Re: [Vo]:Mark LeClair presents his thesis and supporting evidence

2012-09-21 Thread Axil Axil
try segment 3 on this: http://smartscarecrow.com/2012/09/presentation-by-mark-leclair-of-nanospire/ On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: There is just 1 pic of the presentation. Is there more? 2012/9/21 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:a paper of interest

2012-09-21 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Alain, Thank you- Roland Benabou is indeed a very important thinker- some of his writings to be included in the *List of vital and survival knowledge **you do not learn at school*. Groupthink snd its pernicious form- group polarization. Benabou in context say with Cipolla's Laws, wicked

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Teslaalset
I wonder whether anode and cathode are mixed up here. The cathode in such setup generates Hydrogen. Using a coin as cathode enables hydrogen to merge into the coin's metal lattice. Right? On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 12:25 PM 9/19/2012, Jones Beene

Re: [Vo]:Mark LeClair presents his thesis and supporting evidence

2012-09-21 Thread Robert Dorr
Give this a try. Still there as of 4:30 AM West Coast, USA. I can never remember if it's PDT or PST!! http://smartscarecrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/NanoSpire-Smart-Scarecrow-Presentation4.pdf Bob At 09:52 PM 9/20/2012, you wrote: There is just 1 pic of the

[Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation

2012-09-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/09/bechtel-president-of-renewables-discusses-ivanpah A $2.2 billion project in the Mojave Desert. It will come on line next year. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation

2012-09-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
Smoke and Mirrors, I know. On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/09/bechtel-president-of-renewables-discusses-ivanpah A $2.2 billion project in the Mojave Desert. It will come on line next

Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation

2012-09-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Smoke and Mirrors, I know. 300,000 mirrors! See: http://www.brightsourceenergy.com/stuff/contentmgr/files/0/8a69e55a233e0b7edfe14b9f77f5eb8d/folder/ivanpah_fact_sheet_08292012.pdf - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation

2012-09-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
I thought it was 375,000. That equates to 375,000 stepper motors to keep running in the heat and dust and high winds in Ivanpah. They really need your robots for washing Jed. Otherwise I was guessing about 50 tractors/fuel required full time to keep them all washed each month not to mention

Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation

2012-09-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: They really need your robots for washing Jed. I am pretty sure they will use robots! I can't imagine anyone planning a project of this nature in 2012 without robots. Otherwise I was guessing about 50 tractors/fuel required full time to keep them

Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation

2012-09-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
Dude, You believe too much in glossy greeny weenie advertising. Six months ago they were using farm tractors at their first installation. I guess they must have had a huge leap in technology. Maybe theyhave been communicating with crop circles On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation

2012-09-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: You believe too much in glossy greeny weenie advertising. You would rather have them build coal-fired plants? Or frack the ground under your house? Or build more nuclear plants after Fukushima? Or do you want to go without electricity? You should not

Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation

2012-09-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
With all the fuel those farm tractors are burning and the NATURAL GAS boilers onsight are burning at night maybe... To be serious I am for a greener form of energy that is one of the reasons I hang out here. I am also a realist about what is available here and now and support real research and

Re: [Vo]:Mark LeClair presents his thesis and supporting evidence

2012-09-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Mark LeClair has a fantastic story to tell. It should be recognized that very little of this story has been confirmed, yet some of it should be rather easy to confirm. I haven't listened to the show, but did review the slides. What I can tell, clearly, is that LeClair is theorizing way

Re: [Vo]:Mark LeClair presents his thesis and supporting evidence

2012-09-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
Except in the case of TSC theory and Akito explicitly agreed with me on this point. The difference it is that the major decay channels, or of their associated secondary radiation, carry low energy. A bubble from these processes, which is a micro or nanobubble, puts a lot of H/D close to each other

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Jones Beene
Actually, the polarity issue was one of the things that intrigued me about Chuck's results, in the context of AC. With DC and a graphite cathode, the suspicion is that carbon is participating in the heat, BUT Sites says he saw no thermal anomaly with other metals as the anode. Often, in simple

Re: [Vo]:Mark LeClair presents his thesis and supporting evidence

2012-09-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:55 AM 9/21/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: Except in the case of TSC theory and Akito explicitly agreed with me on this point. The difference it is that the major decay channels, or of their associated secondary radiation, carry low energy. A bubble from these processes, which is a micro or

