Re: [Vo]:A U.S.P.O. policy regarding cold fusion

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, that was for charge 2 Most went along #3. Charges are: (2) To determine whether the evidence is sufficiently conclusive to demonstrate that such nuclear reactions occur. (3) To determine whether there is a

Re: [Vo]:A U.S.P.O. policy regarding cold fusion

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: You don't get it do you? That event took place in 2004. Not Nov 2011. It has no bearing on where we are today. End of discussion. Except that Rothwell frequently cites pre-2004 results to validate the field.

Re: [Vo]:A U.S.P.O. policy regarding cold fusion

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The tests are irrefutable despite these problems. You keep saying that, and then in other posts you write that Rossi doesn't want to convince people for fear of competition or some such reverse psychology. How can

Re: [Vo]:Re: Randi Video

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also curious if you know another earth shaking revolutionary invention that has been brought out with such discretion and misdirection recently. Transistor zone refining, the

Re: [Vo]:New Warnings of Hydrovolcanic Explosion at Fukushima

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: So much for Hot Fission saving the planet. The biggest tragedy of Fukushima is not the deaths or illness it will cause directly, but the vastly more deaths and illness that will result from the greater use of

Re: [Vo]:A U.S.P.O. policy regarding cold fusion

2011-11-23 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 11/22/2011 11:14 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Jed Rothwelljedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: It is not possible that Yugo has made calorimeters yet she cannot follow this paper. I have no idea whether she actually knows anything about calorimeters since she has not

Re: [Vo]:Message sent to Kenneth Cage

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: the tobacco industry stopped cancer research; No, they didn't. They slowed down public acceptance of the danger, and government action against smoking. But from the earliest evidence, the medical establishment accepted

Re: [Vo]:A U.S.P.O. policy regarding cold fusion

2011-11-23 Thread Marcello Vitale
But nobody on this list uses one's real identity! Jed Rothwell is actually Wang Li, from Xiamen City, and he works for the chinese government, trying to keep the West from pursuing useful research. Aussie Guy is an old engineer from Pittsburgh, he went on vacation to Australia a few years back and

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: You would need to cover 7 times the area in a matter of minutes, also not plausible, and it would still require 7 times the heat transport rate from the core, which doesn't depend as simply on the area of contact.

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
If 60 kW was expended during 1.5 hour (from 11:00 to 12:30) to bring water from 30 to 100 degrees, that's 324 MJ; It was 160 kW from 10:30 to 12:30. the corresponding amount of water is 1102 kg. Since there are 321 sub-modules, that's 3.43 l of water per sub-module. Each module is about

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's interview with Tom and Doug

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: rapidly loosing the spin war As long as it's a spin war, Rossi's losing.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi to come to the Massachusetts State House tomorrow

2011-11-23 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-22 20:18, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, By the way, I wonder if he's met with prof. Hagelstein. A few months ago he wrote this on JONP: I thank anyway Prof. Peter Hagelstein for his attention. If the MIT is interested to our product, they can buy a plant, and make all the

[Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Gigi DiMarco
I don't know if it was already reported but I found some oddies in the hydrogen consumption October 6th test, from Lewan's report Weight hydrogen bottle: - before filling: 13606.4 grams - after filling: 13604.9 grams Total loaded: 1.5 grams Pressure H2 Bottle: 55 bar Reduced: 15 bar October

Re: [Vo]:New Warnings of Hydrovolcanic Explosion at Fukushima

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: The interview with Uehara Haruo was done 17 Nov, 2011 http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/architect-of-fukushimas-reactor-3-warns-of-massive-hydrovolcanic-explosion/ Ah, yes. I was speaking of

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's interview with Tom and Doug

2011-11-23 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
You know nothing, just your negative spin. AG On 11/23/2011 9:12 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: rapidly loosing the spin war As long as it's a spin war, Rossi's losing.

