On Dec 17, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Here is where Frank Gordon and crew are working now. They are ready
to remediate nuclear waste with their foils and they too are
working under the radar, given the maturity of their knowledge and
trade craft. SPAWAR / DOD says they know
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm
Tests conducted at NASA Glenn Research Center in 1989 and elsewhere
consistently show evidence of anomalous heat during gaseous loading and
unloading of deuterium into and out of bulk palladium. At one time
called “cold fusion,” now
I've been lurking here for
a couple of months now and have learned a great deal from all the
comments. But reading this really saddened me. I truly hope that
one day these so called scientists that refuse to admit there is
something going on with CF or LENR end
Am 18.12.2011 05:17, schrieb Sean True:
If Dr. Miley is in need of low thousands of dollars to get to a breakthrough,
is there a possibility of using kickstarter.com to raise the money? I'd kick in
a thousand dollar pledge if Jed said it would get the good doctor over the hump.
Miley is
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I wonder what this will do for Rossi if, as is speculated, SPAWAR was his
secret customer?
/snip
If Rossi were the customer and it worked, would they not be expanding the
program. This suggests that nothing has happened. My papers also have fallen
on mostly deaf ears. Personalty
Without a dramatic new source energy, I see nothing but a continuing
decline of our industrialized western society.
No jobs, no marriages, no reason to study hard, and a virtual only
life. I hope Rossi does it, I have been been burnt out for a long
time.
Frank Z
Frank!
As I
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Miley is closely working together with CETI ( Clean Energy Technologies,
Incorporated) and has without doubt created a lot of free advertisement for
them.
This company has been defunct for many years. It was owned by the late
James Patterson.
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Two or three people have contacted me suggesting we raise funds for Miley.
I appreciate the sentiments, and I am sure George would too, but as far as
I know universities only accept money from official sources such as
corporations, philanthropic organizations, government agencies, etc. They
cannot
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
It is not that big a hurdle. If you know a corporation that has money, I
expect the university would happy to arrange something.
It wouldn't hurt to fill out this form:
On 2011-12-18 17:18, Terry Blanton wrote:
It wouldn't hurt to fill out this form:
http://www.shell.com/home/content/innovation/innovative_thinking/game_changer/submit_idea/
This might actually be a good idea.
By the way, until Krivit leaked that email from the ISCMNS mailing list,
I've never
Jed, among LENR researchers, who is not old, or very old?
2011/12/18 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Two or three people have contacted me suggesting we raise funds for Miley.
I appreciate the sentiments, and I am sure George would too, but as far as
I know universities only accept money
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 11:09 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Two or three people have contacted me suggesting we raise funds for
Miley. I appreciate the sentiments, and I am sure George would too,
but as far as I know universities only accept money from official
sources such as corporations,
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
wrote:
With respect as I in no way mean to make this statement personal: What a
load of self service CRAP. Are you blind as well as mentally impaired?
That's not personal? If I said something like that about someone
Going through my notes again . . . I should say there is still some hope at
SPAWAR that after-hours or weekend research may be allowed. They are still
negotiating, so let us not raise a big stink about this. No point in riling
up the opposition more than usual.
They are discouraged.
As I said,
As I said, most cold fusion research is done on a shoestring,
tucked away in a corner were the people in charge will not
notice it. You have to keep a low profile in this business. So
please do not write letters to the Navy demanding this be
allowed. You will only make things worse. I will
This is kind of ironic.. Jed behaves as those Rossi's tests were faked and
CF is still on shoe strings...
2011/12/18 Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com
As I said, most cold fusion research is done on a shoestring,
tucked away in a corner were the people in charge will not
notice it. You have
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, among LENR researchers, who is not old, or very old?
The ones who are dead.
Only old people can do this. For a young researcher cold fusion would be
career suicide. Even talking about it. She would be fired and would never
get another job. Even
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I am sorry to report that the authorities have finally closed down cold
fusion research at SAPWAR. After Frank Gordon left, the project was on life
support. Recent reports on Fox News and elsewhere mentioned it,
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
The battle has been won. The genie is out of the bottle. Rossi's
demos have proven cold fusion is real.
Fleischmann, Will and McKubre proved cold fusion is real in 1990. That did
not convince many people. It remains to be seen whether Rossi's
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Going through my notes again . . . I should say there is still some hope
at SPAWAR that after-hours or weekend research may be allowed. They are
still negotiating, so let us not raise a big stink about this. No point in
That is a great idea.
