Re: [Vo]:Japanese news plays up Kamiokande neutrino experiment

2011-06-16 Thread Michele Comitini
They bet the millions $ on a what could be a statistical error. Analogy would say that CF would have a trillion $ budget ... :) mic Il giorno 16/giu/2011 02:28, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com ha scritto: This was featured on NHK today:

Re: [Vo]:mass-energy of virtual photons in our universe

2011-06-16 Thread John Berry
If light exerted a negative pressure on certain materials you would have a violation of the laws of motion and with it the conservation of energy as you could make a device that produces thrust from emitting and reabsorbing the same light. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Wm. Scott Smith

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 16-6-2011 2:46, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-06-16 02:37, Alan J Fletcher wrote: The black wrapping first appeared on the vertical column the mini eCat -- see the March experiment by Kullander and Essén. It's shown partly unwrapped at http://lenr.qumbu.com/110406-c-Img+4+OUTPUT.jpg

[Vo]:2011 Silver Gold Salons - Washington, D.C. area

2011-06-16 Thread todd
See alsohttp://iambloggerhearmeroar.blogspot.com/11-11-11 Gold SalonNovember 11-13, 2011Washington, D.C.http://psci.us/gold.htmAs a follow-up to the2007 Advanced Energy Technology Colloquiumin Bethesda, Maryland, the 11-11-11 Gold Salon will present the most advanced energy technologies available

Re: [Vo]:OT:Economic crisis and post-capitalism

2011-06-16 Thread Nick Palmer
Steven V Johnson wrote: Who all this global debt is owed to is of course the 64 quadrillion dollar question National debt has existed for a long time. When I was growing up I used to wonder why, if just about every country had a debt, they didn't simply pay each other off and then most

RE: [Vo]:OT:Economic crisis and post-capitalism

2011-06-16 Thread todd
It doesn't look like the burgeoning debt is going away anytime soon...seehttp://www.infowars.com/u-s-invasion-of-libya-set-for-october/Hence, the 2011 Silver Gold Salon events to move alternative techs forward in order to reduce our nation's dependence on foreign oil...yes, it's a Hail Mary pass,

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Michele Comitini
Some kind of aerogel? http://www.aerogel.com/markets/industrial-hot-products.html mic Il giorno 16/giu/2011 12:00, Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com ha scritto: Hi, On 16-6-2011 2:46, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-06-16 02:37, Alan J Fletcher wrote: The black wrapping first appeared on

Re: [Vo]:Hot air rises, even in constant volume

2011-06-16 Thread David Jonsson
Good to hear. I have been thinking since March last year. First step is to determine if Coreolis or centrifugal acceleration is the case. David On Jun 15, 2011 10:42 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: On 11-06-15 09:03 AM, David Jonsson wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 10:50 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Hot air rises, even in constant volume

2011-06-16 Thread Michele Comitini
Air baloon float because of Archimedes' principle. Pressure inside the baloon balances external pressure + baloon surface elastic force any time. So if inner temperature is high enough air density inside is lower that air density outside. pV = nRT mic 2011/6/11 David Jonsson

Re: [Vo]:Italian voters reject nuclear power

2011-06-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: The Japanese will be colder. Already, they have totally changed their business culture. They are wearing Hawaiian shirts and sandals to work because the air conditioning is off. I have not seen sandals, but short-sleeved shirts and no tie -- the so-called cool-biz look

[Vo]:Momentum Energy Conservation Entropy End-Run

2011-06-16 Thread Wm. Scott Smith
Momentum Energy Conservation Entropy End-Run Conservation Principles assume a closed system. One can view the Quantum Flux as a high-potential energy reservoir when it introduces a virtual photon; it can be viewed as a low energy reservoir when it removes a higher-entropy virtual photon

