Looks like they can't reproduce:
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/general-updates/348-the-hug-quest-for-gammas-and-more
Suspect cosmic / background radiation.
Interesting how Jean-Paul Biberian replicated it.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Blaze Spinnaker
https://nanospireinc.com/Fusion.html
I kid you not.
The LeClair reactor is just a water pump and some plastic pipe. See the
pictures at the bottom of the reference for some examples.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
You can replicate anything you please
To start with take a look at this :
Amini, F., *The Study of Cavitation Bubble-Surface Plasmon Resonance
Interaction For LENR and Biochemical processes*. 2013, LENR-CANR.org.
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/AminiFthestudyof.pdf
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
I think the double solitons are as follows:
FALACO solitons
http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0101/0101098.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyjwZ39EDmw
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
I'm not really qualified to evaluate phrases such as powerful
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
I'm not really qualified to evaluate phrases such as powerful crested cnoid
de Broglie Matter wave soliton wave packages that were doubly periodic and
followed the Jacobi Elliptic functions exactly, mostly in the form of large
On vortex, we must pay homage to Robert Anton Wilson periodically
... probably preferable to paying cnotes for fromage...
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Mark Gibbs wrote:
I'm not really qualified to evaluate phrases such as powerful crested
cnoid
de Broglie Matter wave
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
I can't find any references to cnoid anything let alone cnoid de
Broglie Matter wave soliton wave packages ... if anyone has any links
or explanations of what this means (or is supposed to mean) I'd love to
hear it.
The Duke of Ellington explained what
Well no, they have detected gamma rays, but perhaps not yet definitively.
From FB:
Gamma - the smoking gun of LENR?
http://youtu.be/ehvRxMYczK8
We have seen repeatable bursts of gamma during re-gassing of the EU cells
over the last 2 months and we are preparing a highly sensitive Thallium
These LENR workers are misguided. These guys want an indicator based on
nuclear engineering to prove that LENR is occurring to these nuclear
people. This is a misinformed opinion and uneducated.
The production of gamma radiation is a sure sign that the LENR reaction is
failing, in the same
The production of gamma radiation is a sure sign that the LENR reaction is
failing, in the same way that smoke is an indicator of a failing wood fire
reaction.
A hot and vigorous wood fire is smokeless.
Your analogy is great cause being able to generate smoke is usually what
you generally learn
[UPDATE #1] Jean-Paul Biberian independently replicates MFMP finding
inside 24 hours
Jean-Paul Biberian, who was forwarded by a follower an advance pdf of the
‘Gamma’ blogpost that was sent out to donors 12 hours earlier, was so
interested in the finding, that he put his schedule to one side and
IMHO, working on the FP cell and the Pd/D reaction is misguided and
counterproductive.
If we cannot convince nuclear engineers that a Ni/H reactor in a third
party test works, a FP cell has nor hope of doing so.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
If it generates gamma and its replicated you don't think that's an
interesting contribution to science?
I think if something strange and unexpected is happening (at least to the
wide world of science) even if it is orthogonal to your purpose, I think it
makes sense to follow where it leads.
My bad assumption, the effort is directed toward the Celani cell.
Let me restate.
IMHO, working on a non-Nano powder passed reaction is misguided and
counterproductive.
If we cannot convince nuclear engineers that a Ni/H reactor in a third
party test works, a non-nanopowder bases cell has
The LENR researcher trying to say what someone else is doing is
counterproductive and misguided. Juicy.
Reminds me of how african americans were so happy to discriminate against
gays.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
My bad assumption, the effort is
A LENR reaction that produces gammas is useless because of the NRC
roadblock.
Rossi bent over backward to rid his system of gammas and for good reasons.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
If it generates gamma and its replicated you don't think
Nobody has replicated what Rossi has done and he doesn't share what he
does.
Frankly, that's what's really useless here.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
A LENR reaction that produces gammas is useless because of the NRC
roadblock.
Rossi bent over
DGT has replicated Rossi and has gone beyond him. IMHO.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Nobody has replicated what Rossi has done and he doesn't share what he
does.
Frankly, that's what's really useless here.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:17 AM,
We know that wings on airplanes work, and wheels on cars also work, why do
you want to build a new aircraft without wings and a new car without
wheels?
We know how LENR works well and why reinvent it with a new unproven
technology?.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
Anyways, the reality is (remember that? reality?) that MFMP is constrained
by resources just like everyone else is in the physical real world.
If you have experiments that you would like to see done and
tools/equipment/materials you can give them, I am pretty sure they'd be all
over that.
11:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!
