On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:12 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It is enlightening to consider the structure of the universe and the many
wonders that it reveals to us. Keep asking the right questions and you
will find appropriate answers.
I have observed the behavior of
thanks for the advice.
I got some contact, and it seems that general advice is that the article of
Mark Gibbs represent well the position of Nelson. That the report leaked is
correctly representing his position.
More precisely, it is not a definitive conclusion, and more work was needed
to
Dave says:
When ice sublimes, or water evaporates, a similar process may be taking
place. Heat is extracted from the water remaining during vaporization so
that a net cooling of the remaining water takes place. If I recall, wind
blowing over a wet leaky bag is used for cooling in some
On second thoughts, maybe this is exactly what you're saying *lol*
Sorry.
/Sunil
From: s.u.n@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nanoparticles make steam without bring water to a boil.
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 09:09:29 +0100
Dave says:
When ice sublimes, or water
This includes a nearly 1-hour long video of a visit to Brillouin, with the
most revealing look at the reactors that I have seen so far. See:
http://pesn.com/2014/01/16/9602422_Sterling-Visits-Brillouin_Berkely_and_SRI-International/
In the first part of the video Robert Godes describes the need
I didn't make an effort to identify exactly which water molecules are loosing
energy in the process. The end result is the same; the water left behind is
cooler and less energetic than it was before the vaporization occurs.
What process do you consider active leading to the vapor escape with
Instead of hijacking the previous thread, one detail is now morphed into a
new topic based on this exchange.
From: John Berry
DR wrote... I find that the CoE is an effective way to
validate the interactions among them.
JB Really?
Hi all,
After skimming Mill's book about how he treats the atom physics, I am
pretty amazed.
Folks, his theory is really accurate, and we should not dismiss it just
because of the hydrino prediction. He actually calculates the g factor to
the same level as QED, but he indicates it took two
I totally agree with that thinking.
My take is that those magnetic flux tubes in the corona are strings of dark
matter/energy, they are pulling a vacuum and cooling the sunspots they go
into. They break off during flares and are expelled into the solar wind.
They undergo inflation as they reach
Jones,
Thanks for the assist. In your theory of RPF, in what form is the energy
released? In the usual solar fusion process a neutrino escapes the active
region to carry away excess energy. Since they are difficult to capture, most
leave the sun along with the mass and energy from their
have you looked at my website?
I describe many details of Mills's theory:
http://zhydrogen.com/
Jeff
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe
stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
After skimming Mill's book about how he treats the atom physics, I am
pretty amazed.
From: Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Also if there any serious issues with his math I would like to know, else he
deserves respect, with or without the hydrino.
He is a brilliant thinker, yet the great disappointment in Mills (from most
of us on this forum) has been in is his failure to
From: David Roberson
Thanks for the assist. In your theory of RPF, in what form
is the energy released? In the usual solar fusion process a neutrino
escapes the active region to carry away excess energy. Since they are
difficult to capture,
I have a hard time in accepting the way that the hydrino is formed and what
it can do. First of all according to the Mills doctrine, hydrogen and/or
water is/are required. But LENR can occur without hydrogen and/or water. We
can produce transmutation in a pure element; say copper or titanium by
Eric,
The geometry of a solid skeletal catalyst is the same as the
geometry formed by multiple grains of nano powders. Both environments form
tapestries of different sized and shaped Casimir cavities. This environment is
where hydrinos are created and there is no reason to
FYI,
The link below shows a couple of videos that I believe are created by
fairly massive strings of vacuum energy in our atmosphere. These are
called sun dogs
The halo is lensing of light between the source(sun) and observer. The
radius is dictated by the mass of the string and distance
I think Axil is correct, it is the initial energy burst energizing the
surrounding vacuum component. I perceive dark/vacuum energy to ionize
oxygen in the atmosphere to (O--) (or dissolved in water) and as dark
energy decays to protons (2H+) it forms nascent H2O.
It appears to me 3-5 megawatts of
Years ago an industrial water heater was marketed sing cavitation. The sales
point was that it could use wastewater, but tests showed that it was an
over-unity device. Over-unity was not 'claimed'. I don't know if they are
still in business. Several investigators in the CF field used cavitation
That's gotta be the Griggs Hydrosonic Pump, still in production I think.
From: Mike Carrell [mailto:mi...@medleas.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:23 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two
Years ago an industrial water heater was marketed
Mike, do you believe that those older cavitation devices operated at over
unity? My main concern is that it is so difficult to make accurate
measurements of that type when the answer is so very close to 1. Too bad the
effective gain was not significantly higher. That would make our lives a
I recall Mills' consideration of a gyrotron as an energy converter. The
bsaic flaw is that the gyrotron is a high vacuum device and the BLP plasma
as fast electron source operates at about 1 Torr. Fundamentally
incompatible. Mills anticipates that matter from he pellet explosion will be
ionized
Hmm,
Actually I'm not entirely after hydrinos, it's the mathematical tool that
Mill's developed that interests me. What if you can use that math to prove
LENR? He does use an elegant way to calculate a lot of chemestry, why not
apply it to condensed matter?