Re: [Vo]:Mark LeClair presents his thesis and supporting evidence

2012-09-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
He indeed claim that at his presentation, so, it is at least 1 claim! I am not sure if it would always required a low temperature in this case since we are talking about a supposedly solid object at Mach 5 colliding against a wall. Some sets of tetrahedrons could be forced to that configuration

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Jones, did you take pains to keep the wires and connections out of the electrolyte? How did you attach the wires to the coins? Did you do anything special to prepare the surface of the coins, or just use dirty old circulating nickels? ;-) Thanks! Jeff On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Jones

Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation

2012-09-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
If only cold fusion were tortoises... http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/BrightSource-s-tortoise-move-tab-56-million-3881974.php On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: With all the fuel those farm tractors are burning and the NATURAL GAS boilers onsight

[Vo]:unsuscribe

2012-09-21 Thread johnsteck

Re: [Vo]:unsuscribe

2012-09-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
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RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Jones Beene
I'm trying to record a YT video today. This is much harder than doing the actual experiment. No pains or precautions were used. Alligator clips for leads. This begs to be repeated with greater care. Old coins were cleaned with ultrasound, and the nickels were flash nickel-plated, to get

Re: [Vo]:Mark LeClair presents his thesis and supporting evidence

2012-09-21 Thread Axil Axil
From this recent presentation, I have gained new insight into what motivates LeClair to spend so much time on his fusion/water crystal research. This knowledge that he gains in this area is central to the success of his cavatation business. LeClair’s business model is built around ultra-high

Re: [Vo]:JCMNS Vols 6 to 9

2012-09-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://www.iscmns.org/news.htm *JCMNS Volumes 6 to 9 published * Goodness. I am behind. I forgot to add them to LENR-CANR.org. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-09-21 Thread Axil Axil
Russ has conducted his first attempt at the Papp popper replication of Bob Rohner. More to come... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=zYNW9gbgySg Cheers: Axil On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Rwg42085 has built a replica of

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Chuck Sites
Hi. I guess I'm no longer a lurker. Fascinating. I can't wait to see the video.Just so know how machined the coins into electrodes; I just used a hacksaw and made two cuts into the coin to make a tab, and then bent it up with needle nose pliers. The tab was about 1/8 thick and stood

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-09-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
It seems like a credible effort. - Jed

[Vo]:LENRWiki.eu : first article... do you want to contribute...

2012-09-21 Thread Alain Sepeda
Just an announce for contributors, this is an idea about making a wiki on LENR... http://lenrnews.eu/?p=797 If some want to contribute, or even manage kindly... Our Wiki “lenrwiki.eu” start with it’s first article “Cold Fusion”. The article is very incomplete, but the content is already very

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread David Roberson
You are correct that the cathode or the lead attached to the negative supply is where the hydrogen is released. I have an experiment running at the moment with Borax and two nickels as electrodes. It is taking about 20 volts to get .5 amps of current into the system. So far nothing

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-09-21 Thread Jojo Jaro
I like this guy. I am a strong skeptic of Papp engine technology but this guy may have changed my mind. It's hard to see how he could have faked this. And, it's refreshing to see someone with such a bold stand for Jesus Christ say the Politically Incorrect thing publicly. This sure proves to

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: Chuck Sites Just to make clear, the nickel was always on the + side of the power supply, and is described in Wikipedia as the cathode. Hmm . I'm usually the mildly dyslexic one, but someone is confused: the + or positively charged electrode is the anode in an electrolytic

Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation

2012-09-21 Thread David Roberson
That money could have gone a long way toward funding LENR adequately. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:13 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation Smoke

Re: [Vo]:LENRWiki.eu : first article... do you want to contribute...

2012-09-21 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:17 PM 9/21/2012, Alain Sepeda wrote: Just an announce for contributors, this is an idea about making a wiki on LENR... I'll come over to the dark light side if I'm thrown off the CF and ECAT wikis. Otherwise I'm too busy pushing rocks up hills.