Re: [Vo]:2011 Silver Gold Salons - Washington, D.C. area

2011-06-16 Thread Terry Blanton
WTF?!? On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:44 AM, t...@wonksmedia.com wrote: See also http://iambloggerhearmeroar.blogspot.com/ 11-11-11 Gold Salon November 11-13, 2011 Washington, D.C. http://psci.us/gold.htm As a follow-up to the 2007 Advanced Energy Technology Colloquium in Bethesda, Maryland,

Re: [Vo]:2011 Silver Gold Salons - Washington, D.C. area

2011-06-16 Thread Esa Ruoho
This is awesome stuff to see catching more momentum. The Alternative Energy SHowTell has been organized a couple of years already, and now with the Bedini Renaissance Charge conference and this and the usual stuff (Extraordinary Technology Conference) - things be heating up :) On Thu, Jun 16,

Re: [Vo]:The irony if Pd turns out to be suboptimal

2011-06-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: I recently collected some obsidian .. and cut my hand while doing so. It's reportedly still used for ultra-sharp scalpels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsidian As much as I hate to admit there is something of value on Wikipedia, that article has a

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Krivit's previous blog entry is a doozy: http://blog.newenergytimes.**com/2011/06/06/cold-fusion-** may-ye-rest-in-peace/http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/06/cold-fusion-may-ye-rest-in-peace/

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-15 00:47, Akira Shirakawa wrote: A week of news is incoming, apparently: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/e-cat-settimana-di-novita-in-arrivo.html A couple more photos from the latest blogpost there: Short link: http://goo.gl/x50lj

Re: [Vo]:The irony if Pd turns out to be suboptimal

2011-06-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:45 PM 6/16/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan J Fletcher mailto:a...@well.coma...@well.com wrote: I recently collected some obsidian .. and cut my hand while doing so. It's reportedly still used for ultra-sharp scalpels.

RE: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa A couple more photos from the latest blogpost there: Short link: http://goo.gl/x50lj Well, the pessimists amongst us will opine that this is looking worse and worse as an decent energy solution, especially compared to solar or wind. Most

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-16 22:53, Jones Beene wrote: [...] The device is drawing 800 watts electrical and producing 2.5 kW heat with an investment of $5000 and a lifetime before refueling of 5000 hours. This makes the cost of low grade heat about triple the cost of solar electricity (or much more), if you

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Michele Comitini
On the meter you read 3.5A so electrical input power is: 3.5A x 230 V 800W mic 2011/6/16 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Jones Beene wrote: Well, the pessimists amongst us will opine that this is looking worse and worse as an decent energy solution, especially compared to solar or

RE: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Jones Beene
Well, aside from the issue of whether or not this is AC, in which case the RMS would be lower - we should await more data and clarification - especially if there is the possibility that this is electrical input is powering more than one E-Cat. -Original Message- From: Michele Comitini

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-16 23:00, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jones: I don't follow what is being said here. I am having difficulty understanding the Google-translation. Can you briefly summarize what Daniel said did here, and why you draw these conclusions? I see from the photo it has to do with a meter but I

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa wrote: A quick-ish human translation: * * * Last Tuesday in Bologna, by request of Mats Lewan, I documented with my Nikon [photocamera] the electric current measurements with a current probe on every power supply cable conductor - brown (live), blue (neutral) yellow-green

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:56 PM 6/16/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Krivit's previous blog entry is a doozy:

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-16 23:41, Jed Rothwell wrote: [...] So this high power input is a concern but we cannot draw a firm conclusion from it yet. Do I have that right? Yes, basically the point is that the meter shows a high power draw (~800 W) compared to last time (~350 W, see the April reports by Ny

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-16 23:53, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Yes, basically the point is that... Passerini just added a clarifying note in the comments: - Only one E-Cat was being tested - Rossi was testing special settings which could have determined the increased power consumption. Reportedly, during

Re: [Vo]:The irony if Pd turns out to be suboptimal

2011-06-16 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 16-6-2011 22:50, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Wikipedia is great for certain kinds of things. If there is no serious controversy, articles tend to improve over time. When there is controversy, though, Wikipedia supposedly has a neutrality policy, but they never figured out how to find