Re: [Vo]:New Warnings of Hydrovolcanic Explosion at Fukushima

2011-11-23 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Well we now know there your loyalties lay. HOT FISSION. AG On 11/23/2011 7:52 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: So much for Hot Fission saving the planet. The biggest tragedy of

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Robert Lynn
28th test: 1.7grams is 21 litres of H2 at 1 bar and 25°C (gas constant R=4120 J/kg/K). At 15 bar (assuming same as Oct 6th test) it is about 1.5 litres. If there were (from memory) 107 e-cats in the 1MW plant then that means about 15ml of hydrogen container at 15bar per unit, including all

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Jouni Valkonen
That hydrogen bottle weight is a good point. It has been discussed somewhere, but I do not remember was it here or elsewhere. This means with certainty that figures were fabricated and also in rather poor manner. There was initially also wrong units used, that hydrogen quantity was in kilogramms

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's interview with Tom and Doug

2011-11-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Marcello Vitale wrote: I currently have a broken meniscus in one knee. It hurts. I still have to touch it and think about it before being able to say whether it's the left or the right knee. That is a common problem. Another problem is determining left and right in another frame of

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: This means with certainty that figures were fabricated and also in rather poor manner. There is no reason to think the figures are fabricated. Weighing the entire tank is an extremely inaccurate method. Almost useless. There was initially also wrong units used, that

Re: [Vo]:New Warnings of Hydrovolcanic Explosion at Fukushima

2011-11-23 Thread Horace Heffner
On Nov 22, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: New Warnings of Hydrovolcanic Explosion at Fukushima http:// 1723news.wordpress.com/2011/11/23/new-warnings-of-hydrovolcanic- explosion-at-fukushima/ Just remember this is 3 reactors going China Syndrome and not just one as in 3 mile or

RE: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Robert Leguillon
There are obviously much, much bigger problems than the weight of the hydrogen tank, but nevertheless: September 7th: Hydrogen was filled after having checked that there was no pressure inside the E-cat. The bottle was attached, opened, closed, and detached. Weight hydrogen bottle: -

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

2011-11-23 Thread David Roberson
There is additional evidence to support the hypothesis I put forward. I have been following a discussion about the large power output rise in a short time that some suggest is not possible. I do not know whether or not that is a real problem but the following theory easily eliminates that

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!

2011-11-23 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-21 12:41, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Ok, its time to spread some new rumours, to avoid boredness: I just found this on the Facebook Rossi Cold Fusion fan page: Giuliano Bettini On the Defkalion - Piantelli connection.

RE: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

2011-11-23 Thread Robert Leguillon
Are the numbers and slow temperature gradient not entirely consistent with overflowing E-Cats as well? You take a great deal of time and expend a great deal of effort constructing intellectually fascinating models. Consider, though, if the E-Cats are overflowing, and the actual steam

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Daniel Rocha
I have a doubt. Is that H2 pressure just on the loading before the experiment? But, there is no mention of what is the pressure during the experiment, right? 2011/11/23 Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com There are obviously much, much bigger problems than the weight of the hydrogen

Re: [Vo]:New Warnings of Hydrovolcanic Explosion at Fukushima

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Well we now know there your loyalties lay. HOT FISSION. No, you don't actually. You only know that I consider fission to be more viable and environmentally benign than fossil fuels, which currently supply 80 to

[Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement

2011-11-23 Thread David ledin
Defkalion GT Defkalion Green Technologies respects Andrea Rossi, acknowledges his work, and congratulated him on his public efforts to validate LENR technology in the public domain. You all are kindly ask not to confuse our Hyperion technology with others’ (eg.ecat). We are not willing to answer

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's interview with Tom and Doug

2011-11-23 Thread Michele Comitini
Maybe he is ambidextrous, not to rare as condition. By direct experience I can say that unless using some tricks, like a wearing a watch or a ring and looking at it, explaining simple right/left related action in words becomes complex. Remembering is even worse unless the memory holds the

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

2011-11-23 Thread David Roberson
I gave the model you mentioned a great deal of consideration as well. The evidence does not support that concept for several reasons. I could not see any explanation for the lack of water being captured by the trap set by the engineer as one example. He states that he collected all of the

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread David Roberson
I have never seen any indication of the H2 pressure during the experiment. It would seem logical that the pressure would vary quite a lot with temperature. Dave -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 10:16

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
just to cite data from the FAQ http://faq.ecat.com/112273/how-much-ni-is-in-the-cell/ so the needed Ni is about 10mg/kW (with pg really consumed in 6 months) the needed H is about ten times less 1mg/kW note that CF according to the presented success, need a 1/1 loading ratio (in atoms) between

