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From: jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium
On 28/08/2014 7:42 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
As pointed out, the odds for a mutation occuring that would
. There are new holes poked thru it
everyday.
Jojo
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From: jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium
On 28/08/2014 7:59 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
You seem
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To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:04:13 +0800
Ken, are you saying the Clymene dolphin is an
example of Macro-evolution. It seems to me that it is just a variation of
the spinner dolphin. Not sure what you are claiming here
, August 28, 2014 7:26 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium
Jojo, if we assume macro-evolution occurs in long time-frames, how can anyone
show you concrete proof the way you say you want it?
I found this
http://www.debate.org/debates/There-is-no-Observable-Evidence-for-Macroevolution/1
I think you're safe, you will always believe the Bible, because there will
probably never be proof to convince you otherwise.
/Sunil
From: jojoiznar...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:44:54 +0800
Then show me fossil
The end of Christianity will come if full disclosure takes place peacefully.
If our true place in the universe was finally exposed, it would wither away.
I intuitively believe that the primary obstacle to disclosure of ET's is the
hegemony of the US. Once that is out of the way ( and
On 28/08/2014 6:22 PM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
On 28/08/2014 11:14 AM, jwinter wrote:
If the necessary information is present from the beginning, then it
only needs to be triggered and it will express itself. This is my
suspicion of how the process might work.
This process my friend, is called
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On 28/08/2014 7:59 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
You seem to be implying that you know that the Coelacanth is 350 million
years old from radiometric dating techniques. Please do tell, what sort of
radiometric
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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:07 PM
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On 28/08/2014 6:22 PM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
On 28/08/2014 11:14 AM, jwinter wrote:
If the necessary information is present from the beginning, then it only
needs to be triggered
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On 28/08/2014 7:59 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
You seem to be implying that you know that the Coelacanth is 350
PM
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Darwin's theory or explanation of evolution is distinct from the general
concept of evolution.
Several explanations of evolution have been proposed over the last few
hundred years.
To date Darwin's theory has been the most fertile
.
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On 28/08/2014 6:22 PM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
On 28/08/2014 11:14 AM
: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium
On 28/08/2014 10:38 PM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
My friend, caterpillars turning to butterflies are not micro-evolution,
that is normal development associated with butterflies.
You think I don't know that!? Why don't you
Hi John et al
It can be shown logically that it is impossible to argue against the
hypothesis that God created the world in 4004 BC such that it had all
the appearance of there having been Darwinian Evolution up until that
point, as I have discovered previously. The possibility that life
Hi Nigel,
Thanks again for your reply but it seems like you were answering someone
else's query. I did not remotely suggest recent creation and did not
think that I promoted alien impregnation. The alien impregnation that I
spoke of was of the sexual variety and is a well known case that
Hi John
Evolutionary principles can help understand how the first self
replicating cell originated. For example all the evidence suggests
that it came from an RNA based predecessor, where RNA is replicated and
splits into chunks to form enzymes etc. We are currently finding RNA
has far
Hi Nigel,
Thanks again for your answer, but again I cannot find the data point I
am after in all the interesting information you have provided! So I
will try again.
Purely as an illustration or analogy, consider the growth of the human
body. It starts at conception having many embryonic
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To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium
Hi Nigel,
Thanks again for your answer, but again I cannot find the data point I am
after in all the interesting information you have provided! So I will try
again
: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium
Hi Nigel,
Thanks again for your answer, but again I cannot find the data point I am
after in all the interesting information you have provided! So I will try
again.
Purely as an illustration or analogy, consider
On 28/08/2014 1:11 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
John, my friend, you have a fundamental problem in your analysis.
Your unyielding adherence to Darwinian dogma
You are mistaken. I have no adherence to Darwinian dogma whatsoever.
If Darwinian dogma (whatever that is) happens to coincide with my
On 28/08/2014 1:17 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
If evolution is driven by a random process via random mutations, then
evolution _can not be reversible_, since it is _unlikely_ that a
random mutation would occur that cancels out a previous random
mutation. The odds are astronomical for that to
Jojo,
Here's one (actually a few ): clymene dolphin
plus 2-4% of all flowering plants, inc. many sunflowers, and many crop
species.
BTW. This whole 'odds' thing is a joke. Julian Huxley, for example, did
not state his opinion re; the astronomical 'odds' of a horse, but did
ridicule the guy that
to something that is not in its tool box.
Jojo
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From: jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium
On 28/08/2014 1:17 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
If evolution is driven
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium
For example, you assume that the Coelacanth is 350 million years old. How
do you know that?
We have been over this ad nauseum. I accept radiometric dating. In many
cases
. Not conjectures, and imaginations and suppositions and speculations and
interpretations. I challenged Nigel to do just that, but it seems he could not.
Jojo
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From: Ken Deboer
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo
On 28/08/2014 7:59 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
You seem to be implying that you know that the Coelacanth is 350
million years old from radiometric dating techniques. Please do tell,
what sort of radiometric dating tells you that it is 350 million years
old?
I don't know how these particular
On 28/08/2014 7:42 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
As pointed out, the odds for a mutation occuring that would result in
a feature that is useful enough is astronomical.
If the necessary information is present from the beginning, then it only
needs to be triggered and it will express itself. This is my
In answer to jwinter
To my mind there are two separate evolution question problems that need
to be addressed. The first, which you pick up on, is the evolution of
the complex folding proteins, and the second is the evolution of the
information that is used to define the complex structure of
, but interpretation of what
that fact infers is just an opinion.
Jojo
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From: Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium
In answer to jwinter
To my mind there are two
Hi Nigel,
Thanks for your erudite and interesting answers. However I don't think
you really answered the question I was interested in because you are so
saturated with the current paradigm. I sense from your answer that you
are happy with the idea that given an *actually* simple (in
On 27/08/2014 9:09 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote:
In my previous existence here, Nigel and I engaged is quite a long
discussion about evolution. We did it offline. At that time, I asked Nigel
to provide evidence of what he considers to be clear proof of evolution.
I don't believe he has satisfied that
http://phys.org/news/2013-07-chimp-pig-hybrid-humans.html
It's not aliens, it's pigs.
In the case of chimp http://phys.org/tags/chimp/ - pig hybridization,
the direction of the cross would likely have been a male boar or pig (Sus
scrofa) with a female chimp (Pan troglodytes), and the offspring
Yes, Darwin is too boring. And as soon as you know the concept of
evolution, it becomes obvious. So, I never could get past the first
paragraph. Mendelian inheritance, although it is a very rough model, seems
to be much more informative, educational and of practical use.
2014-08-26 16:14
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