I'm leaving too.
Correa was right. The Vortex list does not live up to its ideals.
Harry
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Dusty Bradshaw d_bra...@bellsouth.netwrote:
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Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Nonsense. I have told you many times by private email and in public
postings that I favor funding for cold fusion/LENR research.
You say that, and I think you are sincere. But your actions prove you
are deceiving yourself. You despise cold fusion. You
It remains to be seen
whether Rossi's demonstrations and sales will convince the wider
world.
How can they not?
The October 28 customer has had the 50 e-cats for 6 weeks. I can
hear the dialogue now:
So how's it going with the e-cats, Manny?
The sons-of-guns have been running for six weeks,
please, continue :)
2011/12/18 Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com
It remains to be seen
whether Rossi's demonstrations and sales will convince the wider
world.
How can they not?
The October 28 customer has had the 50 e-cats for 6 weeks. I can
hear the dialogue now:
So how's it going
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
You remind of elderly white bigots in Georgia who say they got along well
with black people and loved them like family. Yet these people were in
charge until the 1970s, and they maintained race divided schools in
Back to SPAWAR, why should we mix the point of view- killing of SPAWAR was
the problem. Rossi is an entirely different problem
When SPAWR started I was very busy working as a journalist, plus I could
not feel much enthusiasm for it because it was not about energy.
I have not understood its
THE RIDDLE AND POSSIBLE SOLUTION
Deflation fusion theory provides a potential solution to the riddle
of why the radioactive byproducts 59CU29, 61Cu29, 58CO27, and 62Cu29
to the Ni + p reactions do not appear in Rossi's byproducts. This
solution of the specific problem byproducts problem
I don't know. The hotter the better the reaction. The hotter the more
hydrogen is driven out and the worse the reaction.
If I knew I would do it.
Frank
Frank!
As I understand your theory, you believe that cold fusion can be
optimized within a lattice vibrating with an angular velocity of
At 12:31 PM 12/18/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
I also noted that Rossi's modus operandi is in virtually EVERY WAY
analogous to some recent flagrant scams involving investor (not
customer) fraud. That's not guilt by association -- as far as I
know, Rossi is not associated with any of the people I
Wow that's a pretty bleak and discouraging assessment Jed, you must be
tremendously frustrated. I am just thankful that I am such a LENR
neophyte. Fingers crossed it appears the genie is now out of the bottle
and someone (Celani, Miley, Piantelli, Arata, McKubre, Ahern, Rossi,
Brillouin,
I have consolidated my remarks in this thread, with some additional
comments, into this paper:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/NiProtonRiddle.pdf
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
I wrote:
Even Bockris was nearly fired.
See:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BockrisJaccountabi.pdf
Some outlandish research, but someone's gotta try it:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BockrisJthehistory.pdf
Miles -- a distinguished fellow of the institute -- was reassigned as a
I agree with your analysis.
stupidity, selfishness, greed, conformism, is the main result of applying
Occam razor
2011/12/18 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
There is no conspiracy against cold fusion but there are sure are a lot of
nasty people trying to crush it, aren't there? As Bill
On Dec 18, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, among LENR researchers, who is not old, or very old?
The ones who are dead.
Only old people can do this. For a young researcher cold fusion
would be career suicide. Even talking about it. She
On Dec 18, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, among LENR researchers, who is not old, or very old?
The ones who are dead.
Only old people can do this. For a young researcher cold fusion
would be career suicide. Even talking about it. She
How about creating a foundation for distributing grants to researchers
in the field of LENR?
Of course the founding would come from private individuals and institutions.
Would that make sense?
mic
2011/12/18 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net:
On Dec 18, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
One lasting achievement of Rossi's genius at generating free publicity may
have been to bring young people into the field.
I hope that will be the outcome. It hasn't happened yet.
The timing of all this is unfortunate. Should an ignominious
First, let me say we should all keep in mind at year end contributing
the suggested $10 donation for vortex-l operation.
The main purpose of this post is to bring up the issue of possibly
routing all non-technical material relating to the Rossi E-cat to
vortex-B.
The technical content of
Jed you underestimate the contribution you have made. You have invested
a lot of time, effort and skin in creating LENR-CANR.org You kept the
LENR flame visible and alive when many others worked to put out the
flame and to bury it in an unmarked grave that would never be found.