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement

2011-11-23 Thread David Roberson
This is going to be interesting. Dave -Original Message- From: David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 10:20 am Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement Defkalion GT Defkalion Green Technologies respects Andrea Rossi,

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Robert Lynn
What if it isn't an error? 1.7g of hydrogen if pressurised to 15bar is about 1.5L or 14mL of hydrogen per E-cat for 107 E-cats. 100 grams of nickel powder at 50% packing (I think this was stated nickel mass in original e-cat, though original e-cat was supposedly ~50mL) could take as little as

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Robert Lynn
I believe Rossi has lately claimed that there is only about 1kg of nickel powder per 1MW (astonishing if true) Oops, according to the man himself it is 10kg, so about 100g per ecat (will run for 6 months) + 1g of hydrogen per ecat per day.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement

2011-11-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Ledin: Defkalion GT ... You all are kindly ask not to confuse our Hyperion technology with others’ (eg.ecat). We are not willing to answer any questions pertaining to third party initiatives in LENR. We have made our own progress, both on technical and business matters. So we will not

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's interview with Tom and Doug

2011-11-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
A former girlfriend of mine, for which I'm happy to say I'm still on good terms with, has a rated IQ of 150 or higher. Don't ever play a game of GO with her. You will be humiliated. She cannot tell her right hand from her left without manually taking the effort of looking at them. Regards Steven

[Vo]:Speaking of Italian Eccentrics

2011-11-23 Thread Jones Beene
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-495538/Eighth-wonder-world-The-stunn ing-temples-secretly-carved-ground-paranormal-eccentric.html attachment: winmail.dat

Re: [Vo]:Sven Kullader's cold fusion talk is upon us.

2011-11-23 Thread Michele Comitini
Is anyone going? no one? Seems like there has been a lecture on 11/9 and maybe another on 11/16, but I cannot find a reference to the latter. http://www.tekniskaforeningeniuppsala.com/program.htm mic 2011/11/22 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: Will anyone go there? It's today (11/23).

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement

2011-11-23 Thread Peter Gluck
I think that they speak the truth and actually it is not very difficult to find additives with the same functionality as Rossi's so-called catalyst. Chan's Method is an other proof and indication of what this additive can be. Defkalion has good engineers and managers and will be one of the most

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement

2011-11-23 Thread Daniel Rocha
Did anyone try to reproduce Chan's method? Did he post a video or something? He could post a fast forward video just as a motivation for other to reproduce the experiment. 2011/11/23 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com I think that they speak the truth and actually it is not very difficult to

Re: [Vo]:Speaking of Italian Eccentrics

2011-11-23 Thread Michele Comitini
Oh my! Been living close to the place (5km range). That is a sect, to join you must give them all of your properties, they use their own currency. Any kind of earnings from go to the sect. Their respect for natural environment is a tale... And the worst thing about it is that it is very ...

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/11/23 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Weighing the entire tank is an extremely inaccurate method. Almost useless. That is nonsense. They were using precision scale and those are usually telling the truth. Of course few gram mistakes can occur, like one did occur in January, when Levi

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement

2011-11-23 Thread Peter Gluck
This needs time, building the setup, acquiring the sort of nanoNi. The idea to use a metal hydride as hydrogen source is bright. See the literature re MgH2. Peter On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone try to reproduce Chan's method? Did he post a

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Daniel Rocha
1.7Kg of hydrogen means 850mols of H2, or ~20,000 liters of hydrogen, or 20m^3 at 1bar. I guess even at 25 bar, it wouldn't fit in there... 2011/11/23 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com 2011/11/23 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Weighing the entire tank is an extremely inaccurate

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement

2011-11-23 Thread Daniel Rocha
Well, but he already built the thing... He could post a video at least. 2011/11/23 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com This needs time, building the setup, acquiring the sort of nanoNi. The idea to use a metal hydride as hydrogen source is bright. See the literature re MgH2. Peter On Wed,

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement

2011-11-23 Thread Peter Gluck
You can see at the site that the method was communicated by somebody else. It is possible he does not make videos. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, but he already built the thing... He could post a video at least. 2011/11/23 Peter Gluck

