of a flowmeter that was not opened but
> Murray had seen them . . .
>
That is preposterous. Of course it was opened! When you remove a
Dear Alain,
I am just writing an editorial about progress blindness e.g. Jed Rothwell
is unable or unwilling to see any progress in what Rossi did achieved
starting from 2011 and accusing Rossi of possible amnesia- in the best
times he was able to get excess heat but later not, aat the 1year 1MW
On the opposite, maybe not specifically in Italy, but results get more and
more reliable.
for ICCF15 ENEA reported results where success evolved from unreliable to
more than 60% success because of cristallography surface choice.
as I read the litterature of PdD, it seems more and more reliable
I am struck by a curious parallel between many investigational endeavors
in science, the 'soft sciences', near science, and maybe-science (cold
fusion may or may not be in this last category). All are troubled by a
sequence comprising initial success, followed by a long irregular slope
down
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