Re: [Vo]:LENR G Silver Currency

2012-01-17 Thread Robert McKay
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: LENR just made petroleum obsolete.  Then, currencies will be Nickel-based?  Or what? bitcoin :) It makes sense actually since bitcoin relies on wasting lots of now unlimited energy. Rob

Re: [Vo]:LENR G Silver Currency

2012-01-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:29 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Then, currencies will be Nickel-based? Well, we certainly can't make them hydrogen-based since anyone could print money using electrolysis. ;-) T

[Vo]:Forbes and Gibbs Garbage: NASA says Cold Fusion is Nothing Useful

2012-01-17 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex: More Gibbs Garbage: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/16/cold-fusion-nasa-says-nothing-useful/ Gibb is not useful. Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex

Re: [Vo]:Heat Output

2012-01-17 Thread Chemical Engineer
Mark, Thanks, I did not know that. Do you really think Mary's last name is Yugo? I really do appreciate all of the great ideas exchanged in this forum. The topic needs the focus. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: ChemE: This forum

Re: [Vo]:Forbes and Gibbs Garbage: NASA says Cold Fusion is Nothing Useful

2012-01-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
Well, I have to agree with Gibbs, at least in the title. He said that NASA didn't say anything useful and not that cold fusion is useless 2012/1/17 Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com Greetings Vortex: More Gibbs Garbage:

Re: [Vo]:Forbes and Gibbs Garbage: NASA says Cold Fusion is Nothing Useful

2012-01-17 Thread Wolf Fischer
This depends on how you classify the statement. If you expected it to help in the Rossi case, sure, it's not useful. But this was not NASA intentions. In the other case, where they are promoting LENR, this is tremendously helpful / useful. Therefore, I think, Gibbs headline is misleading and

Re: [Vo]:multielectron catalysis theory A possible theory for rossi reactor

2012-01-17 Thread pagnucco
The website has been down for some time now. It keeps returning the message: Bandwidth Exceeded ... try again later. It sounds like a pretty sophisticated theory that only a few can properly assess. Does it make any testable predictions? Or does it provide any insights into the CF/LENR results

RE: [Vo]:Heat Output

2012-01-17 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
No, and she has been asked to provide her name, but she cowardly hides behind anonymity claiming she fears reprisal from 'true believers'. She occasionally adds some useful dialog to The Collective, but 90% of her barrage of postings are the same thing; suspicions about Rossi and SGT, and that

Re: [Vo]:Heat Output

2012-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
ChemE: Not to worry, while real names are preferred, the frown on pseudonyms is not especially intense. If you want to call yourself ChemE I dare say nobody's going to care much (unless you start trolling). We've had people using pseudonyms off and on for as long as I can recall; some were

[Vo]:Kullander's detailed isotopic analysis of ash from Rossi's E-Cat?

2012-01-17 Thread John Milstone
Hi everyone! Last November, Sven Kullander promised a detailed isotopic analysis of the ash from Rossi's E-Cat by Christmas.  (http://ecatnews.com/?p=1416) It's now well past Christmas, and I haven't seen any signs of this report.   Does anyone know what happened to it? John

Re: [Vo]:multielectron catalysis theory A possible theory for rossi reactor

2012-01-17 Thread ecat builder
Here is an alternate site for download: http://ecatplanet.net/downloads/pdf/Reaktor_Rossi.pdf - Brad On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:23 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: The website has been down for some time now. It keeps returning the message: Bandwidth Exceeded ... try again later. It

Re: [Vo]:oilprice.com: Are we on the Brink of an Energy Revolution? Andrea Rossi to Build 1MW Power Plant

2012-01-17 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:35 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: The article might be of some interest. Titled: Are we on the Brink of an Energy Revolution? Andrea Rossi to Build 1MW Power Plant Dated: Tue, 17 January 2012

Re: [Vo]:multielectron catalysis theory A possible theory for rossi reactor

2012-01-17 Thread pagnucco
Thanks, Brad That link works. However, the theory rests on QCD (quantum chromodynamics) which I do not understand. For those trained in QCD, it might be worth google-translating the more detailed Russian web page: http://viktor19451.narod.ru/ Aside from the diagrams, the translation looks

RE: [Vo]:Heat Output

2012-01-17 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Yes, as Mr. Lawrence noted, aliases are sometimes used, with little or no comments from the Collective. However, those contributors usually provide a high signal-to-noise in their postings, for example, Axil Axil. He has 129 postings since 8/18/2011 (5 months), and nearly all of them are signal,