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/11/23 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: 1.7Kg of hydrogen means 850mols of H2, or ~20,000 liters of hydrogen, or 20m^3 at 1bar. I guess even at 25 bar, it wouldn't fit in there... That is true, with 2.5 MPa pressure it would still take volume of 830 liters. So this my idea for mistake

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: So, no connection between Piantelli and Defkalion GT. That's actually good news. We will have three NiH reactor manufacturers in competition. T

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:38 AM 11/23/2011, Gigi DiMarco wrote: I don't know if it was already reported but I found some oddies in the hydrogen consumption October 28th test, from Fioravanti/Rossi's report For Oct 28, don't forget the restart -- they started the eCat, it was unstable, so they lowered the

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!

2011-11-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: That's actually good news.  We will have three NiH reactor manufacturers in competition. And not a one of them subjected to proper independent testing yet.

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Daniel Rocha
I think the catalyzer might be water and something that reacts with oxygen. Take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_pressure_electrolysis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-temperature_electrolysis It think, initially the hydrogen is just to increase pressure of the system. As the

Re: [Vo]:A U.S.P.O. policy regarding cold fusion

2011-11-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar wrote: Sometimes it's inconvenient not to be able to use one's own identity. Then, use your own identity. If your arguments stand on their own, you can surely stand by them. If the arguments stand on their own, why would you need

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: And not a one of them subjected to proper independent testing yet. Good morning! I wondered when we would hear from you. Some real e-caterwauling in the ole trap last night, eh? T

Re: [Vo]:Rossi to come to the Massachusetts State House tomorrow

2011-11-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-22 02:44 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com mailto:shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi plans to visit Tuesday morning for two days of meeting with government officials and representatives of the

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: There is additional evidence to support the hypothesis I put forward. I have been following a discussion about the large power output rise in a short time that some suggest is not possible. I do not know whether or not

Re: [Vo]:Sven Kullader's cold fusion talk is upon us.

2011-11-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lewan said he could not attend but he knows someone who went. No word yet on the content. - Jed

[Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Blanton
No, not for tomorrow's turkey; but, for curing the cognitive dissonance that some might experience in the coming days: Three Crow Recipes From Debbie, courtesy of her Mom's WW II cookbook Crow and Mushroom Stew 3 crows 1 Tbsp lard/shortening 1 pint stock or gravy 2 Tbsp cream 1/2 cup mushrooms

RE: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Robert Leguillon
Where on Earth did you guys get the information that it was running and hydrogen was purged? Early in the day with a glitch showing up, Rossi said that they had to make a decision about whether to go for 1 MW output, not in self-sustain mode, or with self-sustain mode at a lower power level.

[Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

2011-11-23 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, Here is Rossi's answer to Brian Josephson on an English article from Focus.it. (Brian Josephson joins Francesco Celani's call for further scientific tests of Andrea Rossi's E-Cat, but Rossi has different plans)

[Vo]:These cynical comments are unwelcome

2011-11-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: But, Jed says that there is no reason to think that the numbers were fabricated, so it must be fine. Perhaps that is intended as a joke, but it is not funny. Cynical and argumentative comments have become too common here in recent weeks. I

Re: [Vo]:These cynical comments are unwelcome

2011-11-23 Thread Mary Yugo
I'm not sure why the mass of hydrogen consumed needs to be determined with precision for purposes of verifying the energy output or Rossi's veracity and credibility. It's interesting to know but as Jed points out, it's pretty tough to weigh an 18 kg cylinder to 0.01 gm precision much less

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

2011-11-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: No, not for tomorrow's turkey; but, for curing the cognitive dissonance that some might experience in the coming days The only birds involved in this tale are the chickens you insist on counting before they hatch!

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:40 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I gave the model you mentioned a great deal of consideration as well. The evidence does not support that concept for several reasons. I could not see any explanation for the lack of water being captured by the trap

RE: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Finlay MacNab
The early Ny Tecknik video of the inside of the 1MW reactor reveals that the hydrogen inlets for the individual inlets are not connected. If each individual module must be filled separately then the measurement is valid. From: robert.leguil...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject:

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

2011-11-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Hello group, Here is Rossi's answer to Brian Josephson on an English article from Focus.it. Interesting. Previously, Rossi was claiming that Celani's offer was an insult and an attempt to steal his invention.

