What I have understood is that momentum conservation is a shortcut,
uncounscious to free space physicists. It mean gamma as one particle to
compensate momentum.
In lattice, momentum can be dissipated in many way, moreover particles are
so bound to other particle that the allowed
The observation that the Rossi HotCat could be operating as a crude
resonator tube - may not have struck a chord with everyone here... at least
not yet. Understandable - since it may not be readily apparent how that
benefits the situation, even if true.
However, methinks the idea of a coherent
I have spent a good deal of time thinking about fission reactor design and
I have some opinions as these ideas apply to large scale LENR power
stations.
What makes for a competitive and cost effective reactor design is copious
power density. When you try to sell a reactor design to an electric
By the way, one of the reasons that the helium cooled pebble bed reactor
design never made it in the utility nuclear reactor marketplace was its
poor power density and “economies of scale” characteristics compared to
light water reactor designs.
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Axil Axil
It keeps popping up! They rediscovered it while treating contaminated soil
and other radwaste from the Fukushima disaster. See:
http://coldfusionnow.org/nanoscale-ag-may-decrease-the-radiation-of-cesium-134-and-137-by-lenr-transmutation/
- Jed
I do not see where I can add a comment to that article in ColdFusionNow but
anyway, here are three papers from Otto:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Reifenschwcoldfusion.pdf
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Reifenschwsomeexperi.pdf
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Reifenschwreducedrad.pdf
- Jed
Are there any indications the Reifenschweiler effect produces excess heat
along with the decrease in radioactivity?
[m]
On Sunday, June 9, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I do not see where I can add a comment to that article in ColdFusionNow
but anyway, here are three papers from Otto:
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Are there any indications the Reifenschweiler effect produces excess heat
along with the decrease in radioactivity?
I don't know much about nuclear physics, but wouldn't it be endothermic?
Kind of the opposite of cold fusion.
I have never heard of anyone
If Kim et al have now explained CF then there is nothing left for me to say
on this subject.
Harry
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
What I have understood is that momentum conservation is a shortcut,
uncounscious to free space physicists. It mean
The other forms of LENR can be used to stabilize radioactive decay.
Cavitation and electrical discharge(patented by Ken Shoulders) have also
been shown to effect half life.
Certain microbes that use charge separation in their metabolisms can effect
radioactive half life.
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013
There is a long way to go yet. Dr. Szilard patented the nuclear reaction
back in the 1930s. These was a lot to do after that point in nuclear energy
development.
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
If Kim et al have now explained CF then there is nothing
I wrote: I don't know much about nuclear physics, but wouldn't it be
endothermic?
Endothermic is the wrong word. It would not absorb heat.
I meant it would release less heat, since fewer reactions occur. It slows
down the reaction rate.
- Jed
On the contrary. If the half life is cut down to 2 months from 30 years,
the reaction rate is increased 180x. That means Cesium 137 would be much
more dangerous. But somehow, it is not and the hazard disappeared.
2013/6/9 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
I meant it would release less heat,
The BEC formed by the nanoparticles shields the gamma rays produced by the
acceleration of half life radiation relaxation rates. But the beta release
of electrons still occurs along with neutrino release. Alpha decay produces
particles with little energy so no bad side effects come from there.
vice versa. if it is decreasing the half life, it is INCREASING the
reaction rate, it's decaying faster.
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote: I don't know much about nuclear physics, but wouldn't it be
endothermic?
Endothermic is the wrong
On Jun 9, 2013, at 11:55, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:
vice versa. if it is decreasing the half life, it is INCREASING the reaction
rate, it's decaying faster.
Which, I believe, is more dangerous in the short term, and is desirable in the
longer term, because it means the radiation
leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:
vice versa. if it is decreasing the half life, it is INCREASING the
reaction rate, it's decaying faster.
Yikes! Of course. Time for another cup of coffee.
I guess I was thinking that after the test the sample would heat up less,
since there is less
Major problem is that it is hot powder than needs to transfer its heat. It
simply has a bad contact with the heat exchanger.
That seems speculative. Do we have any proof of that? It may be a
completely different decay pathway.
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The BEC formed by the nanoparticles shields the gamma rays produced by the
acceleration of half life radiation relaxation
The heat transfer contact is very good because it is made by quantum
effects caused by the BEC. I believe that the powder is super-fluidic. That
means that the hydrogen gas and the powder and maybe even the containment
tube are the same temperature (exothermic).