On 12/19/2011
http://io9.com/5868883/mysterious-white-webs-found-growing-on-nuclear-waste
On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Michele Comitini wrote:
How about creating a foundation for distributing grants to researchers
in the field of LENR?
Of course the founding would come from private individuals and
institutions.
Would that make sense?
mic
I think this is a good idea.
The
On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Jed you underestimate the contribution you have made. You have
invested a lot of time, effort and skin in creating LENR-CANR.org
You kept the LENR flame visible and alive when many others worked
to put out the flame and to bury it in an
Horace we are discussing a technology and a device which may totally
alter the future pathway of the human race, how this technology has been
suppressed and is still being attempted to be suppressed on this forum
by those that make silly claims like there are no working LENR devices
in any
Well worded and couldn't agree more.
On Dec 18, 2011 6:29 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
First, let me say we should all keep in mind at year end contributing the
suggested $10 donation for vortex-l operation.
The main purpose of this post is to bring up the issue of
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
If LENR research is suppressed in the US then the US will be the worse off
for it.
If?!? What do you mean if? It is already as suppressed as anything can
be! There are not more than a 6 or 8 researchers in the U.S., and they are
all being paid for
On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:31 PM, MJ wrote:
http://io9.com/5868883/mysterious-white-webs-found-growing-on-
nuclear-waste
This reminds me of a weak Ni sulfate solution codeposition on
aluminum electrodes CF experiment I did years ago. Ni filaments
formed in solution - massive amounts, that
The problem is in the methodology used to determine who gets the money.
As many other foundations do.
If someone does not agree with a foundation politics, then he can make
a better one.
The good thing of LENR is that however expensive the research is, it
is to a level that it can avoid
On Dec 18, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Michele Comitini wrote:
The problem is in the methodology used to determine who gets the
money.
As many other foundations do.
If someone does not agree with a foundation politics, then he can make
a better one.
The good thing of LENR is that however expensive
On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
[snip]
How are the donations made?
http://amasci.com/weird/wvort.html
Being an old fogey I snail mail mine to:
William J. Beaty
6632 Corson Ave S
Seattle, WA 98108
206-543-6195 USA
I think there is a way using Paypal, but I don't
Horace,
Your plan has a much broader scope IMHO, would be nice some politician
were able to understand it and apply it...
mic
2011/12/19 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net:
On Dec 18, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Michele Comitini wrote:
The problem is in the methodology used to determine who gets
I think there is a way using Paypal, but I don't know what it is.
For the oversears of us would be nice to have it...
mic
Hey,Bill,
Do you have a Paypal account? It's time for Vorts to ante up.
T
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Michele Comitini
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
I think there is a way using Paypal, but I don't know what it is.
For the oversears of us would be nice to have it...
mic
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
You kept the LENR flame visible and alive when many others worked to put
out the flame and to bury it in an unmarked grave that would never be found.
Many others have made efforts of similar magnitude, even risking their
lives and health.
From Jed
...
Fleischmann and Pons had a terrible time. I think it traumatized Pons.
It did not bother Fleischmann as much because he is a tough, cynical
person who had nightmare experiences during WWII. The Gestapo beat his
father to death, and he himself barely escaped. He told me that he
Wow!
Can't we start an open source development of CF?
2011/12/18 OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net
From Jed
...
Fleischmann and Pons had a terrible time. I think it traumatized Pons.
It did not bother Fleischmann as much because he is a tough, cynical
person
One way to remember their achievement would be to rename LENR to the
Fleischmann-Pons Effect (FPE). ALL FPE devices should include it in
their name. Leonardo's E-Cat then becomes the Leonardo FPE E-Cat device.
Defkalion's Hyperion then becomes the Defkalion FPE Hyperion device.
Jed's web site
Seems Edmund Storms also liked to use the FPE term. Here he describes,
almost blow by blow how to replicated the FPE effect.
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEhowtoprodu.pdf
Note on page 9. point 7d he states:
Inductively couple an RF frequency of 81.9 MHz to the cell through a
On Dec 18, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
I have consolidated my remarks in this thread, with some additional
comments, into this paper:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/NiProtonRiddle.pdf
As typical for me, I continue to find and correct typos. Somehow I
submitted a back
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Jed, you have previously stated that you have private information on which
you base your conclusions as to the reality of Rossi. Please cut the rest
of us some slack! We have no way of knowing if your private information is
sound, or if you have
On Dec 18, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Michele Comitini wrote:
Horace,
Your plan has a much broader scope IMHO, would be nice some politician
were able to understand it and apply it...
mic
Yes it would have been nice. I think Hillary Clinton had some
similar plans , but was not elected. She
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
He knew he would be vilified and ridiculed for the rest of his life.