[UPDATE #1] Jean-Paul Biberian independently replicates MFMP finding inside
24 hours
Jean-Paul Biberian, who was forwarded by a follower an advance pdf of the
Gamma blogpost that was sent out
If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to
replicate the LeClair cavitation reactor. $250 dollars will do it. A year
in the hospital from radiation exposure should be enough to rid them of
their obsession from gamma radiation. They may also get a dose of neutrons
and alpha
He (and most cold fusion researchers) are regarded as mad because nobody
mainstream believes that radiation was generated.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to
replicate the LeClair cavitation
This is true, So what purpose does it serve to show it?
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
He (and most cold fusion researchers) are regarded as mad because nobody
mainstream believes that radiation was generated.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM,
Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe the MFMP attempt to detect gamma is the correct thing to do.
I agree, for the reasons you listed plus one more: it would help convince
some fence-sitting people who are leaning toward belief.
When you first begin generating LENR, you
Good grief, Axil. If the NRC roadblocks a LENR system, it means the
scientific establishment has to immediately eat its hat.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
A LENR reaction that produces gammas is useless because of the NRC
roadblock.
Rossi bent over
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Good grief, Axil. If the NRC roadblocks a LENR system, it means the
scientific establishment has to immediately eat its hat.
True! That would mean it is real.
The obverse of that was when the Navy wanted to close down Miles, because,
they said, it might
WELL I dunno about eating its hat. They certain didn't freak out when
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroelectric_fusion was published.
I think until significant heat is generated, the establishment won't feel
particularly bad about itself.
But this will certainly move things in the right
The obverse of that was when the Navy wanted to close down Miles, because,
they said, it might be dangerous. He sent them skeptical comments and
articles from the New York Times claiming cold fusion does not exist. He
pointed out that if it does not exist, it cannot be dangerous. They
admitted he
The scientific establishment just wants to keep the RD money coming in for
fusion and nuclear research.
LENR can be a proliferation danger by enhancing U235 concentration and
destroying U232 whose risk their ideology may work to ignore.
Paraphrasing POTUS Bush:
Knowing these realities, America
Its precisely such humor that would force them to eat their hats if the NRC
regulated LENR research. They'd become the butt of jokes in the popular
press.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
The obverse of that was when the Navy wanted to close down
Yeah, but the vast majority of the universe would probably fail to see the
irony. They'd just think it was just science learning something new but
not really relevant (since no heat energy was being generated).
However, those in the know will get it, and certainly look at this all
afresh, which
Really? Is LeClair's experiment that easily replicated? If it can be done
for $250 why has no one else done it?
[m]
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to
replicate the LeClair cavitation
LeClair has patented the whole process including replication. That is what
he states, I don't know if this statement holds water. He says that
replication is extremely dangerous and he does not want to see anybody go
through what he when through..
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Mark Gibbs
But that doesn't answer the question: If it only costs $250 to replicate
LeClair's experiment why hasn't it been done?
[m]
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
LeClair has patented the whole process including replication. That is what
he states, I don't know if
I think what Axil is saying is that LeClair is claiming research
replication as beneficial use and must, therefore, be licensed by the
patent owner.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
But that doesn't answer the question: If it only costs $250 to replicate
So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either because
LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist.
[m]
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
I think what Axil is saying is that LeClair is claiming research
replication as
That's the logical implication of what Axil's saying.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either because
LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist.
[m]
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM,
I was querying Axil's original claim:
If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to
replicate the LeClair cavitation reactor. $250 dollars will do it. A year
in the hospital from radiation exposure should be enough to rid them of
their obsession from gamma radiation. They may
LeClair wants to use patent law to be a gatekeeper for his technology. But
we all know that LENR is not patentable.
If you wanted to replicate LeClair's reactor, you might be involved in a
legal wrangle with him. But you might have a case to dispute the patent in
that LENR does not exist.
One
You can replicate anything you please without permission if you're not
selling whatever it is. If the patent details how to build a LeClair system
and it's clear from the patent how to do it and it only costs $250 then it
is inconceivable that someone wouldn't try to replicate it.
I call bullshit
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either because
LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist.
One should resist putting LeClair's claims in the same basket as those of
McKubre, Miles,
I'm not really qualified to evaluate phrases such as powerful crested
cnoid de Broglie Matter wave soliton wave packages that were doubly
periodic and followed the Jacobi Elliptic functions exactly, mostly in the
form of large doubly-periodic vortices but I can't find any references to
cnoid
The title of the FR post is (annoyingly) misleading.
The MFMP team is saying that they are excited about putting a more
sensitive gamma ray detector into operation -- not that it has, as of now,
detected unambiguous gamma rays.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
Good catch, James. I screwed up, misread the article. There's not much
doubt that Celani has observed gamma rays, but not MFMP.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 5:30 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
The title of the FR post is (annoyingly) misleading.
The MFMP team is saying that they are
Of course, my misreading was pre-disposed by having seen this article first:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/11/mfmp-report-detection-of-unusual-gamma-rays/
MFMP Report Detection of Unusual Gamma Rays
November 7, 2013 • 1 Comment
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