I'm afraid that LENR will trigger opposition, not mainly because of the
business that invest in 3rd revolution,
but because all the others who morally have invested in punitive policy.
I see a big part of 3rd revolution technology that CAN be reused :
- Converting Buildings into Power Plants
Hello group,
Have a read at what Roy Virgilio (nicknamed here eroyka. I don't think
a presentation for him is needed, but for those who don't know already,
he's an acquaintance of Ni-H LENR researcher Francesco Piantelli and
people working with him) just wrote here on his Energeticambiente.it
Something that occurs to me about the emergence of a negative coefficient
of temperature at high loading of hydrogen in metallic lattices is that it
may be related to the stress imposed by that loading. If stress reaches a
point where charge carriers to emerge, then increasing the temperature may
Last time I checked DGT denies the use of a RFG.
T
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
These resonance interactions come from the crystal structure of metal
lattices and the quantum phonons that vibrate through the lattice at just
the right temperature. It also
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/08/the-e-cat-real-or-
surreal/
1160 respondents
44.4% yes - will perform as claimed
41.9% no - will not perform as claimed
13.7% Don't know
Shocking to me that 86.3% think they know the answer, when there is
no scientific basis to know the
It was also surprising that around 40% answered yes. That's a too big
proportion for something that is considered crackpot and not linked to new
age cults or any religion.
2012/1/9 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
http://www.forbes.com/sites/**markgibbs/2012/01/08/the-e-**
Yes, the bankruptcies will be massive. However, some entities will survive
based on oil/gas used as a petrochemical feedstock. For them, it ain't gonna
be pretty.
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 12:04 PM
To:
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Last time I checked DGT denies the use of a RFG.
Yes - they absolutely deny it when asked specifically. And they seem to be
far more forthcoming than Rossi, but not completely honest.
Does anyone has direct or indirect evidence of RF being
I agree that loading stress is extremely high, and that temperature enhances
it.
Frank Grimer calculated that the threshold 1:1 loading stress approaches the
failure mode of the host metal. This explains why Rossi is careful not to
let the temperature get too high.
This is a good find.
Oil products still necessary for transportation/internal combustion engines.
Cold fusion is a heat source only, can't efficiently be used in transportation,
outside of large ships' steam plants.
What, back to steam engine cars and trucks?
- Original Message -
From: Zell, Chris
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
Shocking to me that 86.3% think they know the answer, when there is no
scientific basis to know the truth.
You are being unreasonable. Most knowledge has no scientific basis. Nearly
everything we know we take other people's word for. You know that
Defkallion must have some form of agitation in the reactor -If not RF then
some other stimulus must be native to their design like laser, mechanical
vibration, electrical or magnetic fields. Going out on a limb I might even
consider some relationship between the golden ratio and the
Well there is always that mystery window ...
-Original Message-
From: Roarty, Francis X
Defkalion must have some form of agitation in the reactor
Last time I checked DGT denies the use of a RFG.
Yes - they absolutely deny it when asked specifically. And they seem to be
far more
See:
http://iccf15.frascati.enea.it/ICCF15-PROCEEDINGS.pdf
This is a large file, 96 MB. I had difficulty downloading it and viewing
it. I shall break it into two parts and upload it to LENR-CANR.org, after
lunch. I asked permission to do this. They gave me permission years ago,
but I asked
There is also the fact that 95% of the reasonable people did interpret the
question what is the most likely the correct answer. Normaly we by default
think in terms of probabilities, although it is unconscious thinking.
For most of the people probablities are hard thing to understand
rationally,
There is a net electrostatic charge in the solar corona, as well as in the
solar interior. You are aware of the Millsean explanation, for the corona.
I have a better citation than this, which I can’t find at the moment. This
one will lead you deeper or you can google “electrostatic charge of
On 2012-01-09 16:57, Jed Rothwell wrote:
See:
http://iccf15.frascati.enea.it/ICCF15-PROCEEDINGS.pdf
This is a large file, 96 MB. I had difficulty downloading it and viewing
it. I shall break it into two parts and upload it to LENR-CANR.org,
after lunch. I asked permission to do this. They gave
Though you could have modern steam vehicles, it is unlikely that this would be
the long-term solution for transportation.
Heat to electric conversion is the most likely candidate. By using a heating
medium with a large temperature range, an E-Cat/Hyperion could (in theory)
efficiently feed
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi's device has been tested by experts such as Kullander.
Based on what he did and what he asked Rossi (or failed to ask Rossi),
Kullander lost his credentials as an expert. However, to his credit, he
asked for more
2012/1/9 Jay Caplan uniqueprodu...@comcast.net
Oil products still necessary for transportation/internal combustion
engines. Cold fusion is a heat source only, can't efficiently be used in
transportation, outside of large ships' steam plants.