He went into it knowing what would happen. That was an act of courage.
But as he said, it was nothing like running for you life at age 13.
Mind you, it
This is so wrong as to make me very upset. I'll do anything I can to get
hold of a FPE device from Leonardo or Defkalion or who ever and shove it
up some FPE deniers back side so far the sun will never shine on it
again. And you wonder why I have no time for most university chalk heads.
On
More good info on RFG and magnetic stimulation of the FPE (page 7
section 4.2 Radio Frequency Stimulation):
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BockrisJtriggering.pdf
On 12/19/2011 12:13 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Seems Edmund Storms also liked to use the FPE term. Here he describes,
almost
Here is a bit of comic relief:
http://www.cfeis.com/images/pseudoscepsticks_cartoon.jpg
On 12/19/2011 10:13 AM, Horace Heffner wrote:
On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Jed you underestimate the contribution you have made. You have
invested a lot of time, effort and skin
Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
This is so wrong as to make me very upset. I'll do anything I can to get
hold of a FPE device from Leonardo or Defkalion or who ever and shove it up
some FPE deniers back side so far the sun will never shine on it again.
The good news is that
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
This is so wrong as to make me very upset. I'll do anything I can to get
hold of a FPE device from Leonardo or Defkalion or who ever and shove it up
some FPE deniers back side so far the sun will never shine on it
So you don't think the way FP were treated and the fact that
replication results were either forged or ignored was OK? BTW Mary we
are still testing and developing a FPE device. Many have given us
encouragement and assistance. Jed's archives are a Aladdin's Cave of FPE
wonders. Will I get my
I had a thought last night for the first time that light can have a few
more properties that we (or I) usually consider.
Of course the most obvious aspect is frequency and then if it is coherent,
how it is polarized and if the wave state has collapse or not.
The next aspect I am aware of but
We have not stopped our work on building a working FPE device. Jed your
archives are a gold mine. I'm trying to read ALL the papers as my brain
is very good at picking out individual items from different papers and
then piecing them together. It was interesting to read the Storm paper
giving a
Jed,
How we call inidipendent the tests made by Ampenergo ?
Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ? Do you know who they
are ?
These guys are all friends or in someway related to Rossi.
Somewhere there is the list and where thy come from (Leonardo, LTI..).
I wouldn't be surprised also
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
So you don't think the way FP were treated and the fact that replication
results were either forged or ignored was OK?
But that makes no sense. If it were possible to replicate FP and build on
it, there are
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011, Terry Blanton wrote:
Hey,Bill,
Do you have a Paypal account? It's time for Vorts to ante up.
Yep, on paypal it's just my normal email:
billb()amasci dotcom (figure out obfuscation)
Recent news: Me being insulted by William Shatner on ca-only History
channel
On Dec 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
You kept the LENR flame visible and alive when many others worked
to put out the flame and to bury it in an unmarked grave that would
never be found.
Many others have made efforts of similar
On 12/19/2011 5:19 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
If it were possible to replicate FP and build on it, there are
thousands of people and companies who would have.
They have been replicated. In many labs all around the world. Try
searching in Jed's archives. Have you not listened to anything Jed has
said
Well said Horace, well said.
On 12/19/2011 5:46 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
I should have said: However, when all is said and done, I expect the
creation and maintenance of LENR-CANR.org will prove to be the most
important contribution to the field, with the exception of those of
the founding
I am not betting for you if you think you're getting one from Rossi or
Defkalion!
And if you are wrong? As you know I'm talking to DGT to do a factory
visit. Just might talk Leonardo in one as well.
I would be delighted to be wrong about Rossi, Defkalion and your plans to
visit them and to
You have seen the high school students doing FPE excess heat experiments
at MIT during ICCF-10? They also found transmutated Silver:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/Experiments.htm (bout 60% of the way down) and
here:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/Collections/ICCF10.htm#Photos (Picture of our
Jed is 2nd
The use of the term FPE is misleading and confusing.
The Wright brothers invented the first controlled flight. It would
be nonsensical and misleading to call every kind of winged aircraft a
Wright machine, not distinguishing between a 747 and a piper cub. The
FP protocol was Pd-D low
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