RE: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

2011-11-23 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Terry, Do you have anything for blackbirds? Today I opened my front door and viewed an impacted bird dropping in the middle of my storm door's full view window glass, made more impressive by the 4 foot wide porch with overhanging roof. Immediately to my left the porch has a stone wall where the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi to come to the Massachusetts State House tomorrow

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: ** MIT? How is that possible. MIT is the epicenter of the anti-cold fusion conspiracy... If they're the epicenter of the conspiracy it's not a very effective conspiracy. It's not me that claim they are the

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: The purple feces and calendar date also suggested my fowl friend may have been flying under the influence of fermented berries. Yes, polkweed berries. Toxic to humans but gives those blackbirdies one major

RE: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

2011-11-23 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Akira: Just want to thank you for taking time to monitor what's being said at various websites and then taking time to update the Vort Collective... it is much appreciated! -Mark -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa [mailto:shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 23,

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

2011-11-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Roarty, Francis X gives those blackbirdies one major high . . . until they come down, er, so to speak. Sort of like what happens to indiscriminate believers?

Re: [Vo]:A U.S.P.O. policy regarding cold fusion

2011-11-23 Thread Mauro Lacy
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar wrote: Sometimes it's inconvenient not to be able to use one's own identity. Then, use your own identity. If your arguments stand on their own, you can surely stand by them. If the arguments stand on their own, why would you

RE: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:29 AM 11/23/2011, Robert Leguillon wrote: Where on Earth did you guys get the information that it was running and hydrogen was purged? http://pesn.com/2011/10/31/9501942_After_the_E-Cat_Test--Report_and_Q-A_with_Rossi/ Description of the test installation the one megawatt Energy

RE: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

2011-11-23 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
... and pathological skeptics. One person's True Believer is another person's Pathological Skeptic. -mark -Original Message- From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:08 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes On Wed,

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: because in self sustaining we had the temperature at a certain time that rose too much. The system was difficult to modulate. Rossi keeps saying that. But it doesn't make sense. In all the 9+ months he's been showing

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: I don't know of a single time he has demonstrated it or even shown a laboratory-obtained time vs temp curve that even suggests it. I should add that I

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Sort of like what happens to indiscriminate believers? Chill out m'lady. Here, have a Xanax and pokeberry juice chaser. Quit being so single minded and enjoy a little levity . . . and maybe some brevity in the more serious

Re: [Vo]:A U.S.P.O. policy regarding cold fusion

2011-11-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar wrote: If the arguments stand on their own, why would you need an identity? The real question is: why not? I just explained all that! You're afraid of being

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

2011-11-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Quit being so single minded and enjoy a little levity . . . and maybe some brevity in the more serious threads. Says the person who posts bad comedy as an entire and lengthy thread.

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

2011-11-23 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-23 19:51, Mary Yugo wrote: Does anyone still believe that after all the equivocations Rossi is going to produce an E-cat for independent testing anywhere? If so, when? To whom? Anyone think he's going to produce a credible customer with some results? Same question: when?

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

2011-11-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: ... and pathological skeptics. I don't know what a pathological skeptic is unless you mean someone who doesn't believe the Earth is round or that the moon landing happened or that the World Trade Center and the

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Says the person who posts bad comedy as an entire and lengthy thread. Okay, want some science with your humor? Here ya go, Yugo: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-04/wfu-pph042910.php Purple Pokeberries hold

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

2011-11-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-11-23 19:51, Mary Yugo wrote: So, in a few weeks of time, it seems. Thanks. That's very helpful. It seems to me that the critical step is giving an E-cat to the university which has not happened. I

RE: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Robert Leguillon
Yes, he claimed they had to reduce power. Where does it say that they did this by reducing the hydrogen pressure? Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 10:29 AM 11/23/2011, Robert Leguillon wrote: Where on Earth did you guys get the information that it was running and hydrogen was purged?