What, back to steam engine cars and trucks?
On 2012-01-09 18:24, Alain Sepeda wrote:
yes, but with hybrid...
let's imagine a Toyota Prius, with :
- a smaller battery, with just 15 minute autonomy at full speed
What do you mean for full speed?
If it's full power, then you might want to reconsider that. With about
100 kW of peak
Thanks, Jones.
I read the paragraph. I'm not surprised read that the paper states
...The global stellar electrostatic field is 918 times stronger than
the corresponding stellar gravity... More on that later.
Meanwhile, yes, I am basically aware of Mills' explanation of the
corona, having
In nanowires, conductance itself can change in a complex nonmonotonic,
nonlinear way as a function of current density. For example, see --
Quantum Suppression of the Rayleigh Instability in Nanowires
http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0006237
James Bowery wrote:
Something that occurs to me about
Addendum:
Let me add that my understanding of gravitation forces is based on
applying Newton's famous square of the distance formula. But does the
same square of the distance law govern the measured forces of charged
particles as well? I was assuming that was indeed the case. But I
could be dead
I wonder if stress induced NTC plays a role in the production of neutrons
detected by Cardone et al. at the moment granite fractures under load:
paper
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0903/0903.3104.pdf
slide show
http://files.splinder.com/4ae1443c64aa2e0faf9cdca00d8e7148.pdf
Harry
On Mon,
technically possible, but way more expensive than liquid internal combustion,
so why? we'll stay with liquids for transport just because of the cost factor.
there are lots of alternatives: Gas to Liquids, Coal to Liquids, Biomass to
Liquids if the petroleum reserves ever quit going up, as they
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
I'm not surprised read that the paper states ...The global stellar
electrostatic field is 918 times stronger than the corresponding stellar
gravity... More on that later.
... Oh… you mean that 918 turns out to be half of a
Automotive engineers say they would have no trouble making a cold fusion
heat engine given the temperatures and power density the best existing
devices. commercial devices will be far better than the best existing
experimental device today.
As noted by others here, the most likely design
Jones sez:
I'm not surprised read that the paper states ...The global
stellar electrostatic field is 918 times stronger than the
corresponding stellar gravity... More on that later.
... Oh… you mean that 918 turns out to be half of a particular
value that makes it seem to be rather
Yes, for number-freaks in general - 918 is one of those 'pregnant' numbers with
Platonic significance ... and in the context of 1836, it comes up from time to
time in alternative energy - often wrt Hotson's epo field.
Reminds me of a concise and short post written a few years ago ...
Attractive forces between two charges is related to 1/r^2 or the second order.
A dipole type structure has a different law, but that is not what you seem to
be talking about.
I suspect that you will need to include the charges that are surrounding the
star but not inside if you are to see
Jones sez:
Reminds me of a concise and short post written a few years ago ...
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg00349.html
Ah yes, a classic Jones essay, vintage 2004.
I enjoyed reading it... again?
Kind of like statisticians hunt'in for wild hairs.
Regards
Steven Vincent
And in that context, some years ago I acquired one of a very few copies of a
book which contained some ideas from 1952 about the relationship between the
masses of various particles, which includes a derivation of the magic 1836.1
http://nigel.thedyers.org.uk/Jessup/
Nigel
-Original
From David:
Attractive forces between two charges is related to 1/r^2 or the second
order.
Hmmm. Then the sauce is getting thicker for me. ;-)
A dipole type structure has a different law, but that is not what
you seem to be talking about.
Regarding dipoles, According to Wiki:
A little off topic, but perhaps interesting for some rookies in the
Collective.
For some first-hand experience with how rock fracturing affects it's
magnetic properties, and how that manifests in anomalous geomagnetic
activity (for EQ prediction), see this post:
I wrote:
The cost of extracting or synthesizing the liquids, then transporting,
storing and pumping them would be far greater than the extra cost of a cold
fusion engine.
Let me explain what I mean by that. Liquid or gasoline fuel would
presumably be either synthetic gasoline, liquid
The ratio is not exactly 1836.
from wikipedia
In physics, the proton-to-electron mass ratio, μ or β, is simply the
rest mass of the proton divided by that of the electron. Because this
is a ratio of like-dimensioned physical quantity, it is a
dimensionless quantity, a function of the
Steven,
One time I was interested in the shapes of fields due to charges and found that
superposition applies. So, you can think of a dipole as being the sum of two
charges with a given separation. The positive charge either attracts your test
charge or repels it depending upon its
Harry sez:
The ratio is not exactly 1836.
I realize that Harry. I got the 1836 number from the same Wiki article.