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM,
This may be a little off topic but anyway . . . On NHK the other day I saw
a documentary about food exports and high-tech agriculture in the
Netherlands. Here is a web page about it:
http://www.hollandtrade.com/sector-information/agriculture-and-food/
This is mind-boggling. The Netherlands is an
Pumping hydrogen through hot granulated uranium metal? No wonder there is a
reaction. And the negative feedback UH3 moderator theory sounds a bit vague.
If this was developed in the 1950s as an enhanced trigger in the
Upshot-Knothole tests - then LLNL may have stumbled upon LENR without
Someday a 50 to 100 kilowatt lithium based heat tube integrated heat pipe
and LERN reaction chamber whose dimensions are an inch in diameter and a
foot long made of zirconium. It will be connected to a vapor heat transfer
bus to the heat exchanger and serviceable by hot swap out.
This heat pipe
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
This may be a little off topic but anyway . . . On NHK the other day I saw
a documentary about food exports and high-tech agriculture in the
Netherlands. Here is a web page about it:
Rossi would need a container ship to do the same thing. This is not good
for a utility.
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Someday a 50 to 100 kilowatt lithium based heat tube integrated heat pipe
and LERN reaction chamber whose dimensions are an inch in
Early Los Alamos heat pipes contained water or sodium. In the mid-1980s,
Los Alamos developed a lithium heat pipe that transferred heat energy at a
power density of 23 kilowatts per square centimeter—to understand the
intensity of that amount of heat energy, consider that the heat emitted
from the
It includes bulbs and cut flowers - but agriculture only employs 4% of the
population!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands#Agriculture
I must admit I find a lot ot admire about the Dutch way of doing things.
- Leo
From: Harry Veeder
Why are light power dense LENR power plants necessary?
A Boeing 747 engine produces 25 megawatts of power per combustion turbine.
Twenty-five megawatts is the equivalent of about 33,500 horsepower. The
Pratt Whitney jet engines used in Boeing 747s produce about 55,000 pounds
of thrust on
Yes, apparently safe (although using UZrH not UH3).
What I was questioning is whether the hydrogen desorbtion at high temperature
really does control the reaction by changing the neutron moderation rate, or
whether something else is happening (which equally controls reaction rate).
It is not
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
That is hard to believe. Perhaps they mean second largest food exporter
per capita?
No, the second largest in the world. I think measured in dollar value of
the exports, not food tonnage.
Amazing, isn't it? A little country with 16 million people.
you might want to look back at my Jun 4 vortex post under a couple hundred
bucks...
I am working on using heat pipes to extract heat.
I have having to use a variable heat conductive path.
You have to balance the heat extraction with the keeping the system at working
temperature.
I have been
one interesting Dutch technology is Perfotec- they laser drill microscopic
holes in plastic bags to give just the right balance of CO2, O2, H20
transpiration to keep the veggies fresh twice or so as long during shipment.
Nothing like it in the US - yet. The match the holes with the specific
So in 2012 each Dutch agricultural worker generated an average personal
export revenue of 112'276 Euros, in addition to the local produce for the
Dutch market.
Charles
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: 09 June 2013 23:15
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 9 Jun 2013 08:56:37 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Hydrogen seems to disappear but in fact it has shrunk down in effective
volume to a state where its increased magnetic susceptibility can draw it
deep into the valence cloud of a ferromagnetic atom (nickel). The
The subject say it all, really: 'Yet Another LENR Miracle: Evolution
Didn't Find It'
If an energy source as abundant and ubiquitous as LENR appears to be
exists, why wouldn't evolution have found ways of creating the NAE (nuclear
active environment)? If you say It did. then you have to explain
I assumed one could control the flow of vapor by using some sort of
computer controlled valve with and adjustable opening capability. Am I
wrong in that assumption?
A microcontroller can supervise the temperature of N number of heat pipes
if the polling cycle is fast enough. A very good heat
It may be a matter of pressure. I would look at the bugs near thermal heat
vents at the bottom of the ocean or deep underground when the temperature
exceeds boiling for adaptation to LENR.
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:15 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
The subject say it all, really:
my problem has been if I get the heat out too fast, then the reaction stops.
These things like to stay warm.
I do not have the technical ablity to make many massive control systems.
I am doing well just to have one path and one system
D2
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:22:39 -0400
Subject: Re:
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
The people picking crops wear haz mat suits and ride on electric cars that
rise up to the high end of the vines. A robot train of picked crops threads
its way to the processing building. Pretty soon I expect robots will
The LENR energy source has a down side. It is not a source of free
energy to a biological system. The emitted radiation would be
obviously harmful. Consequently, the source would be only employed
when this is the only way to avoid death. Fortunately, evolution has
found better ways to get
I wrote:
People will want cheese produced on a farm nearby rather than
shipped across the country and loaded with preservatives to keep it from
going bad.