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

2011-11-23 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-23 20:06, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Akira: Just want to thank you for taking time to monitor what's being said at various websites and then taking time to update the Vort Collective... it is much appreciated! It's not hard work at all - If you know where to look! Cheers,

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

2011-11-23 Thread Frank Acland
Rossi is consistent in this stance. He seems to respect Josephson, but not changing for him. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2011-11-23 20:06, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Akira: Just want to thank you for taking time to monitor what's

[Vo]:You people misunderstand the definition of appeal to authority

2011-11-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
I am sorry to be a pedant but you people are using the term appeal to authority to mean the opposite of what it should mean. I have mentioned this before. Here's the definition: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html Also Known as: Fallacious Appeal to Authority,

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

2011-11-23 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 23.11.2011 20:41, schrieb Akira Shirakawa: On 2011-11-23 19:51, Mary Yugo wrote: Does anyone still believe that after all the equivocations Rossi is going to produce an E-cat for independent testing anywhere? If so, when? To whom? Anyone think he's going to produce a credible customer

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

2011-11-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-23 02:07 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Terry Blantonhohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Roarty, Francis X gives those blackbirdies one major high . . . until they come down, er, so to speak. Sort of like what happens to indiscriminate

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

2011-11-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:41 AM 11/23/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Thanks for the translation, which google garbles. Could you please do the same for the last sentence : Details that do not interest to researchers. With our equipment we will go in the shed that Rossi makes available to make the measurements -

RE: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:57 AM 11/23/2011, Robert Leguillon wrote: Yes, he claimed they had to reduce power. Where does it say that they did this by reducing the hydrogen pressure? In the second link that I just posted : To resolve the issue, the hydrogen pressure in all the reactors was reduced. I guess my

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

2011-11-23 Thread David Roberson
I have reviewed the two responses by this poster to my hypothesis and it is clear that these responses do not represent reality. The poster is convinced that Rossi is scamming and there is no level of proof that will be accepted otherwise. I stand by all of the statements that I made and all

Re: [Vo]:These cynical comments are unwelcome

2011-11-23 Thread Robert Leguillon
It was intended as tongue-in-cheek, and I probably should have added a clarifying smiley. I was laughing to myself at your ability to bend-over-backwards in Rossi's defense, and make matter-of-fact case closed comments ad infinitum; it's funny to observe. I apologize if it was demeaning. Of

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

2011-11-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: Mary, your recent (and not so recent) posts have been bigoted, bulldoggish, clamorous, constant, continuing, crying, dogged, dogmatic, fanatic, fixed, gritty, immutable, intolerant, mulish, obstinate, overzealous,

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-23 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
that is not what rossi says on the FAQ. he talks about 10mg/kW of H, and 100mg/kW of Ni however, in my previeux computation I'me made a mistake... 1MW should need 10g of H and 100g of Ni if the number for Ni is Ok, but H is a bit exagerated, for 100g of Ni you need 100g/59=1.7g hydrogen...

Re: [Vo]:These cynical comments are unwelcome

2011-11-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Leguillon wrote: Of course the weighing of the tank is silly. But, Rossi has done it as part of his demonstration-theatrics. I'm sure the intention was to show that he wasn't adding enough hydrogen to serve as a convenional fuel. Good point. He said that was the purpose. Even this

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

2011-11-23 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-23 21:15, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Details that do not interest to researchers. With our equipment we will go in the shed that Rossi makes available to make the measurements - Campari says - will be free and independent measurements to verify whether the system produces a large amount

[Vo]:New comment from chan

2011-11-23 Thread David ledin
New comment from chan Chan Says: More convenient arrangement just successfully tested. Reactants carefully suspended in mineral oil under inert dry conditions. A closed circuit using 1/4″ copper tube was serially connected to a Groco Gear Pump GRO-GPB1-12, this heat exchanger:

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Overview of (Ahern) Vibronic Energy Technologies Approach

2011-11-23 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I like the timeline Ahern presents to connect the dots and would like to know more about the VETC information regarding vibrational properties between 3-15 nm. The information appears to be from experimental result and doesn't suggest a particular theory responsible for the atypical vibration

Re: [Vo]:Rossi to come to the Massachusetts State House tomorrow

2011-11-23 Thread James Bowery
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: ** MIT? How is that possible. MIT is the epicenter of the anti-cold fusion conspiracy... If they're the epicenter of the conspiracy

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