I rounded the measured value to an integer for expediency. Nothing more.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
I liked it as well,
Especially when he says 'actual annihilation's is extremely rare!' works well
with my NEO LET perspective of ether where VP expanding into then shrinking out
of our plane as they flow along a perpendicular extra dimension.
Fran
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks -
That is a very interesting story Mark. I wonder how his device would be able
to keep things like vacuum cleaners and other electric motors from bombing it
out. Did he happen to mention anything about the frequency response of the
device? I can imagine that it has a very low cutoff
The cost of extracting or synthesizing the liquids, then transporting, storing
and pumping them would be far greater than the extra cost of a cold fusion
engine.
A quick cursory search shows the coal to liquid route to be less expensive than
current oil and, of course, S Africa has been
The ratio is also dimensionless but the ratio of the strength of the
sun's electrostatic field to its gravitational field is not
dimensionless.
Harry
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 3:16 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Harry sez:
The ratio is not exactly 1836.
I
Hello group,
Francesco Celani just sent to Daniele Passerini (22passi) the slides he
will show tomorrow during his preliminary 20 minutes talk at the Geneva
WSEC 2012 conference, in English (the day after he will hold a more
detailed two hour workshop on LENR in which he will supposedly also
Jay Caplan uniqueprodu...@comcast.net wrote:
A quick cursory search shows the coal to liquid route to be less expensive
than current oil and, of course, S Africa has been forced on this route for
decades :...Estimates of the cost of producing liquid fuels from coal
suggest that domestic U.S.
I'll add to Jed's comments, that:
If cold fusion were indeed proved a geniune, plausible, pollution-free
alternative, the market would be upended due to external pressures. I could
not fathom a scenario where the climate lobbies would not try to exorbitantly
tax carbon-releasing fuels in
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Also -- as I pointed out -- the cold fusion motor would soon be cheaper,
as the technology matures.
It's really obvious: Rossi should sell the eCat on eBay! :-)
From Harry:
The ratio is also dimensionless but the ratio of the strength of the
sun's electrostatic field to its gravitational field is not
dimensionless.
Can you clarify what is implied when using the term dimension and
dimensionless here.
It doesn't compute for me.
Regards
Steven Vincent
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
I could not fathom a scenario where the climate lobbies would not try to
exorbitantly tax carbon-releasing fuels in order to expedite their phase
out.
I do not think that will be necessary. It will phase out of its own as
quickly as
Hi Dave,
You asked,
“I wonder how his device would be able to keep things like vacuum cleaners and
other electric motors from bombing it out.”
I don’t think my friend owns a vacuum cleaner! LoL J
But to answer your question more directly, the preamp and filtering was
designed for
I wrote:
It will cost a great deal to dig up the old tanks at gas stations.
Note that you cannot leave them in the ground these days. There is an EPA
rule:
http://www.epa.gov/oust/pubs/20annrpt.pdf
This is a sensible, good rule. Most EPA rules are common sense written
into regulations. That
Steven:
I believe he means 'units' and 'unit-less'... as in volts/meter for
electrostatic field strength. He doesn’t mean dimensions as in x,y,z,t
dimensions.
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 1:01
Okay, I uploaded the book in two parts. See:
http://lenr-canr.org/FilesByDate.htm
(You may need to reload this.)
Part 1 is 45 MB and part 2 is 24 MB. 69 MB total, which is smaller than the
original. I squeezed some air out of it.
- Jed
See:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/tiny-kamikaze-drone/
This is what I predicted in my book, only the range will be unlimited.
Launch one anywhere in the world, kill someone anywhere else in the world a
week later. Untraceable.
- Jed
From Jed:
...
Think of all the real estate that will be opened up as gas
stations are abandoned. They are ugly. Good riddance to them.
It is a shame all those people will lose their jobs.
It seems to me that even in the best case scenario it is not likely
that our nation would be motivated
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 4:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you clarify what is implied when using the term dimension and
dimensionless here.
The mass of the proton is 1836 x the mass of the electron. It's a
multiplication factor. No units.
T
Ref[1] points out that certain nanowires can carry enormous current
densities (~ 10^11[A/cm^2]) which vaporize macro-sized wires.
In metals, this equates to ballistic electron speeds of ~ 100 km/sec
- approximately the same as (0-Amp) random thermal electron velocity
- far greater than a
Ok...
Mark, Terry. thanks.
I'm going have to think about this for a spell since there seem to be
different interpretations.
Semantics can be quite disconcerting to a dyslexic.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
It seems to me that even in the best case scenario it is not likely
that our nation would be motivated (economically and/or politically
speaking) to start digging up all of these service station gas tanks -
not for quite a while.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok...
Mark, Terry. thanks.