Re: [Vo]:LENR G Silver Currency

2012-01-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint's message of Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:29:56 -0800: Hi, [snip] In addition, if currencies are based on the petro$, then that's going to collapse like a tons of bricks when the financial industry realizes that LENR just made petroleum obsolete. Then, currencies will

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 03:34 PM 1/15/2012, Alan Fletcher wrote: Heck --- At $500 + $20/year I'm going to increase my order to FOUR units. Last I heard, Rossi was still saying you need a WATER line to the eCat. I hope that's changed. A few more AR blog clarifications (MY ..ok,ok : no need to respond) 1. Interface

RE: [Vo]:Forbes and Gibbs Garbage: NASA says Cold Fusion is Nothing Useful

2012-01-17 Thread *** Craig Brown ***
I think the question here is WHY? Why release a video saying LENR is looking good as a powerful replacement for conventional fossil fuels, then when questioned about it, Zawodny tells everyone, that it's not useful and that he's sceptical about it. Seriously, WTF is going on at NASA?

RE: [Vo]:Forbes and Gibbs Garbage: NASA says Cold Fusion is Nothing Useful

2012-01-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:12 PM 1/17/2012, *** Craig Brown *** wrote: I think the question here is WHY? Why release a video saying LENR is looking good as a powerful replacement for conventional fossil fuels, then when questioned about it, Zawodny tells everyone, that it's not useful and that he's sceptical about

Re: [Vo]:Hank Mills: NASA, MIT, and the DOE have blood on their hands.

2012-01-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:37 PM 1/17/2012, Robert Leguillon wrote: From Hank Mills - Pure Energy Systems News: Original Source: http://pesn.com/2012/01/15/9602013_138_Million_Cold_Fusion_Holocaust/ Good grief : Just imagine that if cold fusion had not been suppressed, there could be 138 million individuals alive

Re: [Vo]:Hank Mills: NASA, MIT, and the DOE have blood on their hands.

2012-01-17 Thread James Bowery
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 01:37 PM 1/17/2012, Robert Leguillon wrote: From Hank Mills - *Pure Energy Systems News*: Original Source: http://pesn.com/2012/01/15/9602013_138_Million_Cold_Fusion_Holocaust/ Good grief : Just imagine that if

Re: [Vo]:Hank Mills: NASA, MIT, and the DOE have blood on their hands.

2012-01-17 Thread Vorl Bek
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: -- One of these individuals would have been the next nuclear-armed H* Is Hitler's name still so painful to contemplate that it can't be spelt out 68 years after the war ended? Maybe we should start writing S* and M** T** T*** as well.

RE: [Vo]:multielectron catalysis theory A possible theory for rossi reactor

2012-01-17 Thread Jones Beene
Thanks for posting this - and it is intriguing in one way but flawed in another - certainly in the suggested binding energy. If it were true, the nickel active material would be completely unmeltable, for one thing. There is no basis for going to that extreme. The most obvious flaw in this theory

Re: [Vo]:Hank Mills: NASA, MIT, and the DOE have blood on their hands.

2012-01-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:18 PM 1/17/2012, Vorl Bek wrote: Is Hitler's name still so painful to contemplate that it can't be spelt out 68 years after the war ended? I was trying to avoid the corollary to Godwin's Law : As well as the descriptive form, it can be used prescriptively: so if any poster does mention

Re: [Vo]:Hank Mills: NASA, MIT, and the DOE have blood on their hands.

2012-01-17 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 01:37 PM 1/17/2012, Robert Leguillon wrote: From Hank Mills - *Pure Energy Systems News*: Original Source: http://pesn.com/2012/01/15/9602013_138_Million_Cold_Fusion_Holocaust/ Good grief : Just imagine that if

[Vo]:Rossi and Italy

2012-01-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
john46blog January 17th, 2012 at 11:02 AM Dear Andrea, I saw your recent interview with Sterling Allan. I discover a bunch of good news about your progress on e.cat development and I’m very happy for you. One thing I don’t like about your plans, it’s the decision to start the series

[Vo]:More home E-Cat data announced

2012-01-17 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=14#comment-171562 * Andrea Rossi January 17th, 2012 at 4:41 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=14#comment-171562 Dear Mark Szlazak: It will be cm 30 x 30 x 12 circa. Not able to make electricity yet.