That was a bad example; I doubt cheese goes bad like that -- the normal
kind, anyway. But the general idea still applies.
Eric
How bacteria stabilize nuclear waste:
http://news.discovery.com/tech/biotechnology/how-bacteria-clean-up-nuclear-waste-110909.htm
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
The LENR energy source has a down side. It is not a source of free energy
to a
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:14:34 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Holland is also a major export port for a large part of Europe, and does a lot
of trade. So the export figures could include agricultural products imported
from other European countries as well as those produced
A better reference:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110906144558.htm
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
How bacteria stabilize nuclear waste:
http://news.discovery.com/tech/biotechnology/how-bacteria-clean-up-nuclear-waste-110909.htm
On Sun,
In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:03:25 +1000:
Hi,
[snip]
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:14:34 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Holland is also a major export port for a large part of Europe, and does a lot
...I probably should have said Rotterdam is
I wrote:
I like the high-tech approach to agriculture, but the hazmat suites and the
water sterilization seem a little anachronistic -- like a 1960s take on
what the future will be like. The view here in California looks a little
different, with the farmers' markets and the locavore movement
Material strengths are measured in units of the physical dimension
pressure. All evolution would have to do is concentrate nano-scale
materials of the right strength and composition. That seems plausible as,
for example, magnetite crystals have been found widely in
The idea that emitted radiation from LENR is harmful to organisms runs
counter to most thought about LENR energy release. I'm not saying most
thought about LENR energy is right, you understand -- I'm just saying that
if we explain away this miracle by that means, we should certainly
question such
We don't even know if the biological transmutation of elements has a COP
1. We aren't even positive if the biological transmutation of elements is
even real, but I believe that it is.
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:21 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Material strengths are measured in
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
I like the high-tech approach to agriculture, but the hazmat suites and the
water sterilization seem a little anachronistic
I imagine the suits are to protect from mold spore. Many times I have
seen a loaf of bread begin
On Jun 9, 2013, at 6:27 PM, James Bowery wrote:
The idea that emitted radiation from LENR is harmful to organisms
runs counter to most thought about LENR energy release. I'm not
saying most thought about LENR energy is right, you understand --
I'm just saying that if we explain away this
So if I understand your argument correctly, even though the detected energy
flux of high energy photons/particles has been minuscule compared to the
total energy measured from LENR experiments, it is still enough to account
for substantial biological disruption at the scales of metabolic energy
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Holland is also a major export port for a large part of Europe, and does a
lot
of trade. So the export figures could include agricultural products
imported
from other European countries as well as those produced locally.
No, the sources are clear. This is the
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
I like the high-tech approach to agriculture, but the hazmat suites and
the water sterilization seem a little anachronistic -- like a 1960s take on
what the future will be like.
Apparently it reduces spoilage. They do not do anything there by
Here's an interesting page with video of a Dutch indoor farming project.
All light comes from LEDs.
http://singularityhub.com/2011/08/14/dutch-plantlab-revolutionizes-farming-no-sunlight-no-windows-less-water-better-food/
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 9 Jun 2013 22:10:11 -0400:
Hi Jed,
I realize that whoever wrote the article believed that to be true, but they had
to get their figures from somewhere, and I suspect they used government sources,
which they may not have completely understood.
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I realize that whoever wrote the article believed that to be true, but they
had
to get their figures from somewhere, and I suspect they used government
sources,
which they may not have completely understood.
The information I quoted came from The Dutch Ministry of
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:04:25 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
A better reference:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110906144558.htm
This appears to refer to bacteria chemically processing the waste, not actual
remediation of the radioactive content.
Regards,
Robin
I'm saying that the process of energy release requires many quanta,
each with a small energy, to be released during the fusion process.
These photons have too little energy for many to leave the apparatus.
Heat is generated as they are absorbed by the material. This condition
is basic to
It may have been that LENR is too complex for biology to have taken
advantage of it. Also it may have caused DNA damage too difficult to
overcome for biological systems. Either way, the fact that it is not
widespread is accepted, but arguing from that fact that biological
systems should be one
On another thread, Edmund Storms posted how many nuclear fusion atoms
must take place to generate 1 Watt of power. We can work backwords
from that number, knowing that a certain number of Watts are
generated. Then we know how many atoms/second are fusing. From that
calculation you can figure
No, the sources are clear. This is the export of food grown in Holland. It
does not include food transshipped through.
Here's a source. $55 billion, of which $7b is flowers, and the rest of the
majority is trans-shipments, according to the USDA.
World exports in agricultural products totals
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