Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-19 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
my five cents: a) aim at reproducibility, whatever the COP or power-level. b) produce a working hypothesis c) investigate 'ash' and side-effects: radiation, energy bursts, etc. d) repeat (a), (b), (c) until convergence a robust 'theory-experiment'- loop is established. e) aim for 'commercial'

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-19 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
now who engages on what level: To be provocative: SRI/McKubre is somewhere at level (a) to (b), less so at (c). Here commmercial -ahem- 'secrets' seem to set in. And when SRI does this, it puts itself outside the scientific method of rigorous interpersonal replication. It is of no help to

Re: Fwd: [Vo]:question about passive solar heat

2012-09-19 Thread Robert Dorr
Frank, How about just using black hose running in a back and forth direction from the bottom of your roof to its apex, with a temperature sensitive valve at the apex point, and a black hose, from the apex, running down the sunny side of your house into the hot water container in your

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com mailto:gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: And when SRI does this, it puts itself outside the scientific method of rigorous interpersonal replication. SRI and Godes are presently engaged in commercial RD, not rigorous fundamental scientific research.

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-19 Thread Craig Haynie
On 09/19/2012 10:58 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: [...] This has nothing to do with me. I am not in charge of policy at the U.S. Patent Office. They are the source of the problem. The purpose of a patent is to promote progress in technology by sharing information while protecting intellectual

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-19 Thread James Bowery
No. Patentability criteria are: Novel, non-obvious and useful. The utility of a patent does not exist if it doesn't actually work. On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.comwrote: I wonder why the Patent Office cares if the device actually works? The criteria

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-19 Thread Teslaalset
Power evaluations should not be done by electronic power meters, but with current probes and DSO's. Only in such case one can determine the correct power consumption from the grid. In such setup, even power consumption in pulses can be measured accurately. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:00 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-19 Thread Robert Dorr
Craig, I noticed several times in the cat patent, they mention invisible light. That's interesting, possibly an invalid patent, or possibly, one could patent one, using visible light. Bob On 09/19/2012 10:58 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: [...] This has nothing to do with me. I am not in

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-19 Thread Craig Haynie
On 09/19/2012 11:44 AM, Robert Dorr wrote: Craig, I noticed several times in the cat patent, they mention invisible light. That's interesting, possibly an invalid patent, or possibly, one could patent one, using visible light. Bob I'm sure you've seen this. You take a laser pointer and

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-19 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Yep,  lawyers involved in what I call the 'scientific method' seems to be a bad idea. See: ... In the 19th century, the invention of perpetual motion machines became an obsession for many scientists. Many machines were designed based on electricity. John Gamgee developed the Zeromotor, a

[Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion

2012-09-19 Thread Jouni Valkonen
It is hard to get money for cold fusion research. How about financing science using e.g. kickstarter crowdfunding schemes? I just donated $11 for space elevator project that is planed to be build at full scale so that it is operational around 2020. Capacity for payload would be around two tons

Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion

2012-09-19 Thread c_t
Dreadful choice, Jouni.Best choice in Universe is here;http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/the-papp-noble-gas-engine/Just sent this winner $100 two weeks ago,. You just exposed your ignorance but possibly your brain is flawed. Stay away from hallucinogens.MeowJouni Valkonen Wed, 19 Sep 2012

[Vo]:LENR article at Casey Research

2012-09-19 Thread Joe Hughes
I usually really enjoy reading the articles on the Casey Research site, although the latest article from their Chief Energy Investment Strategist is a total hit piece IMHO. Really burns me up - I think I'm going to have to send her an email in response to it.

Re: [Vo]:LENR article at Casey Research

2012-09-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
That seems to be a conservative think tank or something of the sort. I guess this kind of assessment towards alternative energy is not unexpected. 2012/9/19 Joe Hughes jhughe...@comcast.net I usually really enjoy reading the articles on the Casey Research site, although the latest article

Re: [Vo]:LENR article at Casey Research

2012-09-19 Thread Jojo Jaro
What is your basis for concluding that this is a conservative think tank? or is it just another one of your baseless opinions. The article appears to be a moderate piece written from the perspective of a skeptic of Rossi's shinanigans. A sentiment many of us here reflect. I do not see any

[Vo]:A LENR route to green fission?

2012-09-19 Thread pagnucco
A company formed by some SPAWAR alumni (and others), Global Energy Corporation claims to have a green fission technology nearly ready for testing in smaller markets - GUAM POWER AUTHORITY EXPLORES NUCLEAR POWER Next generation facilities could reduce power costs

Re: [Vo]:LENR article at Casey Research

2012-09-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
Please, I am not a liberal nor a conservative. And I did not have in mind the homophobic conservative kind but the economic thoughts usually associated with conservative think tanks. 2012/9/19 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com ** What is your basis for concluding that this is a conservative think

[Vo]:Scandal in Wikiland...

2012-09-19 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
FYI: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr- scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/ .and this is probably more common than we think: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19527797 As with anything on the net, if you want ALL the facts, you need to visit

[Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents

2012-09-19 Thread Jones Beene
If I had a nickel for every time ... Yeah, yeah ... you know the line. If I had a nickel for every time so-and-so inventor came up with a clever recipe for LENR success, I'd be a millionaire. So ... with that caveat in mind, here's a cheap tip about what to do with another cheap tip - all those

Re: [Vo]:A LENR route to green fission?