Re: [Vo]:LENR G Silver Currency

2012-01-17 Thread Bruno Santos
At last a theme where I can contribute, being an economist. :-) Money today is Fiat money. There is no correlation between the dollar and the oil. Oil has its price on dollar, not the other way around. Currencies have their value based on several things, amongst which: government credibility,

Re: [Vo]:Forbes and Gibbs Garbage: NASA says Cold Fusion is Nothing Useful

2012-01-17 Thread Mary Yugo
I wish 60 Minutes would update their story on CF. It's been enough time to see where all the promising research of the old program has gotten. And I'd love to see them approach Rossi and Defkalion. In my estimation, that would be absolutely hilarious. Ever see the number

RE: [Vo]:From NET: Bockris is still in the game!!

2012-01-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:53 PM 1/16/2012, you wrote: I asked a close friend (PhD physicist) and he said the same thing as Krivit; that fusion has a *very* specific meaning *to a physicist*, and neutron capture is not 'fusion' as far as they're concerned. Now, if I was a physicist, I would hope that I'd be more

Re: [Vo]:From NET: Bockris is still in the game!!

2012-01-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:54 PM 1/16/2012, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: For those not following LENR for more than about the last year, the name Bockris might be new. He did a considerable amount of excellent LENR research in the 90s, and eventually faced several ‘official’ inquiries at the insistence of

[Vo]:Rossi selling Licences?

2012-01-17 Thread Patrick Ellul
http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=chromeie=UTF-8q=Lure+of+cold+fusion+backfires#q=Lure+of+cold+fusion+backfireshl=enprmd=imvnsusource=univtbm=nwstbo=usa=Xei=Zy8WT8TDC7CviQfm_9RDved=0CDMQqAIbav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osbfp=e0379f193c830c55biw=1440bih=839 He said Byron New Energy

Re: [Vo]:Rossi selling Licences?

2012-01-17 Thread Terry Blanton
Like, wow! This is hotter than a Rossi Reactor. T

RE: [Vo]:Rossi selling Licenses?

2012-01-17 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Like, wow! This is hotter than a Rossi Reactor. Appropriate song on the jazz station just now, from 'A Little Night Music' if you are old enough to remember Send in the Clowns Don't you love farce? His fault, it's clear. I thought that he'd

RE: [Vo]:multielectron catalysis theory A possible theory for rossi reactor

2012-01-17 Thread pagnucco
Jones, You should have posted the free version of that paper at URL: http://www.ladir.cnrs.fr/pages/fillaux/152_JPCM_2006_3229.pdf Also related may be the paper: Proton transfer across hydrogen bonds: From reaction path to Schrödinger’s cat*

Re: [Vo]:LENR G Silver Currency

2012-01-17 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Sure, the US went off the gold standard decades ago (a mistake in my opinion), but where does money get invested when currencies weaken… precious metals. You do realize that we’re not just talking

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 8 Jan 2012 02:35:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] Where N can be 1 to very many, N identical waves are said to be coherent. These many waves have the same waveform; they are all in fact the same wave. Since particles are matter waves, N particles that are identical and

Re: [Vo]:Rossi selling Licences?

2012-01-17 Thread Patrick Ellul
@Aussie Guy: You better hurry before you lose the exclusivity to sell e-cats down under, to Dick Smith :) just kidding! On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Like, wow! This is hotter than a Rossi Reactor. T

RE: [Vo]:From NET: Bockris is still in the game!!

2012-01-17 Thread pagnucco
Abd, I only want to ask your opinion on the unexpectedly low gamma radiation. Let's assume we have a nanowire (or nano-protrusion on a nano-particle) with diameter of a few nanometers and (experimentally observed) carrying a huge 10^11 [Amp/cm^2] current density. Then would this nanowire be

RE: [Vo]:LENR G Silver Currency

2012-01-17 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Welcome Bruno! Hey, Vorts, has the Collective ever had the contributions from an economist before? Anyway, Bruno, thanks for your comments, and I would encourage you to analyze this from the perspective that it is *real*, that it is an entirely new type of nuclear/chemical reaction, and will

RE: [Vo]:Rossi selling Licenses?

2012-01-17 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Jones, You missed your calling... :-) -m _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:13 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi selling Licenses? -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Like,

Re: [Vo]:Forbes and Gibbs Garbage: NASA says Cold Fusion is Nothing Useful

2012-01-17 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 01:12 PM 1/17/2012, ***  Craig Brown *** wrote: I think the question here is WHY?  Why release a video saying LENR is looking good as a powerful replacement for conventional fossil fuels, then when questioned about it,

RE: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-17 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
My understanding concurs with Robin's, that they need to be in-phase. However, as Axil pointed out in his reference to a PhysOrg article which states: These polaritons overwhelmingly prefer to march in step with each other, entangling themselves quantum mechanically. Not sure if that experiment