RE: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:53 PM 6/16/2011, Jones Beene wrote: The device is drawing 800 watts electrical and producing 2.5 kW heat with an investment of $5000 and a lifetime before refueling of 5000 hours. This makes the cost of low grade heat about triple the cost of solar electricity (or much more), if you

[Vo]:E-Cat: mass loss

2011-06-16 Thread Beinsen Kurt
If i'm right: During 6 months of operation at 10kW, 43200kWh are produced. As E=mc^2, there should be a loss of 1.7mg reactive mass, which should be measurable. It would be interesting if Mr. Rossi et al did that kind of measurement. --- Powered by

[Vo]:Defkalion press conference to be held on 2011-06-23

2011-06-16 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, Have a look here: http://goo.gl/Q348o http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/press-conferece-defkalion-il-230611.html Daniele Passerini (22passi) received today an invitation for a Defkalion press conference, to be held on June 23rd. Unfortunately for him (and for us too) he won't

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion press conference to be held on 2011-06-23

2011-06-16 Thread Terry Blanton
I guess they got their safety certification from the Greek government. Not a moment too soon for the Greeks! T

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-14 08:20, Peter Gluck wrote: My friend Steve Krivit is in Italy investigating the E-cat http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/14/solving-the-mystery-of-the-energy-catalzyer/ The E-cat has more unknowns, hopefully after Steve's visit their number will be smaller Krivit posted a

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat: mass loss

2011-06-16 Thread todd
If specifics are available on this tech, we could coordinate with the Italian Embassy here in D.C. to showcase this tech at either the Silver or Gold Salon this fall, as we haven't firmed up the location yet, so it would only make sense to focus one or both events are a 'silver bullet' technology

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat: mass loss

2011-06-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Beinsen Kurt 5...@paranoya.ch wrote: If i'm right: During 6 months of operation at 10kW, 43200kWh are produced. As E=mc^2, there should be a loss of 1.7mg reactive mass, which should be measurable. It would be interesting if Mr. Rossi et al did that kind of measurement. Given the nature of

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Rich Murray
Oh, oh... what is the water flow? How is the hose draped from device to sink? What are the heights of the device water output and the edge of the sink? How much water might be in the 3 m black hose that wasn't in the end that was lifted above the sink and drained? Seems necessary to have a

[Vo]:New Italian video on CF.

2011-06-16 Thread Harry Veeder
New video in italian with some historical excerpts in english. Harry Low Energy Nuclear Revolution http://vimeo.com/25150844 by Giacomo Guidi 1 day ago1 day ago: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:24pm EST (Eastern Standard Time) Un ingegnere e uno scienziato presentano al pubblico un controverso

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:46 PM 6/16/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Krivit posted a preliminary report here a while ago: Short URL: http://goo.gl/7jVM6 http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/16/preliminary-report-of-interviews-with-e-cat-trio-rossi-focardi-and-levi/ He doesn't sound very enthusiastic. My

Re: [Vo]:The irony if Pd turns out to be suboptimal

2011-06-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:24 PM 6/16/2011, Man on Bridges wrote: Just a thought, as Wikipedia seems not to be able (or isn't willing) to solve this problem, what about setting up a website with so-called green- and red-lists for wikipedia subjects that are respectively not and are biased by administrators just as

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Michele Comitini
Filli Rossi Pneumatica can have another meaning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatics mic 2011/6/17 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com: At 08:46 PM 6/16/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Krivit posted a preliminary report here a while ago: Short URL: http://goo.gl/7jVM6

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-16 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 10:58:59 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative At 02:30 PM 6/14/2011, Harry Veeder wrote: Since the Widom-Larsen theory explains

[Vo]:Fusion as process or result

2011-06-16 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 10:52:34 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative At 02:15 PM 6/14/2011, Alan Fletcher wrote: He sure is a hard-liner on the term Cold