Because this is in his flamboyant nature to show someting HUGE, LOUD,
POWERFUL, etc. etc.
He's convinced that the more is big, the more demostrates it works.
2011/10/17 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
He always said he /has/ to build a 1 MW plant.
Why /had/ he to do this, when he had
Cockcroft and Walton where known to me for the Cockcroft Walton multiplier.
This is a High voltage generator.
So far I could find on wikipedia, they did not fusion but fission.
They where the first who did real fission, using 800kV high voltage.
Shooting protons and electrons on Lithium they
Previous Post:
Ron Kita, Chiralex Few people realize that when one spins a symmetical magnet
as a ring magnet-the flux lines remain stationary in space. This is the
principle of the One Piece Farady Homopolar Generator.
I am not so sure. Think that this works because the magnet is constantly
From: Susan Gipp
Because this is in his flamboyant nature to show something
HUGE, LOUD, POWERFUL, etc. etc.
He's convinced that the more is big, the more demostrates it works.
IOW, size does matter. ;-)
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
he was perhaps mesmerised by the prefix mega
but what he uses is NOT real scale-up
peter
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:06 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
From: Susan Gipp
Because this is in his flamboyant nature to show something
HUGE, LOUD, POWERFUL,
Hi Ron,
Here is the page from Tel Aviv University:
http://www.tau.ac.il/~supercon/
It is likely that the white disc is a composite sandwich of materials which
is mostly (90%) merely a thermal insulator - possibly a white cloth or foam
of some kind holding a 'supply' of LN for an
The spreadsheet attachment came through to me. It is in the archive as well:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg53168.html
Attachments seem to be working better at Vortex.
- Jed
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Here is the page from Tel Aviv University:
** **
http://www.tau.ac.il/~supercon/
** **
It is likely that the white disc is a composite sandwich of materials which
is mostly (90%) merely a thermal insulator - possibly a white cloth or foam
Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote:
Because this is in his flamboyant nature to show someting HUGE, LOUD,
POWERFUL, etc. etc.
He's convinced that the more is big, the more demostrates it works.
I agree. That seems likely. He has often said that smaller, kilowatt-scale
reactors do not
I agree with Rossi. He must scale this up because this energy is so insanely
dense, that in a decade or so interplanetary spaceships can be build, with a
weigh of thousands of tons. Gigawatts will be required.
2011/10/18 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote:
Rich sez:
Wolf! Wolf! wolf? wolf... WOOF! WOOF! WOOF!
Technically speaking, wolves don't woof, or bark. They howl.
It is theorized that dogs acquired the unique barking characteristic
as a result of thousands of years of acclimating to a cooperative
symbiotic relationship with human beings.
I was only guessing. Jeff Driscoll found the answer in these videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyOtIsnG71U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyOtIsnG71Ufeature=related feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lmtbLu5nxw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lmtbLu5nxwfeature=related
Thanks for the work David, a few questions:
-It appears you are assuming the accuracy of the data from the secondary
thermocouple (excepting a simple 0.8°C offset) and that there was no water
in the reactor at the start (11:00) when the pump was turned on. Do you
think it unlikely that the
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 09:58 -0500, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Rich sez:
Wolf! Wolf! wolf? wolf... WOOF! WOOF! WOOF!
If wolves don't say 'Woof! Woof!', then why are they called wolves?
Craig
As most vorticians are aware, a certain mad Italian has explosive plans for
October 28, 2011, so to speak.
Here is an even nuttier nut-case commentary, turning the whole scene of Oct
28 into something of prophetic Revelation of grand cosmological
significance, and with the obligatory biblical
For an Allison 250C20 400 horsepower turboshaft engine used in many
helicopters and quite a few small airplanes ( now a derivative is called
Rolls Royce RR300 ) I calculated that that 1 megawatt of heat was needed in
the combustion chamber based on fuel use of 27 gallons per hour of kerosene
for
What about the BigBoy? How many E-tigers? 10 would suffice?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/UP_Big_Boy_4014.jpg/1280px-UP_Big_Boy_4014.jpg
Wouldn't be nice to see one of those back in action with a NiH powered
steam engine?
mic
2011/10/18 Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Here is an even nuttier nut-case commentary, turning the whole scene of Oct
28 into something of prophetic Revelation of grand cosmological
significance, and with the obligatory biblical gibberish to boot ...
