Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Bob Higgins wrote: I sent a copy of my translation of Songsheng Jiang's paper to him for > review. He found a couple of typos and a couple other small things to > revise. . . . > Thanks again! - Jed

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On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > -Original Message- > From: H LV > >> The 'self-sustaining' phase that follows represents the release of energy >> which was being stored while the power was on. > > Harry - If you are talking about Fig2 - the May

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Calorimetry, external TC's and OT for internal temps would provide a fuller picture. K-type TC's typically contain nickel so have a low Curie point and are often only rated up to 185°C anyway. I also suspect they may be susceptible to photoelectric induction since what they actually sense is

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

-Original Message- From: H LV > The 'self-sustaining' phase that follows represents the release of energy > which was being stored while the power was on. Harry - If you are talking about Fig2 - the May run, that conclusion is not supported by the facts, since --- when the power was

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(about 2nd november experiment, fig3) When I look at T4, at pressure, compared to input power, it seems there is something weird happening. does anybody know what causes the increase of pressure just when power is slightly stepped ? about 14:00-14:15... I suspect it is just heat ? since all other

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

>From Jiang's paper (courtesy Bob Higgins translation): "How could T1 and T2 temperatures differ by so much? This is because thermocouple T1 is in the atmosphere, and is easily equilibrated to room temperature. T2 is located in a sealed stainless steel vessel, and the gas inside the vessel is at

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H LV wrote: > > http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/japan-population/ > > Median age of 53 by 2050?! > Yup. It is 47 now. The trends for the next 20 years are demographically irreversible. People could start having babies like mad and the population would still

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Vibrator ! wrote: Can't help thinking optical thermometry would be preferable since it's > impervious to heat damage... assuming the steel currently used for > chambers is entirely incidental to the reaction, a transparent ceramic > would

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Wow! How many languages do you know? harry On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: > I was interested enough in Dr. Jiang's latest paper that I went to the > trouble to do a proper translation from Chinese to English. Google > translate just wasn't good

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T3 is not connected. On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jack Cole wrote: > > T1 is in an air gap apparently. Possibly that could make more sense. >> > > Let's see . . . You mean it is installed in the middle of the "T-Bone" >

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On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Bob Higgins wrote: > >> I was interested enough in Dr. Jiang's latest paper that I went to the >> trouble to do a proper translation from Chinese to English. > > > That's very helpful. Thank

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Perhaps a Fisher polyneutron would reveal itself in a 'beta shower' that the NaI instrument would see. From: Ludwik Kowalski [mailto:kowals...@mail.montclair.edu] Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese I am

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His 'alpha' showers seem to be about the same number of events as the recent MFMP Bremstrahlung. From: Ludwik Kowalski [mailto:kowals...@mail.montclair.edu] Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese I am not familiar

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> From: Ludwik Kowalski [mailto:kowals...@mail.montclair.edu] > Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 6:38 PM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese > > > I suppose that at least one member of the Chinese Team > is following this threa

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Ludwik, What's your opinion of Fisher's polyneutrons these days? From: Ludwik Kowalski [mailto:kowals...@mail.montclair.edu] Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 6:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese I suppose that at least one member of the Chinese

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

[mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 6:09 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese I was interested enough in Dr. Jiang's latest paper that I went to the trouble to do a proper translation from Chinese to English. Google translate just wasn't

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Bob Higgins wrote: I was interested enough in Dr. Jiang's latest paper that I went to the > trouble to do a proper translation from Chinese to English. > That's very helpful. Thank you! I did not know you speak Chinese. I suppose that is more in demand in the 21st

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H LV wrote: > Ok, but if there was so much more heat being produced in the reactor > why is T1 dropping so quickly while T4 is gradually rising? > Well, there was that last burst of internal heat, ~24 minutes long, shown by T1 and T2. I suppose that threw the system out

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I suppose that at least one member of the Chinese Team is following this thread. If not then perhaps someone will be willing to send them an invitation. It would be useful to be able to ask questions. Ludwik === Ludwik Kowalski. On Feb 29,

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Thank you very very much, to both you, Jed, and others. Ludwik = On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: > I was interested enough in Dr. Jiang's latest paper that I went to the > trouble to do a proper translation from Chinese to English.

