Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots
I doubt the NRC aauthority extends to LENR yet. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE SmartphoneKevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi knows that in order to get his reactors to be approved in the USA, he needs to show zero nuclear effects. He KNOWS it is nucular, but to the authorities he will be saying showing NO nucular effects. none. By the time he sells ten thousand units, the NRC gets wise and has no capability to reign him in. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Ø Rossi saw 512KeV gamma from positrons in his early reactors. No, he didn’t. Rossi says over and over that there is no gamma radiation. He says Focardi’s theory had predicted gamma, but none was ever observed. On the other hand, Celani said he did measure gamma radiation during Rossi's test. Rossi was very upset with him for bringing in the meters. I do not know what to make of it, but that is what happened. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:RE: Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots
JONES Here in France trying to answer you on a tiny keyboard. P.H. as you note has not adequately considered spin energy states in a multibobody QM system and transitions from excited states to lower energy states. Until this gets addressed well with good predictions, IMHO improvements will only happen with empirical correlations. Hopefully the TPT boys will have some better insight whether empirically based or otherwise. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE SmartphoneJones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: It should be mentioned that this version, which envisions gamma radiation being fractionalized to DDL instead of all the way down to phonon vibration, could be at least partially falsifiable. Here's how it could be done. QSI makes nanoparticles of NiO which are close to the proper size for quantum dots. Once loaded with deuterium, checking to see if they will at least reduce, shield or diminish a 12 MeV gamma beam is as simple as providing the beam and detecting the intensity - with the loaded nanopowder compared against the unloaded nanopowder. _ The almost intractable problem for explaining LENR to physicists, or even undergrads in physics - is that there is no gamma - presenting a major obstacle to our understanding if there is to be real fusion. Almost all of the other problems in Ni-D, the Mizuno reaction, including lack of transmutation products and lack of neutrons have a possible explanation, since there is a known reaction with a short half-life that converts Ni58 and a deuteron to Ni60, leaving no lingering radioactivity. As mentioned in prior postings, Ni58 is a bit of an anomaly in having too few neutrons (lower amu than cobalt, for instance). Ni58 could be favored for this kind of reaction. Unfortunately, this reaction is so energetic in net energy, that the lack of gamma is almost as problematic as the situation with putative fusion of deuterons to helium. The most accepted solution to the lack of gammas is based on Hagelstein's evolving theory, which can be called gamma fractionalization. That theory is based on downshifting of gamma level energy, but without the photon emission, all the way to phonon vibrations at 8-16 THz, which is a massive drop of about 8-9 orders of magnitude - or a ratio of at least 100,000,000:1 (100 million to one) - which is an enormous reduction in energy over a very short time frame. Yet, the Hagelstein model, as a general premise could apply to the fractionalization to other energy levels - other than all the way to weak phonon vibrations, which are a fractional eV. For instance, a fractionalization down to the DDL (dark matter) level, is intriguing - in which case the ratio is much easier to deal with. Apparently, PH has never considered this as an option, so it is worth mentioning as a possibility for future inclusion into a broader theory. In Ni-D, such as the recent Mizuno experiment, where deuterium would transmute Ni58 to Ni60, if that much energy (12 MeV prompt + 6 MeV delayed) could be taken away as spin, transferred to a large number of atoms - then voila, that would be a solution. The spin would serve to decrease electron orbitals of deuterons to form the DDL. The ratio which is required drops from (100 million to one) all the way down to a few thousand to one. In short, Hagelstein's general premise can be improved via a DDL mechanism (dense deuterium or deep Dirac level). For this to work in practice, there would need to be perhaps 3000+ molecules of deuterium-loaded-nickel, operating as a unit (quantum dot unit) with some level of quantum wave coherence, with which to share the 12 MeV... which energy release would provide about 3.5 keV per molecule of deuterium - to push the molecule down into the DDL state. This level would have escaped detection. The quantum dot is typically the correct size, but is typically a semiconductor, like NiO instead of a metal. Most of these shrunken molecules simply re-expand, giving back the 3.5 keV (which is the signature of dark matter) which is undetectable in operation, but if at least one or two of them were to fuse to nickel, in order to repeat the cycle, then we have a limited chain reaction. The problem is that even if this scenario worked most of the time, we should see a percentage of high energy gammas. When none are seen, this casts doubt on the entire explanation. But it is worth mentioning, especially if Mizuno's new results should report an relative increase in Ni60 relative to Ni58 - or radiation in the 3-4 keV range. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots
Jones I think Celani had a coincidence counter setup to look for e-p annihaltion. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE SmartphoneKevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi knows that in order to get his reactors to be approved in the USA, he needs to show zero nuclear effects. He KNOWS it is nucular, but to the authorities he will be saying showing NO nucular effects. none. By the time he sells ten thousand units, the NRC gets wise and has no capability to reign him in. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Ø Rossi saw 512KeV gamma from positrons in his early reactors. No, he didn’t. Rossi says over and over that there is no gamma radiation. He says Focardi’s theory had predicted gamma, but none was ever observed. On the other hand, Celani said he did measure gamma radiation during Rossi's test. Rossi was very upset with him for bringing in the meters. I do not know what to make of it, but that is what happened. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: By the time he sells ten thousand units, the NRC gets wise and has no capability to reign him in. What would stop them? Even if he sold 10 million units, the government can start regulating them anytime it wants. The government did not begin effective regulation of automobile safety until the mid-1960s, long after millions of vehicles had been sold. I doubt the NRC has the authority to rein him in at present, but if they decide this is a nuclear effect I'm sure they would either extend their own authority, or they would ask the Congress and the administration to do so. They would have the capability to rein him in anytime they want it. This is reasonable in my opinion. If it is shown that cold fusion is dangerous it should be regulated carefully. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots
Robin It may be possible to measure differential voltages vs time at different places on the SC, if it is not instantaneous. I would expect to see no differential voltages. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphonemix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to frobertcook's message of Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:32:26 +0200: Hi, [snip] Bob In semi conductors electrons r enter and seem to change the energy states of all the electrons in the semi conductor over a considerable distance associated with QM system of the SC. TMK it's instantaneous. ...but could you tell the difference between instantaneous and the speed of light? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots
I think putative DDL state hydrogen (Df/H) and probably hydrinos would be more stable that you give them credit. At our environmental temperatures, the average kinetic energy is 1.5 kT which is about .04 eV at room temperature. Hydrinos would probably need 50eV in an inelastic collision to re-inflate, and Df/H would need something like 500keV. So, hydrinos would find some ppm of re-inflation on the tail of the Boltzmann curve, but the Df/H atoms would not. Long before you got to a 500keV collision, the Df/H would fuse with its collision target. Bob Higgins On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:26 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I have previously suggested that a dense cluster might also absorb the energy in the form of kinetic energy distributed among thousands of densely clustered atoms. I see that Robin and Jones were talking about hydrino reinflation yesterday, so my observation was a little late. One detail to add is that, it seems to me, unless there are a sufficient number of Mills catalysts lying around to further shrink wayward hydrinos that are thinking of reinflating, I assume they would all eventually reinflate through (endothermic) inelastic collisions. You'd start out with normal matter, get hydrinos, and end with (fully) normal matter. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season
The patient in Texas was put in one of the available hospital isolation units and the 3 paramedics have been put into a 21 day isolation at home. But the CDC admits that this patient may have infected others. How long would it take to fill all the isolation units, doctors are infected, and all the EMT's are in isolation or are walking away from their jobs? It was just two weeks ago Obama said it would be unlikely that Ebola would reach the US. Google Ebola unlikely and you'll see everything Ebola is unlikely to do-- go airborne, spread by airplane, become a pandemic... There is no way the US will consider limiting flights and quarantining people from countries with the Ebola epidemic. It never hurts to have a small stock of bleach, gloves, masks, plastic sheeting, food and water... and get yourself a copy of the Richard Preston's Hot Zone if you haven't read it. Its a really horrifying virus. - Brad On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:51 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: And so it begins exactly as I predicted: He went to the emergency room with flu like symptoms and they ... wait for it SENT HIM HOME. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 6:08 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry but since none of the usual policy experts want to touch this with a ten-foot poll, it is shaping up to have some features in common with other civilization-impacting failures of policy experts with which this list is all-too familiar: Early symptoms of Ebola are flu-like and it is contagious during these flu-like symptoms. Now ... consider the fact that flu season is upon us. But you know what's _really_ frightening about this? Not one of the goddamn idiot authorities has even mentioned, let alone assessed, this confounding situation's impact on public health containment measures. Now THAT'S frightening! Read the CDC's guidelines on monitoring and movement of persons with exposure and tell me their guidelines work for a country in the throes of massive incidence of flu-like symptoms.