Mr.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 09:58 -0500, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Rich sez:
Wolf! Wolf! wolf? wolf... WOOF! WOOF! WOOF!
If wolves don't say 'Woof! Woof!', then why are they called wolves?
They bark. See
Terry sez:
If wolves don't say 'Woof! Woof!', then why are they called wolves?
They bark. See here:
http://www.wolfcountry.net/WolfSounds.html
under Yipping.
Well whatdya know. I stand corrected!
Those yipping sounds sound pretty much like barking to me.
Mr. Murry and his bark has been
The reason that I included the pressure regulator in the diagram of the output
of the E-cat was based on two pieces of evidence. First, the temperature, T2,
in the 10/6 test gets too hot for room temperature boiling water, but is about
right for water at 1 bar (gauge). Second, if you look at
I have done experiments with flux pinning and 123 superconductor myself. Pick
the green projector on page 3 to view.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter4.html#Pg3
The rf coils release the flux pinning seen below.
The 123 material goes through its transition temp withing seconds from
The amazing thing about flux pinning and flux release is what is learned from a
superconductor can be applied to the atomic spectrum and to cold fusion.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092
Frank Z
-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic
From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 11:08 am
Thanks for the work David, a few questions:
-It appears you are assuming the accuracy of the data from the secondary
thermocouple (excepting a simple 0.8°C offset) and that there was no water in
the reactor
Rossi claims here, the FAT CAT has a surface of 5000 square cm and the
surface heated up to 66-80 degrees in the october demonstration:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=1#comment-93550
There was only 1 reactor active (of three) and the full 20 kW where not
reached.
Now
From Robert Leguillon
Mr. Rothwell never attacked me personally. He merely labeled
all remaining skeptics as ignorant/blind/foolish/etc. I think
that there is still room to question the results, and I'm
certainly not the only one. I think that the ad hominems can
stifle open communication,
From the teslafy wayback machine;
Wed Sep 23, 2009
Brother Robert Norris and I attended the weeklong celebration in Auburn Ind
from Sept 2-9 or so.. The museum itself occupied many hours... Many Parked
Auburns were on display downtown. These used ACTUAL generators in the
automobiles. These are
On Oct 17, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA
pretty
Very cool!
Check out this one too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyOtIsnG71U
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
A Swedish Mayan calendar researcher, Carl Johan Calleman, thinks that
the end date of this world period is October 28th 2011. He also thinks
that it is not the end of the world but the beginning of the new era.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Johan_Calleman
This would explain Rossi's
Focus Italia has now english translation in their video, so it is
rewarding to watch it again.
http://www.focus.it/scienza/e-cat-l-energy-catalizer-di-andrea-rossi-il-video-del-test-del-6-ottobre-2011-975_C7.aspx
The interviews are interesting.
Lewan thinks the reaction is triggered, when the
Rossi is always saying that he needs the electric power to stabilize the
reaction. Maybe it stars at 60 degrees, but needs to be hotter, or needs to
be heated for a long time, to stabilize.
Whatever he means by stabilize.
2011/10/18 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
What I still dont
They could have two cold water inputs:
One feeds into an internal heat exchanger and then feeds the preheated
water into the reactor, and the other feeds the cold water directly into
the reactor. Then the electric energy needs should be strongly reduced
but cooling down the reactor is still
Rossi has stated that the energy released by the LENR reaction is in the form
of moderate energy gamma rays(X-Rays?) These rays are converted into heat
within the lead shielding and coolant. If this is true, heat to activate the
core could be made to exit into the coolant to slow down the
Nice new videos about how advanced automation is already. Here
Google's car is trying avoid pedestrians and deers in the streets of
California and elsewhere. There is lots of new material and details
how these automated miracles are doing just fine without human's
intervening. Implications are
Self driving car crash:
http://jalopnik.com/5828101/this-is-googles-first-self+driving-car-crash
Yes, this might be true.
Of course, if they use an internal heat exchanger this would not change
the energy bilance.
But, in any case the water is pre-heated when they preheat the core.
If they would use and internal heat exchanger, then cheap E-Cat energy
would be used to preheat the water
Jouni,
In Italy they made this at a fraction of the price. Note that they
mostly run on electric power some of which come from the pv panel
on the roof.
short: http://goo.gl/3cdfe
long:
George Miley (U. of Illinois) recent published a Powerpoint presentation
(dated Oct-3-2011 on Google) entitled
Nuclear Battery Using D-Clusters in Nano-materials ---
plus some comments about prior H2-Ni power cell studies
at the following URL:
It is great to hear that Miley is still at it, and that he knows so much
about the Patterson material.
- Jed
Hello Jed,
I just spoke to a friend, and we agreed that it is time to buy the
ultra-short oil ETF (code DUG) - I am waiting for oil keep ascending in
price for the next couple of days, then I am going to add some DUG to my
portfolio.
It is getting very difficult to believe so many smart people
On Oct 18, 2011, at 10:36 AM, David Roberson wrote:
Rossi has stated that the energy released by the LENR reaction is
in the form of moderate energy gamma rays(X-Rays?) These rays are
converted into heat within the lead shielding and coolant. If this
is true, heat to activate the core
On 11-10-18 04:13 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
George Miley (U. of Illinois) recent published a Powerpoint presentation
(dated Oct-3-2011 on Google) entitled
Nuclear Battery Using D-Clusters in Nano-materials ---
plus some comments about prior H2-Ni power cell studies
at the following
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Most of the presentation seemed to consist of a mass spec analysis of
reaction products, with little discussion of heat production. The latter
seems to have been modest at best.
Again, did I miss something?
I think he now knows more about why
Hatchet Heffner hacks hence...
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
On Oct 18, 2011, at 10:36 AM, David Roberson wrote:
Rossi has stated that the energy released by the LENR reaction is in the
form of moderate energy gamma rays(X-Rays?) These rays
People who are convinced that Rossi's recent test did not display any signs
of anomalous energy should do the following test.
Materials: an 8 gallon (30 L) pot; a thermocouple or thermometer; insulating
material; some buckets; a logbook.
1. Fill the pot with 8 gallons (30 L) of water. If you
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:15 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
If the law of inertia is universally true, some sort of centripetal
force is required to keep the disc revolving in a circle as it moves
above the magnets. I can vaguely grasp how
Jed, how about this:
Enrico Billi tells us that they weighed the E-Cat before and after, but not
why it mysteriously gained a kilogram of weight. I can offer a plausible
explanation.
On the bottom of the E-Cat housing sits a relatively large volume enclosure,
the reactor module, which we are
Courtesy Mats Lewan
SWEP E8T-SC-S
http://www.swep.net/index.php?tpl=productsheetslang=enid=361Type=ESize=8TMaterial=SCPressure=S
Installation manual:
http://www.swep.net/fileview.php?file=1300709490
The brass piece on top where the flow passes is also from SWEP, probably a
standard piece for
it would also explain the false starts. the solidox might have started
burning, then gone out on its own from cooling too much.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, how about this:
Enrico Billi tells us that they weighed the E-Cat before and after,
Since the E-cat was leaking, it is likely that the insulation was
saturated with water by the end of the experiment. Could that account
for the gain in weight?
Bob Higgins
-Original Message-
From: itsat...@gmail.com [mailto:itsat...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Alexander Hollins
Sent:
All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted
by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered
by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur.
Now if this were done in a Vacuum then there would be zero air friction
If I recall correctly, people at the test saw the reactor enclosing as
big as 50cc not 2000cc...
Maybe Raymond Zreick who was present can tell us more. Raymond are
you there? ;-)
mic
2011/10/18 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com:
Jed, how about this:
Enrico Billi tells us that they weighed
Bob,
Excellent observation. And one that makes perfect sense.
Daniel,
Isn't the measured dimension of the reactor wafer 20cm x 20cm x 6cm including
the shielding (2.4 litres)?
How do you account for the fact that the density of lithium perchlorate is
2.4times the density of water.
How is the
Daniel Rocha wrote:
Jed, how about this:
Enrico Billi tells us that they weighed the E-Cat before and after,
but not why it mysteriously gained a kilogram of weight. I can offer a
plausible explanation. . . .
I would not call that plausible.
Over the past several years, many people have
Bob, excellent idea, this leaking could easily explain the excess heat gain.
===
Daniel, I think that skeptics are never assuming that there is
deliberate hoax, but it is just a measurement errors. They have some
sort of fixation to that that it is always measurement error and never
deliberate
See Mats hands at 7:46 that is the dimension of the reactor:
short: http://goo.gl/T86ek
long:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF8ifZZ_iVofeature=player_detailpage#t=460s
mic
2011/10/18 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com:
Bob, excellent idea, this leaking could easily explain the excess
I assume you are kidding Daniel. It might be possible for a very
sophisticated scammer to pull something like this off, but I do not consider
it likely in this case. I have seen a picture of the ECAT opened with someone
using a wrench on the interior heat sink attached box while it was
This is a marvelous effect. I wonder if it would simplify the problem of
mag-lev trains, especially ones that run vertically along a space elevator?
Conventional mag-lev trains use magnetic force to lift the train, and
gravity to oppose the lift. They require complex controls to keep the train
Yes. I think you are correct.
The slides' text is terse. It does appear that the more current
experiments fall short of Patterson's results. But, unless the reaction
products have been measured incorrectly, some anomalous nuclear reactions
are occurring.
On 11-10-18 04:13 PM,
John, Do you know where the energy goes that is put into the system of magnet
and disk due to the movement I mentioned? I assume it had to become heat
energy in one of the two parts of the system. Is it the magnet or the disk?
My first thought is that the magnet is the sink.
Dave
From:
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Mr. Rothwell never attacked me personally. He merely labeled all remaining
skeptics as ignorant/blind/foolish/etc. I think that there is still room to
question the results, and I'm certainly not the only one. I think that the
ad hominems can
Hi Horace,
Thank you for the kind welcome into vortex. I suspect that my oversized
attachment tunneled through the barrier; maybe using the same path as Rossi's
device.
You have written an interesting description of the old ECAT version and I plan
to review it thoroughly as time allows. I
Jed,
You have grown tiresome.
Leaving an anvil in a forge overnight was merely to overstate that it was at
full equilibrium. Despite what you may think, the core of an object does not
immediately reach the same temperaure as applied to its surface. Have you ever
cooked a turkey, Jed?
I have
Obviously, you prefer to go after an individual. Then you oversimplify
arguments with an 8 gallon pot. I cannot comprehend if you're being facetious,
or truly do not understand what we are referring to by stored heat in the core.
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Robert Leguillon
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
You have grown tiresome.
Leaving an anvil in a forge overnight was merely to overstate that it was
at full equilibrium.
You said two days, not overnight. Quote: I warm it in a kiln over two
day to roughly orange-hot (it is going to hold
I believe it has been conjectured that Rossi has not yet operated his 1 MW
demo prototype at 100% capacity. That's what I have assumed is the case
based on what others have said... or is that what Rossi has stated for the
record? I'm not sure on this point. Someone please correct me if I am in
Alright, I'll go over this again: Please, listen.
The E-Cat is not an 8 gallon pot that you take off a heater. The heater is
INSIDE.
When the E-Cat is turned off, there is still a hot iron core at 600 - 1000C,
depending on who you listen to. It has lead shielding. If there are adjacent
cats,
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
I certainly hope Rossi has already rehearsed the whole demo at 100%
capacity.
Take it from an engineer. He tested it as soon as it was assembled.
He might not have run it at capacity; but, it's
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
I believe it has been conjectured that Rossi has not yet operated his 1 MW
demo prototype at 100% capacity. That's what I have assumed is the case
based on what others have said... or is that what Rossi has stated for the
Correction, obviously:
I told him he should NOT make me the scapegoat for his mistakes.
You can see why he is presently upset with me. Unfortunately, making him
upset does not sway him or cause him to reconsider. His life history is full
of disastrous mistakes that he made after his friends
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
I certainly hope Rossi has already rehearsed the whole demo at 100%
capacity.
Take it from an engineer. He tested it
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Take it from an engineer. He tested it as soon as it was assembled.
It was not even fully assembled on Oct. 6, as far as I know.
He might not have run it at capacity; but, it's been tested.
I hope you are right, but that is not what he said.
I asked Mr. Rossi whether or not he has tested several ECATS together in a
moderate sized configuration to determine how well they function as a team. He
responded yes to my query. He further stated that he plans to activate them in
groups of 6 as he powers up the entire system. Also, there
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Alright, I'll go over this again: Please, listen.
The E-Cat is not an 8 gallon pot that you take off a heater. The heater is
INSIDE.
When the E-Cat is turned off, there is still a hot iron core at 600 -
1000C, depending on who you listen
I agree with Terry. Rossi is not a build it and take pictures kind of
guy. He is surely testing multiple units at once.
You don't build an array of something that complex unless you're
pretty sure about the individual units. And as soon as practical, you
start running multiple units at once...
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I asked Mr. Rossi whether or not he has tested several ECATS together in a
moderate sized configuration to determine how well they function as a team.
He responded yes to my query. He further stated that he plans to activate
them in groups of 6 as he
ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi has a team of people working on this project--nobody seems to
know how many people . . .
Five, I believe.
- Jed
When the E-Cat is turned off, there is still a hot iron core at 600 - 1000C,
depending on who you listen to. It has lead shielding. If there are adjacent
cats, they will also heat up, storing additional heat. Depending on the
description, this may or may not be in the bottom; it may or may not
I've been collecting a few links to steam engines available on the net
so that I'm ready when the e-cat's begin shipping. =)
Here is an interesting one-- a very small 10HP model ($2K)
http://www.greensteamengine.com/
Plans, full units, and licensing available.
A much larger one puts out just
Re: [Vo]:Is it possible Rossi has already tested his 1 MW prototype behind
closed doors?
fznidarsic
Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:07:26 -0700
When the E-Cat is turned off, there is still a hot iron core at 600 - 1000C,
depending on who you listen to. It has lead shielding. If there are adjacent
All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by
the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a
superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur.
No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same
On 11-10-18 07:34 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Yes. I think you are correct.
The slides' text is terse. It does appear that the more current
experiments fall short of Patterson's results. But, unless the reaction
products have been measured incorrectly, some anomalous nuclear
On 11-10-18 10:13 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Again, I told him that. He response was to accuse me of sabotaging his
work, and to blame me for his decision to make the Oct. 28 test
private.
So this test is to be private?
What does that mean, really? Does it mean we'll have to take the word
Well - everyone who has followed this story for the last year (or twenty
years for some of us) should perhaps go on record in the next few days with
their well-considered predictions, as Terry has ventured. And not just a
prediction but a rationale for the justifying their slant on the outcome of
A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100
years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega
hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say.
Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with
Hello Frank,
You have an impressive understanding of the flux pinning theory. Can you give
me an answer to my question? It appears that energy can be put into the
floating disk-magnet combination by pushing or pulling against the disk. Where
does the energy show up in the system? Does the
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