/Stefan
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 6:33
Have you considered setting up a sage calculation sheet on a webserver with
formulas and equations
easy verifiable in the sheet, that would be impressive way to show that the
math works and could be a nice companion to the actual textbook.
/Stefan
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Jeff Driscoll
*As far as I know, the physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been
clarified or duplicated.*
For your information, the explosive expansion of hydrogen, helium, and
mixed noble gases have been demonstrated by Both Bob Rohner and Russ Gries
among others in a cylinder/piston format. Russ has
Russ Gries has publically documented his experiment on the spark induced
explosive expansion of hydrogen on YouTube. Under the new U.S. patent laws,
doesn’t that give Russ the first to reveal patent rights to that process?
Papp has the water IP rights tied down back in the 70's.
That gives
I am no patent atty but I think the US Law changed last year from first to
disclose to first to file, or something to that effect...
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Russ Gries has publically documented his experiment on the spark induced
explosive
FYI
Implementation of the Leahy-Smith America Invents Act
The U.S. patent system has granted patents to the person who could
substantiate that they were the “first to invent.” Fairly liberal
mechanisms existed that created a “grace period” allowing inventors to
receive patents from applications
What matters with patents is the specific wording of claims. Mills has on
his board of directors a world-class expert in intellectual property.
Igniting hydrogen with a spark in itself is not patentable: What Mills is
doing is much more than that.
Mike Carrell
From: ChemE Stewart
What path both Papp and Gries have done is not ignite( implying
combustion), they have produced supersonic expansion of plasma under spark
discharge.
That is exactly what Mills will demonstrate.
Like you, the world class patent expert was not aware that a public
discloser of the plasma expansion
I think what Godes said (or meant to say) was .020 (20/1000) inch
thickness tolerance. They're using Schedule 160 extruded stainless pipe
for the reactor, which apparently has a pretty loose tolerance of
around 12% or .050 for wall thickness. So they are ordering parts to a
closer tolerance
AlanG a...@magicsound.us wrote:
I think what Godes said (or meant to say) was .020 (20/1000) inch thickness
tolerance.
Ah. That makes more sense. Thanks.
- Jed
http://pesn.com/2014/01/16/9602422_Sterling-Visits-Brillouin_Berkely_and_SRI-International/
This also includes interviews with McKubre and a nice video tour of SRI.
Not to be missed.
- Jed
In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 20 Jan 2014 19:48:41 -0500 (EST):
Hi,
[snip]
Jeff,
I would be very surprised if the atom did not radiate energy under the
conditions demonstrated in your second link. A distant observer would see an
E field that is changing direction back and forth
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:36 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
There wasn't a law for the conservation of mass when the CoE was
proposed, but probably only because it would have seemed obvious.
Conservation of mass was proposed by the chemist Antoine Lavoisier in the
late 18th
Robin, there is only one lower frequency where radiation is not possible and
that is zero radians per second. If you believe that some other frequency
exists that is a threshold how would that be determined? What in nature would
separate one frequency from the next so that a well defined
In the upcoming demo, how can Mills show that he is producing 10 megawatts
of power from a plasma discharge. This power is a function of the pulses
per unit time which defines a duty cycle. To get to 10 MWs of power each
pulse would need to greatly exceed 10 MWs.
It is not like you can put a
Ok, good to know.
Now may I ask, what is the difference between the proposal of the
conversation of mass...
And the proposal of the conservation of energy? (accepted to be false)
Why is it any more logical that energy be conserved than mass be conserved?
John
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:41
Dave,, it has been a long time and my memory is a b it hazy. You might ask Jed
Rothwell for more details. This guy was a careful engineer who built a device
consisting of a large cylinder rotating in a close enclosure by a husky motor.
The drum hat pits on its periphery to created turbulence.
Bingo! That's the guy. He sold the company, I 'm happy that it still exists,
but O/U performance is not claimed; it's just a good heater for wastewater.
J. Mike Carrell
From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. [mailto:hoyt-stea...@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:31 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
STMicro has nothing to do with Rossi.
Cherokee stuff is all rumor, but at least it has something to do with Rossi.
3rd party reports in March -- he's been saying that all along, so why does
this suddenly mean an increase of 2%?
Defkalion has nothing to do with Rossi.