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season
There are two rays of hope here: 1) That the high rate of infection in Africa will allow evolution toward greater ambulatory transmission of the virus. This sounds nonsensical at first but you need to understand evolutionary medicine and optimal virulence. There is a good chance the virus will have, among its _many_ mutations, a less virulent strain that allows its victim to remain ambulatory longer and thereby spread it faster than a strain that incapacitates its victim. This creates an evolutionary direction toward a longer period of contagion but lowers its virulence. There is, of course, a huge human cost to this evolution. 2) The Japanese have had, since September 2, a 30 minute Ebola test that they have been ready to mass produce -- unfortunately while the US twiddles its thumbs waiting for an event such as the one that just occurred in Dallas to wake up the slumbering fools. On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: The patient in Texas was put in one of the available hospital isolation units and the 3 paramedics have been put into a 21 day isolation at home. But the CDC admits that this patient may have infected others. How long would it take to fill all the isolation units, doctors are infected, and all the EMT's are in isolation or are walking away from their jobs? It was just two weeks ago Obama said it would be unlikely that Ebola would reach the US. Google Ebola unlikely and you'll see everything Ebola is unlikely to do-- go airborne, spread by airplane, become a pandemic... There is no way the US will consider limiting flights and quarantining people from countries with the Ebola epidemic. It never hurts to have a small stock of bleach, gloves, masks, plastic sheeting, food and water... and get yourself a copy of the Richard Preston's Hot Zone if you haven't read it. Its a really horrifying virus. - Brad On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:51 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: And so it begins exactly as I predicted: He went to the emergency room with flu like symptoms and they ... wait for it SENT HIM HOME. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 6:08 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry but since none of the usual policy experts want to touch this with a ten-foot poll, it is shaping up to have some features in common with other civilization-impacting failures of policy experts with which this list is all-too familiar: Early symptoms of Ebola are flu-like and it is contagious during these flu-like symptoms. Now ... consider the fact that flu season is upon us. But you know what's _really_ frightening about this? Not one of the goddamn idiot authorities has even mentioned, let alone assessed, this confounding situation's impact on public health containment measures. Now THAT'S frightening! Read the CDC's guidelines on monitoring and movement of persons with exposure and tell me their guidelines work for a country in the throes of massive incidence of flu-like symptoms.
Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 3:16 AM, frobertcook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: I doubt the NRC aauthority extends to LENR yet. It extends to anything producing ionizing radiation.
Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots
Terry It is my understanding that NRC authority only applies to radioactive materials made in fission reactors using fissile materials. Thus, for example, accelerator activated materials are not controled by NRC. However the Energy Reorganization Act which created the NRC spells out the details. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE SmartphoneTerry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 3:16 AM, frobertcook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: I doubt the NRC aauthority extends to LENR yet. It extends to anything producing ionizing radiation.
[Vo]:Steve Koonin is the latest WSJ shill for the oil companies
See: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/10/the_wall_street_journal_and_steve_koonin_the_new_face_of_climate_change.html Koonin was a prominent opponents of cold fusion in 1989. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: Hydrinos would probably need 50eV in an inelastic collision to re-inflate, and Df/H would need something like 500keV. Yes, this occurred to me, too. It will no doubt depend upon the population of hydrinos and how far shrunken they are. In a protected environment like the surface of the earth, perhaps they could be fairly stable. Out in space, in the solar wind, for example, I doubt this would still be the case. I'm not familiar with the considerations involved with Df/H, DDL hydrogen and inverse Rydberg hydrogen. Eric
Re: Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation
In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 1 Oct 2014 00:25:05 -0400: Hi, [snip] Since the second nickel nucleus has an extra neutron it is now in an excited state. While it is excited the hydrogen nucleus on the left retreats and the hydrogen nucleus on the right is approaches. Timing problem again. Gamma emission in approx. 1E-17 sec. Oscillation rate of the H atoms in the THz range. That means that the cycle time of the H atoms is about 1E-12 sec. Gamma decay is about 10 times faster, so most of the time the energy will be emitted as a gamma. Furthermore, I don't think the Nickel is going to be all that willing to part with it's new toy anyway. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season
Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: It was just two weeks ago Obama said it would be unlikely that Ebola would reach the US. Well, cases were already brought here, deliberately, to Atlanta. As they should have been. If you took that to mean, not a single case of Ebola will reach the US under any circumstances, you do not understand the nature of disease. In the largest, most mobile country on earth, with extreme air transport mobility, it is not possible to exclude the disease entirely. What Obama meant, and what the CDC means, is that an epidemic or pandemic in the U.S. is extremely unlikely. I think that is a reasonable evaluation. If the disease goes pandemic in Africa with millions of people infected, then I think the danger of spreading to epidemic levels in the US Europe and Japan will be much higher. This should have been controlled months ago when it was still below epidemic levels in Africa. People at the CDC and other professionals were pleading for the resources to control it. It is not their fault that this happened. It is the fault of the kleptocracy governments in Africa that have stripped their nations of resources, and it is the fault of people in the U.S. and elsewhere who oppose reasonable levels of funding for healthcare and scientific research because they are opposed to science. They despise rational, objective thinking. I'm looking at you, anti-vaccers, and you, creationists. Here is the world you want put us back in, where children die in agony, writhing in filth on the floor: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-spreading-in-west-africa.html The people at the CDC and Doctors without Borders are dedicated professionals who see this kind of disease in person. Believe me, they know what they are doing and they are trying to stop this. They are not to blame for any of this. - Jed
[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Murata Cheerleaders debut!