2012-09-19 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I'm having a hard time making sense of this on several levels. For a one thing, the Mosier-Boss results (including the paper you link below and previous papers, all found in a page on their site) document fast neutrons, not thermal neutrons. For another thing, fission would put the lie to their

Re: [Vo]:Scandal in Wikiland...

2012-09-19 Thread Alain Sepeda
Not so good for us. The inquisitors that block LENr feel they have a sacred mission to protect the population from manipulation and herery... they will became even more fanatic. I'm not too much afraid about greedy people, because they are a little rational, more about honest closed minds. The

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-19 Thread Alain Sepeda
this order is bad in real lifen and the rejection of LENR is caused by that pseudo-rational pathology... in real life the inventors discover a phenomenon, try to make it useful... if it work, they are happy and try to optimize until all is blocked... if not they are blocked... when they are

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery wrote: No. Patentability criteria are: Novel, non-obvious and useful. The utility of a patent does not exist if it doesn't actually work. Correct. I think useful means usable. That is, the invention does something, however trivial. It works. The purpose it is applied to may

Re: [Vo]:question about passive solar heat

2012-09-19 Thread mixent
In reply to fznidar...@aol.com's message of Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:36:46 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] I can think of no way to place the hose on the roof and get it to work. If the hose is lower than the tank it conveys hot water to the tank and shuts down the loop current when the sun goes down thus

Re: [Vo]:A LENR route to green fission?

2012-09-19 Thread pagnucco
Good points, Jeff Maybe, I'm assuming incorrectly, bu from Mosier-Boss paper excerpt - These results indicated that there were at least two channels - an aneutronic channel that produced heat (the so-called true Fleischmann-Pons effect) and another channel that favored formation of energetic

Re: [Vo]:A LENR route to green fission?

2012-09-19 Thread mixent
In reply to pagnu...@htdconnect.com's message of Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:33:12 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] Good points, Jeff Maybe, I'm assuming incorrectly, bu from Mosier-Boss paper excerpt - These results indicated that there were at least two channels - an aneutronic channel that produced heat (the

Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion

2012-09-19 Thread mixent
In reply to c...@inbox.lv's message of Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:04:33 +0300: Dear cat in box, Are you dead or alive? Enquiring minds desperately want this question answered. ;^) [snip] Dreadful choice, Jouni. Best choice in Universe is here;

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-19 Thread mixent
In reply to Craig Haynie's message of Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:13:21 -0400: Hi, [snip] These are nonsense, and threaten the whole concept of intellectual property, whereas original, creative, labor intensive, design, is denied. ..now you understand the true purpose of the patent office! ;) Regards,

Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion

2012-09-19 Thread Jojo Jaro
Robin, This is one of Chan's alter ego sign in names. The persons that go by the name Reliable, Chan, Phen, Ny min, Mint Candy, cy cle and other chinese names are one and the same person. How do I know this, simply that everytime I post a criticism of Chan's method, or the Flat Plate Heat

Re: [Vo]:Question Concerning Celani's Charts

2012-09-19 Thread David Roberson
A quick look at Celani's chart on page 31 of his report leads to a few interesting thoughts. In that chart he plots the excess power as one variable versus time. The shape of the waveform suggests that his device has most likely achieved a state of self sustaining operation for brief periods

Re: [Vo]:question about passive solar heat

2012-09-19 Thread fznidarsic
Frank, How about just using black hose running in a back and forth direction from the bottom of your roof to its apex, with a temperature sensitive valve at the apex point, and a black hose, from the apex, running down the sunny side of your house into the hot water container in your

Re: [Vo]:question about passive solar heat

2012-09-19 Thread Robert Dorr
Frank; I made the assumption you are on a city type pressurized water system, therefore no need to lift to roof. If your not, I see the dilemma. Pretty hard to do without some type of pump. Bob At 05:24 PM 9/19/2012, you wrote: Frank, How about just using black hose running in a back

Re: [Vo]:question about passive solar heat

2012-09-19 Thread fznidarsic
I live in the city with gas hot water. Its not for me but its for an isolated cabin. It has a pressurized system, however, I want to transfer hot water to the tank even when the water is off. I think the loop idea may work. It will only transfer a fraction of its flow rate to the tank and

[Vo]:graphs of reaction and decay networks

2012-09-19 Thread Eric Walker
I've put together some graphs of exothermic proton and deuteron capture reaction networks for several materials together with associated decay chains. See: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BzKtdce19-wySThpSnd3bUxJdDQ A PDF can be obtained by choosing Download from the File menu at the left. If

Re: [Vo]:graphs of reaction and decay networks

2012-09-19 Thread David Roberson
Hi Eric, I made a quick calculation and believe that your balance adds up. The net process is equal to the production of a He4 atom from two deuterons. Each deuteron releases 2.224 MeV to build from parts while a He4 atom releases 28.2933 MeV if constructed from basic parts. So if you

Re: [Vo]:A LENR route to green fission?

2012-09-19 Thread Axil Axil
Piantelli also found the two channel effect in his radiation experiments. This behavior was caused by the speed in which hydrogen loading was done in nickel. Slow loading produced radiation and fast loading produced heat.

Re: [Vo]:graphs of reaction and decay networks

2012-09-19 Thread Axil Axil
Where are the tritium and the neutrons? This reaction has two branches that occur with nearly equal probability:D + D→ T+ 1HD + D→ 3He+ n Then 2 1D + 3 1T → 4 2He + 1 0n http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron Cheers:Axil On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:50 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com