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread David Roberson
Interesting, but my nickel on the minus side of the supply is the one releasing large quantities of tiny gas bubbles. The one attached to the positive supply terminal was dissolved earlier with table salt but looks like it will survive with borax. I went around and around with this one

Re: [Vo]:Ivanpah 392 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) installation

2012-09-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: That money could have gone a long way toward funding LENR adequately. You can say that about any large sum of money, devoted to anything. For example, a small fraction of the $12 billion spent annually on cosmetics in the U.S. and Europe could go a long

Re: [Vo]:unsuscribe

2012-09-21 Thread Ron Wormus
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Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I got email on the from a lurker about this too. Agree. In an electrolytic cell, the cathode is the one connected to the negative terminal of the power supply, and this is the business end for H2. Jeff On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Interesting, but

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Chuck Sites
It will be interesting to see what you all get. I guess if your using two nickels, its not going to matter which is plus and which is minus. Your correct David, hydrogen should evolve from the negative terminal. Looking back at some old notes, It was on the plus side of the power supply (and

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:14 PM 9/21/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I got email on the from a lurker about this too. Agree. In an electrolytic cell, the cathode is the one connected to the negative terminal of the power supply, and this is the business end for H2. And with AC the ends will alternate?

Re: [Vo]:Mark LeClair presents his thesis and supporting evidence

2012-09-21 Thread Axil Axil
http://smartscarecrow.com/2012/09/presentation-by-mark-leclair-of-nanospire/ The LeClair talk is up on the smartscarecrow site and starts at about 30:23 in. Axil On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From this recent presentation, I have gained new insight

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread David Roberson
OK Chuck, I was confident in what I was seeing with my eyes. The quantity of tiny bubbles coming from the nickel attached to the negative terminal was far larger than the few on the other one. I chose two nickels just in case I did not make the proper decision and it looked as though it

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Heh. I guess that's the only possible interpretation. Dave talked about positive and negative terminals so I assumed he was using a DC supply. In which case the conventional definition makes sense. My first sentence was supposed to say: I got email on the *side *from a lurker ... Jeff On Fri,

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-09-21 Thread Axil Axil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kugCCqo5FBElist=UULuDKTNDFfat7iO7KGE7fQAindex=1feature=plcp Russ shows us the Popper kit he just received from J Rohner. Cheers:Axil On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Russ has conducted his first attempt at

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-09-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
Crystal forms of water, at least metal, at ambient temperature like he exposes, requires pressures similar, although slightly smaller, than those of metallic hydrogen: http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29713 2012/9/21 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-09-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
Note, this doesn't mean I believe their claim. 2012/9/21 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Crystal forms of water, at least metal, at ambient temperature like he exposes, requires pressures similar, although slightly smaller, than those of metallic hydrogen:

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This was the point of trying a crude replication. It requires nothing exotic to do this, and it appears that yes- there is unusual heating with the US 5-cent coins as both anode and cathode, with borax electrolyte, under

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Terry Blanton
This is all a joke, right?

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:14 PM 9/21/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I got email on the from a lurker about this too. Agree. In an electrolytic cell, the cathode is the one connected to the negative terminal of the power supply, and this is the business end for H2. Yes, the cathode is supplied with negative voltage.

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker This was the point of trying a crude replication. It requires nothing exotic to do this, and it appears that yes- there is unusual heating with the US 5-cent coins as both anode and cathode, with borax electrolyte, under AC power

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Ohmic heating is fully conservative, and if you put in 10 watts of electric power and get back 12 watts of heat, then either it is measurement error… or … not exactly Joule heating. Just to clarify -- I enjoyed the

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
The dissolving in salt water is a matter of course, actually. I used to work on fixed sonar equipment. It's astounding - the first time - what happens to dissimilar metals in salt water when there is a small current flow for one reason or another. But quickly you just learn from your elders: tell

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker Ohmic heating is fully conservative, and if you put in 10 watts of electric power and get back 12 watts of heat, then either it is measurement error… or … not exactly Joule heating. Just to clarify -- I enjoyed the report. I also took particular pleasure in hearing

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Nick Reiter will strive to publish a white paper on Sat eve or maybe later – of his extraordinary early findings with cobalt ions in Zeolite. This could blow Celani out of the water in terms of robustness, and Fran Roarty

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-21 Thread David Roberson
Eric, are you referring to my experience of today? Briefly, I was impatient and wanted to try something just for kicks so I got table salt and dissolved it in water. I used gator clips to hold two nickels in the brime and connected a DC supply. I had approximately 2 amps flowing with 7 or 8

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-09-21 Thread James Bowery
Has anyone tried applying Krytron techniques to get the rise time smaller while increasing the efficiency? Yeah, I know... WMD, DHS, etc. The problem is when we get into these high energy fast pulse systems, there is little you can do but step on some toes. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:46 AM, ecat