Apropos of nothing here are some quintessential Japanese dancing unicycle robots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82rL4xjFC_g Like much of modern Japanese culture these are cute (kawaii) and kind of creepy. - Jed
[Vo]:Interesting Mats Lewin Tweet regarding Rossi TPI Report
As reported on the e-cat News website: Twitter https://twitter.com/Cim_PY_@https://twitter.com/Cim_PY_Cim_PY_ Hi Cimpy. As you know the famous third party report is upcoming. Within a week or so, is my understanding. Prepare. I particularly like the last word of his Tweet, Prepare Robert Dorr - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4025/8309 - Release Date: 10/01/14
Re: [Vo]:Interesting Mats Lewin Tweet regarding Rossi TPI Report
Opps, that should have been As reported on the E-Cat World website not the e-cat news website. Sorry Robert Dorr As reported on the e-cat News website: Twitterhttps://twitter.com/Cim_PY_@ https://twitter.com/Cim_PY_Cim_PY_ Hi Cimpy. As you know the famous third party report is upcoming. Within a week or so, is my understanding. Prepare. I particularly like the last word of his Tweet, Prepare Robert Dorr No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comwww.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4025/8309 - Release Date: 10/01/14 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comwww.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4025/8309 - Release Date: 10/01/14 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4025/8309 - Release Date: 10/01/14
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-spreading-in-west-africa.html There was this relevant detail in an NYT story about the man with Ebola who flew into Dallas: Officials said Wednesday that they believed Mr. Duncan came into contact with 12 to 18 people when he was experiencing active symptoms and when the disease was contagious, and that the daily monitoring of those people had not yet shown them to be infected. I get that public health experts don't want to cause a panic by leaving room for doubt on the handling of the situation. But I think they've gone a little too far in the opposite direction and have given assurances in the face of something that brings some unknowns with it. Expressions of confidence when people can sense this is something that is kind of new can have the effect of undermining rather than bolstering trust in the handling of the situation. Such overconfidence seems to be common before financial crises, for example, and people are attuned to this dynamic. Eric
Re: Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:52 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 1 Oct 2014 00:25:05 -0400: Hi, [snip] Since the second nickel nucleus has an extra neutron it is now in an excited state. While it is excited the hydrogen nucleus on the left retreats and the hydrogen nucleus on the right is approaches. Timing problem again. Gamma emission in approx. 1E-17 sec. Oscillation rate of the H atoms in the THz range. That means that the cycle time of the H atoms is about 1E-12 sec. Gamma decay is about 10 times faster, so most of the time the energy will be emitted as a gamma. Furthermore, I don't think the Nickel is going to be all that willing to part with it's new toy anyway. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Every theorist begins by choosing to accept some impossibilities and to reject other impossibilities. It seems to me that the choice is based as much on logic and evidence as it is based on the theorist's particular training, personal experiences and intuition. Since I can't draw on a wealth of knowledge about chemistry, nuclear physics or condensed matter to lend credibility to my choices I will hence forth not theorize about this phenomena. Harry Harry Harry
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season
They could instill confidence quite simply by issuing the following statement: As President Obama has declared this to be a national security emergency, by executive order $10 billion of the DoD budget has been reallocated to contain the contagion. $5 billion will go to Eiken Chemical Co. for emergency mass production of its 30-minute Ebola test device http://www.ibtimes.com/ebola-outbreak-japan-develops-30-minute-simpler-test-quickly-diagnose-deadly-virus-1675502 for distribution to all US clinics and airports and $5 billion will go to procure biohazard suits for all emergency room personnel, including R95 respirators. All persons exhibiting flu symptoms will be asked to remain in their homes until samples can be drawn and tested for Ebola. In the interim all passing through customs from afflicted countries will be required to provide a blood sample which will be kept in storage until it can be tested. On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-spreading-in-west-africa.html There was this relevant detail in an NYT story about the man with Ebola who flew into Dallas: Officials said Wednesday that they believed Mr. Duncan came into contact with 12 to 18 people when he was experiencing active symptoms and when the disease was contagious, and that the daily monitoring of those people had not yet shown them to be infected. I get that public health experts don't want to cause a panic by leaving room for doubt on the handling of the situation. But I think they've gone a little too far in the opposite direction and have given assurances in the face of something that brings some unknowns with it. Expressions of confidence when people can sense this is something that is kind of new can have the effect of undermining rather than bolstering trust in the handling of the situation. Such overconfidence seems to be common before financial crises, for example, and people are attuned to this dynamic. Eric