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I was interested enough in Dr. Jiang's latest paper that I went to the trouble to do a proper translation from Chinese to English. Google translate just wasn't good enough. If you read through the Google translate version, you skip over things that Google didn't translate well enough - and in

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er...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:15 PM >> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese >> >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> H LV <hveeder...@gmail.

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LV [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:15 PM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote: >> H LV <hveeder...@g

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an 0 means a dramatic nuclear process in hand :( -Original Message- From: H LV [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:15 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.co

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On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > H LV wrote: > >> Notice the delayed rise in T4 at the beginning of the experiment. The >> >> rise in T4 after power is turned off might just be the delayed >> dissipation of heat from inside to

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Calorimetry's the last word of course, and yes the data from the external TC's is exciting. My point about optical thermometry though was that it's possible to have a window into the reactor (using transparent ceramics) and so read the internal light... no doubt Rossi or others have already

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Sorry for my last comment; I was thought I were commenting on VORTEX's earlier post. On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Ludwik Kowalski wrote: > 1) Suppose a wish list is composed, containing suggested technological > innovations for Artificial Intelligence (AI) robots. Would such a list be > useful

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Jack Cole wrote: T1 is in an air gap apparently. Possibly that could make more sense. > Let's see . . . You mean it is installed in the middle of the "T-Bone" shaped reactor, in the air gap between the reactor and the "DC Power" heaters (shown in orange). I guess it is

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Vibrator ! wrote: Can't help thinking optical thermometry would be preferable since it's > impervious to heat damage... > But you can't use it for the inside thermocouples, and the outside one (T4) is at moderate temperatures peaking at 167°C. There is no way that

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T1 is in an air gap apparently. Possibly that could make more sense. On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:49 PM Jack Cole wrote: > Jed, I thought the same when looking at the graphs. It doesn't make much > sense. He needs to get some better control over the input power to keep > from

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1) Suppose a wish list is composed, containing suggested technological innovations for Artificial Intelligence (AI) robots. Would such a list be useful to leaders of technology? 2) My first wish would be a computer operating system (OS) which allows for at least three hundreds of "human undo

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Can't help thinking optical thermometry would be preferable since it's impervious to heat damage... assuming the steel currently used for chambers is entirely incidental to the reaction, a transparent ceramic would would allow direct observation - if not for the whole chamber, then at least a via

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Jed, I thought the same when looking at the graphs. It doesn't make much sense. He needs to get some better control over the input power to keep from burning up his TCs. On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:13 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > H LV wrote: > > Notice

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

H LV wrote: Notice the delayed rise in T4 at the beginning of the experiment. The rise in T4 after power is turned off might just be the delayed > dissipation of heat from inside to the outside. > I do not think so. Look closely as the power is being reduced, at around

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On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: >for the second run, shows a similar pattern, with T1 falling > steadily and monotonically after the power is turned off, while T2 goes > bananas. However, this graph also shows T4 increasing after the power turns >

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I wrote: Figure 2, for the second run, shows a similar pattern . . . > ARRRGGH! I meant *Figure 3* for the second run. I wish I could fix these messages. Fig. 1. Configuration Fig. 2. First run, showing T1 and T2 readings. But not T4. Fig. 3. Second run, showing T1, T2 and T4. I wish he had

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I wrote: > Thermocouple T2 on the outside of the cell does not show self-sustaining > anomalous heat after power is turned off. It falls smoothly and > monotonically. > Oops. I meant T1 on the outside of the cell, sandwiched between the cell and the the MgO thermal insulation material. It does

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I am sorry to say this, but it looks to me like Jiang had the same problem this time as last time. The T2 thermocouple in the center of the cell overheated. It exceeded the 1372°C limit for that device. It probably did this early in the experiment on May 4. After that it is erratic, and I do not

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

The long period of self-sustained heat is exactly what everyone wants to see. This is what we were hoping to see from MFMP, due to all the buildup. Perhaps it will happen this time for Alan and Mark. From: Jed Rothwell See: