In reply to Danny Ross Lunsford's message of Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:27:58 -0700
(PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
You can forget the hydrino. It does no good to adhere to bad ideas. Angular
momentum conservation prevents it. We need to use good physics to get to the
bottom of this phenomenon, and ruthlessly
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:15:21 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Lawandy also claims the electron is mirrored in an adjacent dielectric not
orbital.
Lawandy bases his concept upon the notion of a surface. However at the density
he hopes to achieve, the spacing between positive
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:15:21 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
When the electron is not bound in a periodic motion of some kind around the
nucleus, there is NO orbital.
This describes the case when ordinary QM applies.
When there is no orbital there can be NO fractional
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:15:21 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
IOW yes there are electrons in the general vicinity, which balance the
electrostatic charge of protons or deuterons, but according to Miley the
electrons in IRH are not located in orbitals around the protons -
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 1 Nov 2011 21:32:14 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Ever since Arata introduced this technique I have felt it is probably more
practical and better than electrochemical loading. It is a little
surprising that it works at all, because most people say that loading
In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:44:58 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
Does anyone understand what happens to one of these fractional Rydberg
hydrogen atoms once it is released into the atmosphere? Does it gain energy
from the air and become standard hydrogen? I am just
In reply to Danny Ross Lunsford's message of Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:46:34 -0700
(PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
Fractional Rydberg? That's nonsense too - this isn't chemistry, it's not
electrons. It's nucleons. The key point is that nickel 62 is at the peak of
the binding-energy-per-nucleon curve. Somehow I
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:38:36 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Somehow inverse Rydberg matter
may be formed between and among these tubules with the help of the high
pressure and temperature of the hydrogen envelop and the mediating action
of an alkaline catalyst.
When did we
Not yet
--
I write a little. I erase a lot. - Chopin
--- On Wed, 11/2/11, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
around the peak - call it fussion.
Do you have a more concrete explanation than this hand waving?
If you haven't already seen it, skip to about 5:30 in for George Mileys
talk on what his group is up to (or 14:00 to get to gas loading stuff):
http://www.youtube.com/user/kiholobay#p/u/2/N1m2wQevFAY
getting about 350W/kg out of Pd-Zr nanopowder, 4bar D2 gas loading, room
temp. Claims no problems
Let's not forget about Japan.
The beast is far from being tamed. I do not know if the following is
true, I hope not:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-02/tepco-detects-nuclear-fission-at-fukushima-station.html
mic
Hi,
I recalculated the pipe diameter needed for the 1MW plant.
There is an important consideration that might have been missed by many:
If all steam is condensed in the heatdissipator then we cannot assume air
pressure at the other end of the pipe.
In this case we must assume almost vacuum at
Did the buyer take away the huge eKat in its storage container?
No he left it in Rossi's care. Andrea plans to sell it again to another
buyer.
A variation on the gift that keeps on giving.
That's humorous. But then... such a scenario doesn't make much sense to me.
Why would the anonymous
That is the question that I would like to have answered. Would the hydrino be
able to acquire the needed energy from the thermal energy available of the
atmosphere? If not, why have not all of the hydrogen atoms in existence (on
earth) been catalyzed during the eons of time that has been
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:49 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
What did I miss?
My acerbic sense of humor.
T
I would have to say that I agree that it must be possible since the system is
working. When all the questions have been answered, it will become clear that
the ECAT is real. Let's proceed to make it a viable design.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: peter.heckert
Terry Sez:
What did I miss?
My acerbic sense of humor.
Heh!
Specifically meant for Mr. Murray's benefit?
Sorry, Mongo still a little cunfuz'd on this point. (He lost his box
of candy in all the excitement.)
Mongo want's to know who's currently in possession of the eCat. Cuz...
maybe that's
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Mongo want's to know who's currently in possession of the eCat. Cuz...
maybe that's where Mongo left left his box of candy.
Rossi, or the alleged anonymous customer?
Inquiring Minds Wanna Know.
No idea.
- Jed
Jed sez:
No idea.
Thank-u Jed,
It's back to the candy store for Mongo.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
If you haven't already seen it, skip to about 5:30 in for George Mileys
talk on what his group is up to (or 14:00 to get to gas loading stuff):
http://www.youtube.com/user/kiholobay#p/u/2/N1m2wQevFAY
*There* it is. Thanks.
getting about
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:08 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed sez:
No idea.
Thank-u Jed,
It's back to the candy store for Mongo.
Candygram for Mongo:
The test was for a customer - his first name was Colonel - who
immediately hooked up the 20-ft
Terry sez:
...
Personally, I don't think he trucked it off since it would have taken
hours to un-plumb it. Not to mention that a number of the little
kittens resided on the roof of the container.
And as all cat owners, of the biological configuration know, they will
seek out warmth. So, if
The value of the first 1MW plant to the first dozen customers will not
be its steam, per se: Its getting first-mover advantage on learning
about this new technology that might replace 1/5 of the world economy.
Yes, the customer probably left the container on site with rights to
use it. Rossi says
Supposing a real Custome exists- this Agency is a candidate:
http://www.fastcoexist.com/1678736/this-genius-energy-agency-will-change-american-power
Or not?
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:35 AM, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote:
If there is someone in Bologna who could snoop around the Rossi
building and send us some intel, that would be fantastic.
Someone who is registered on his web log could just ask (except Jed :-).
T
Terry sez:
If there is someone in Bologna who could snoop around the Rossi
building and send us some intel, that would be fantastic.
Someone who is registered on his web log could just ask (except Jed :-).
A famous quote from Animal House comes to mind:
Dean Vernon Wormer: Put Neidermeyer
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:23 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry sez:
If there is someone in Bologna who could snoop around the Rossi
building and send us some intel, that would be fantastic.
Someone who is registered on his web log could just ask (except
Gabriel B.
November 2nd, 2011 at 9:23 AM
Dear Ing. Rossi,
You told further customers are buying your 1MW E-cat. Can You tell us
what nations they are from? Can You tell us what nations from They Are?
Are they Americans too or what else?
Thank you.
Dear Gabriel B.:
USA and Europe.
Warm
Kinda stupid. See:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/11/02/andrea-rossi-italian-cold-fusion-plant/
On 11-11-01 10:25 PM, Rich Murray wrote:
Steven A. Lawrence has presented a new argument,
No I didn't. (No credit where no credit is due, please.) It's the same
argument that's been bashed around for the last how-ever-many months.
I think it's vanishingly unlikely that the power level
On 11-11-01 10:36 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Rich Murrayrmfor...@gmail.com wrote:
Did the buyer take away the huge eKat in its storage container?
No he left it in Rossi's care. Andrea plans to sell it again to another buyer.
Boy, that sure saves a lot of
Fox News Kinda Stupid - tautology :)
Yeah, more than kinda..God I despise that organization.
--
I write a little. I erase a lot. - Chopin
--- On Wed, 11/2/11, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
From Stephen:
(Terry, what are you talking about? Sometimes I think I understand your
posts but this isn't one of them.)
I believe the honorable Mr. Blanton was being sarcastic. ;-)
To be honest, I wasn't sure at first as well. My excuse was that I had
been highly distracted for the past
Okay. Dennis Cravens told me that Miles is using:
15 to 30 g of ZrO2 with 35% Pd at 60psi 100-300 Watts self heats from
room temperature. It is loaded with deuterium.
Someone else wrote, assuming Miley means 350 W/kg. With 20 g of Pd that
works out to be 7 W. Since there is no input, it should
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
I think it's vanishingly unlikely that the power level could have been
held constant to better than 1%, and precisely matched to the pump
rate. Jed and a number of other people see no problem with it.
Nonsense! I never said that. I said I assume the water level
At 11:13 AM 11/2/2011, Danny Ross Lunsford wrote:
Fox News Kinda Stupid - tautology :)
Yeah, more than kinda..God I despise that organization.
In the bay area they're a PBS (KPFA) sponsor ! (Ch 2)
Kinda stupid. See:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/11/02/andrea-rossi-italian-cold-fusion-plant/
Why is it stupid? It sounds like a standard mainstream (and
you can not get more mainstream than Fox News) gee-whiz science
story that the man in the street can get excited about. Indeed, it
Hi,
On 2-11-2011 19:07, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-11-01 10:25 PM, Rich Murray wrote:
Steven A. Lawrence has presented a new argument,
No I didn't. (No credit where no credit is due, please.) It's the
same argument that's been bashed around for the last how-ever-many
months.
I
At 11:04 AM 11/2/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Kinda stupid. See:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/11/02/andrea-rossi-italian-cold-fusion-plant/
Koomey explained that cold fusion defies the laws of thermodynamics.
Energy requires an initial, consumable power source that erodes and
breaks down
On 11-11-02 02:22 PM, Man on Bridges wrote:
Hi,
On 2-11-2011 19:07, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-11-01 10:25 PM, Rich Murray wrote:
Steven A. Lawrence has presented a new argument,
No I didn't. (No credit where no credit is due, please.) It's the
same argument that's been bashed
vorl bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Why is it stupid? It sounds like a standard mainstream (and
you can not get more mainstream than Fox News) gee-whiz science
story . . .
I guess so. I would call it ignorant, unscientific blather. Also, regarding
cold fusion and its history, it is a grab
On 11-11-01 09:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Since the pump rate was constant, that means the power level was
constant with a precision of +/- 0.09 percent. (That's 9/100 of
1 percent.) This, in a process which is
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:12:47 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
That is the question that I would like to have answered. Would the hydrino be
able to acquire the needed energy from the thermal energy available of the
atmosphere? If not, why have not all of the
Miley wrote to Cravens:
Yes, we are getting some good gas loading results at the 100s of watt
level!!
That's with the smaller, ~20 g samples.
There was a slide toward the end of his presentation showing a NASA RTG,
which said that he is getting 350 W/kg. I guess that slide is out of date.
Miley slides are here:
http://ecatsite.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/dr-george-miley-replicates-patterson-names-rossi/
- Jed
I would not worry too much about the level of water in the boiler.
See this classical example of dobule retroactive feedback for managing
water level ;-) .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flush_toilet
mic
2011/11/2 Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com:
On 11-11-01 09:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Greetings Vortex,
If Rossi can get to a lightweight power source, here is a fantastic
helicopter application:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/11/four-quadcopters-fly-man-first-manned.html
Respectfully,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
Thank you for the response. The hydrino cycle that I am describing, aka heat
pump of some unusual type, would allow energy contained within the thermal
surroundings to do work. I can imagine some of that work being used to
generate radiant energy that could then escape the system. This
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Either that, or the water level fluctuated. That seems more likely to
me. When it starts to rise, you increase the reaction. When it falls
too far, you throttle it.
This is, of course, all old stuff being reiterated here. In the test
from last spring, the
Allan hinted on his blog that an unnamed “customer” of Rossi's device
is a military organization that starts with an N. Rossi said this
customer measured and verified the test -- and told FoxNews.com that
Paul Swanson with the U.S. Navy’s Space and Naval Warfare Systems unit
(SPAWAR) can vouch for
Of everything in the article, I found this to be the most interesting:
Several experts who spoke to FoxNews.com declined to comment or go on
the record.
Depending on who they talked to, etc. and if that actually is indeed the
case - then I see this as a huge shift in the general community -
Hi,
I am captured by this idea:
If hydrogen diffuses into metal, then it will probly outdiffuse in the
same way as it came in.
This will prevent high pressures in the metal lattice when heat arises.
The hydrogen will quickly diffuse out if heat develops.
It came the easiest way in and so it
Also more mainstream media:
Cold Fusion experiment: Major Success or Big Hoax?
http://news.discovery.com/tech/cold-fusion-02.html
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
From Stephen:
(Terry, what are you talking about? Sometimes I think I understand your
posts but this isn't one of them.)
I believe the honorable Mr. Blanton was being sarcastic. ;-)
At least some
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
This is, of course, all old stuff being reiterated here.
Regurgitated. ;-)
See? That is my humor.
T
Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Also more mainstream media:
Cold Fusion experiment: Major Success or Big Hoax?
http://news.discovery.com/tech/cold-fusion-02.html
Looks like the same article, copied from Fox.
I see an uptick in traffic at LENR-CANR.org. Not dramatic, but probably
related to the
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Kinda stupid. See:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/11/02/andrea-rossi-italian-cold-fusion-plant/
SPAWAR. I have had direct dealings with their Charlotte SC office.
HSA loves them.
T
The data collected during the October ECAT testing is a virtual gold mine to
explore. All you need is a sharp pick and a strong back to dig out the wealth.
All of us would rather have mined the placer deposit that would have existed
had Mr. Rossi placed the thermocouples in a better
Am 02.11.2011 23:16, schrieb David Roberson:
I hope that Mr. Rossi reads this analysis and considers placing the
heating element in close thermal contact to the core modules.Both the
heating element and the cores should be removed from close thermal
contact to the heat sink.If this is enacted,
I'm interested in your criticisms of mainstream physics. Is there widespread
agreement with your opinions on, say, QED? If not, what is preventing
mainstream physicists from seeing it?
Sent from my iPhone.
On Nov 1, 2011, at 4:25, Danny Ross Lunsford antimatte...@yahoo.com wrote:
My
I am pleased to see that you are now a believer in the ECAT Peter. We need
folks like you to help support the development of this fascinating technology.
I proposed to Rossi many months ago to use a flat core shape to enhance scaling
of his systems and in late September to place an insulator
Interesting images:
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2011/208/tracks-n-water.htm
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
On 11-11-01 09:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Since the pump rate was constant, that means the power level was constant
with a precision of +/- 0.09 percent. (That's 9/100
Widespread agreement? Everyone knows renormalization is a shell game (as
Feynman put it) but are either unwilling or unable to confront it. String
theory billed itself as a royal road away from ambiguity, but turned out to be
the deadest of dead ends, a one-way alley into absurdity. So we are
Hi Peter,
It could only be a vacuum if they were pumping the water out of the heat
dissipater and they'd need a pretty good pump to get a vacuum.
Colin
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:17 PM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Hi,
I recalculated the pipe diameter needed for the 1MW plant.
There is an
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:37:00 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
Thank you for the response. The hydrino cycle that I am describing, aka heat
pump of some unusual type, would allow energy contained within the thermal
surroundings to do work. I can imagine some of that
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