I'm going have to think about this for a spell since there seem to be
different interpretations.
Think of it this way: a proton might be composed of 1836 electrons.
Add
Typically, when you have a ratio of two things whose units are the same, the
answer (ratio) has no units since they cancel, and you're left with a
dimensionless (unitless) number.
In this case, you have:
mp+ / me-,
mass / mass
-mark
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven
Mary Yugo I dedicate this rap song to you and the skeptics in this list:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAYVY2eLMckfeature=related
Giovanni
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo asked a sensible question: Why are these people wearing
overcoats
Terry sez:
Think of it this way: a proton might be composed of 1836 electrons.
Add one more and you have a neutron!
Yup. Got that part. Knew that recipe eons ago.
Still, I suspect semantics is still getting in the way of what I'm
trying to describe.
In a nutshell, I'm wondering if the
On 01/09/2012 02:41 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Thanks, Jones.
I read the paragraph. I'm not surprised read that the paper states
...The global stellar electrostatic field is 918 times stronger than
the corresponding stellar gravity... More on that later.
Meanwhile, yes, I am
No, there may be a point being missed here, but that point concerns the
BATTERIES needed for the scheme mentioned below. They are expensive. I drove a
converted LeCar for 3 years and used up a set of 16 lead acid deep cell
batteries ($1700) in 12,000 miles = $0.14/mile. $4 gasoline in a 32 mpg
Jay: I suggest you set your e-mail parameters so that responses on Vortex
do not go to you directly.
Jay Caplan uniqueprodu...@comcast.net wrote:
**
No, there may be a point being missed here, but that point concerns the
BATTERIES needed for the scheme mentioned below. They are expensive.
On Jan 9, 2012, at 1:39 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Ref[1] points out that certain nanowires can carry enormous current
densities (~ 10^11[A/cm^2]) which vaporize macro-sized wires.
In metals, this equates to ballistic electron speeds of ~ 100 km/sec
- approximately the same as (0-Amp)
I wrote:
Also -- as I pointed out -- the cold fusion motor would soon be cheaper,
as the technology matures. Two reasons:
1. No pollution control, gas tank, muffler, or catalytic converter needed.
2. Thermoelectric chips will be used across a much wider range of
applications . . .
Steven and Mark,
Yes that is what I mean.
More to the point we take it for granted that gravitational forces can
be compared to electrostatic forces. But what are we doing when we say
gravity is so much weaker than electromagnetism? This truth is
repeated often but I would argue it is a persistent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:19:07 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
A cold fusion hybrid
would probably not need as many batteries as the Prius plug-in or Volt.
Just enough to bring the turbine up to full output. If that could be done
in 6 minutes, or ~8 miles at highway speed, then
Thanks Mauro,
Would you say that the number of protons and electrons being ejected from
the sun remains relatively equal?
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:28:38 -0800 (PST):
Hi,
[snip]
The monitor used by Rossi's team in January is specifically designed to detect
positrons, which must be there if there is to be H+H fusion. None were
detected.
There is a bit of a problem with this. The
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 30 Dec 2011 01:59:19 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
Well finding deuterium would be definitive proof of 'something anomalous'
but not fusion, since they can absolutely rule out ALL varieties of hydrogen
fusion now. You absolutely have to get rid of a positive charge
Horace, thanks for the reply. You wrote:
You should keep in mind that in nanowires, even (laser induced)
thermal pulses move at 2x10^6 m/s, the conduction band electron speed.
Yes. There are electron-lattice mechanical couplings
(e.g,, pinches, phonons, ...) that complicate a simple,
In reply to Alain Sepeda's message of Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:54:31 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
thus the mass is simply caused by all the lattice/wave around, slowing the
electrons when it tries to move...
Personally, I can't see this contributing to it's ability to form a neutron,
however it might solve a
On Jan 9, 2012, at 8:11 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Following are some comments on the validity of WL theory:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg38261.html
Lots of good questions, but my example is not ambitious enough to
answer
them. I just wanted to see whether
Horace,
You parse comments way too precisely.
I should have said that your observations raise questions.
For instance, a key one is -
The WL math and QM is possibly controversial (e.g. via Hagelstein and
Chaudhary), but the logic and common sense in problem definition and
conclusions are
Question between parallel and serial hybrid is studied, but for
gas+electric.
using a serial hybrid mode (Volt?), mean having 2 electric engine/generator
able to sustain the full power.
good point for serial is that turbine works at optimal working point,
because it has no need to drive the
Right,
I mean the battery need only to allow the vehicle to move on the highway,
while the LENR engine is cold...
I don't know well the power need of cars. I just look at current hybrid
cars power to get reasonable values.
25kW when running cold is a good news.
I assume this mean that when
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