As has been stated upthread,
Blaze comes from an Intrade background. If Intrade were still up
running, we could have had contracts about Rossi's independent report or
all kinds of things. So if, prior to the publication of the ELFORSK
report, Blaze felt that there was a 65% chance Rossi would be caught
cheating, that's
The correct approach to Mills' work is t download a free copy of Vol.1, put
on your student hat, and dig in. As Tampe wrote, it is amazing. There is a
good introduction, and an orderly development of his theoretical work.
Hydrinos are a useful application, but not the core of his work. Dark
Matter
In reply to David Roberson's message of Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:41:12 -0500 (EST):
Hi,
[snip]
Robin, there is only one lower frequency where radiation is not possible and
that is zero radians per second. If you believe that some other frequency
exists that is a threshold how would that be
First, BLP is *chemistry*, dealing with electrons, not nuclei, which is the
province of LENR. Work in both fields centers on energy production from
reactions which are not mainstream science. Hydrino 'little hydrogen' is a
term coined by Mills to designate hydrogen atoms where the electron orbital
From: Mike Carrell
First, BLP is *chemistry*, dealing with electrons, not nuclei, which is the
province of LENR.
This is Mike's opinion, and he has followed BLP as long as any of us.
However, it is not fact. Remember that early on, Mills himself reported
tritium.
For many of
A very good practical engineering description, Jed.
I enjoyed reading about your account. Thanks.
So, you're reading up on W. Taft. I see he was a Republican. As you know, in
the state of Wisconsin where I live, several years ago we elected a staunch
Republican governor for the State of
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:20 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, the reason for non-radiation is that there is a lower
limit
to radiation as a phenomenon.
According to the presentation at zhydrogen [1], when the electron spirals
down to a more redundant level, there is a
A very good question. Realize that Mills magnum opus, GUTCP is *classical
physics*, not quantum physics now fashionable in physics circles. He claims
a consistent system of mathematics over 85 orders of magnitude. He has
applied the 'orbitsphere' reasoning to nuclei, but has not published much in
The proper study of Mills is Mills. Jeff has done notable homework, but in
the Technical Presentation found on the website there are summary tables of
atomic constants calculated by Mills using classical physics, compared with
accepted laboratory measurements. Mills' calculations are accurate to
I think I understand what you are referring to now. We are in agreement that
energy is radiated by atoms in discrete levels at 1 photon per chunk. The main
point I was attempting to make is that the actual orbitals must have
characteristics that do not radiate unless and until that photon is
Eric, the broadband emission of photons does seem a little problematic. I have
come to expect the energy levels of atoms to be so well defined that accurate
clocks are built using the transitions. Are you sure that you accurately
understand the source of that radiation? It would seem more
Mills may be mistaking nanoparticles for hydrinos. Nanoparticles can be
excited by a single photon. That incoming excitation energy is relaxed by
a broadband spectrum of many photons as the free electrons orbiting the
surface of the nanoparticles reemit the energy of excitation.
Broadband
I see what you mean Axil. Unless the nano cavity is a super conductor it
should loose energy to resistive walls like a normal cavity resonator. In
time, the total energy trapped in a normal cavity must decay to zero. Of
course, a very high Q cavity could maintain much of the original photon
If you remember, Milley discovered superconductivity in small cavities. He
says that protons were in these cavities but who can tell really.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:42 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I see what you mean Axil. Unless the nano cavity is a super conductor it
In general, Mills is weak in the explanation of optical theory and
nanoparticle theory. I looked for his explanation for evanescent wave
formation and the whispering gallery wave, also Fano resonance. He does not
cover soliton or plasmoid formation. My guess is that these well-known
Items do not
Come to think of it, if a single photon were to remain trapped within a tiny
cavity, it would loose energy and be converted into lower frequency photons as
that occurred unless the cavity had no loss. If you consider that many photons
could be trapped in the same hole together, energy loss
Axil, you might be expecting too much too quickly. It could well take many
years to fill in the cracks assuming that Mills is correct. Quantum mechanics
did not reach maturity overnight.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
But Dear David,
If you don't cover every possible contingency, how can you be sure that
your main posit is correct. You could have missed something important. Hand
waving just won't due.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:01 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Axil, you might be expecting too
I agree with you Axil. I suspect the theory will stand or fall when it
attempts to explain many of these special cases. So far, the applications have
been limited. If the theory is to move ahead it must be tested and stressed.
I am trying to keep an open mind in spite of plenty of
Mills needs to explain in detail, the white light(broadband) emissions case
in terms of fractional hydrino orbits. Maybe he has? But until I run
across that theory, I think that hydrinos are mistaken for nanoparticles
produced by catalysts.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:09 AM, David Roberson
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