The Corum brothers did considerable research on ball-lightning:
http://www.teslasociety.com/corum.htm
It can indeed 'go thru' glass, however, it never really touches the glass. I
have a video from Dr. Corum about their experiments with ball lightning.
Although, theirs may be somewhat
Wasn’t impressed with the shutdownrossi.com site...
Both the NDA and the Contract with Andrea Rossi had NO signatures at all;
from either party. So there is no evidence yet of a *legal* binding contract
between Rossi and E-Cat Australia. Doesn't mean there isn't one, but this
website is not
Roger Green will be one of the presenters at the Ecat gathering /
conference in September in Zurich, so there seems to / must? be some
stronger connection between Rossi and him...
http://www.borderlands.de/Links/Kongress080912M-e.pdf
Wolf
Wasn’t impressed with the shutdownrossi.com site...
Musicians play,Master composers create themes. Here is Cold Fusion and Noble Gas clearly explained. Lets jam, my friends and make variations on this theme. See: http://www.use.com/showorig.pl?set=99f7d8457e3ee4ff74d7p=1 Or http://www.use.com/99f7d8457e3ee4ff74d7 ComposerSNIPAbd ul-Rahman
Group,
Recent posted foto that seems to represent a test Rossi test unit
generating 1200 degrees C heat, made me wonder:
Is the new unit operating at 1 Bar gas pressure? It seems to be an open
setup to me.
Past explanation by Rossi gave me the impression the E-cat works at quite
higher gas
May be, but I doubt it...
More likely is Green is either looking to get face-time with Rossi, or, he's
there to promote E-Cat Australia even though he doesn’t have a contract...
If you're going to the conference, please report back on what you hear...
-Mark
-Original Message-
From:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
The nickel-hydrogen claims are exciting, but, so far, not adequately
demonstrated or independently verified.
Based on today's presentations at ICCF17, I would say that Brillouin has
done excellent calorimetry. The best of any Ni-H claim I know
Yes, i believe it is operating at atmospheric pressure like the Papp
engine. The molecules in the air are being ionized, confined, ignited and
are reacting, imparting heat to the inside walls of the tube.
On Monday, August 13, 2012, Teslaalset wrote:
Group,
Recent posted foto that seems to
Time to tune up your minds,Two species gives two species. Product is heat. Key of E. Hear that heat beat? Let H equal Hydrogen Atom Let - equal electron Let -H or H- equal Oscillation Mode Hydride Ion Let N equal Nickel or Group 10 Atom Let N+1 equal unstable fusion product of Nickel and Neutron
Jed,
If the Papp engine and latest Rossi device shown do indeed work, it causes
me to believe that the metal takes part in the reaction only when it comes
into contact with the gremlin or lightning ball dancincing in the voids
cracks. The metal is useful only if you want to create some
Mark,
A singularity(collapsed matter), what I call my gremlin, can pass right
through other matter, as in a window. As a singularity comes into contact
with other matter/energy it cools off and expands and is happy momentarily.
If it cannot grab enough matter/energy to continue
Jed, thanks for keeping us updated.
Do you notice any increase in participation from outsiders ?
mainstream journalists ?
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote:
Defkalion presented the same talk they gave at NIWeek. Not sure if that is
online or
Moab Moab moab2...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you notice any increase in participation from outsiders ?
Not many. Same old crowd. WM was a smaller conference but about half the
people there were strangers. Peter Hagelstein says it is discouraging
because there are few new people and no funding. I
A new defkalion paper with their view on the theory is available via
http://lenrnews.eu/?p=592
Andre
On 08/13/2012 12:55 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I wrote:
Defkalion presented the same talk they gave at NIWeek. Not sure if
that is online or if the slides are available.
I think
As far as I understand, but I could be wrong, the hot cat reactor is not
open at all.
These are two concentric tubes with their ends somehow closed with some
kind of appropriate 'putty'.
So: the part that you are seeing as open is the hole in the donut, but
it is the hollowness of the donut
Now you hush! Underwriters Laboratories may be reading this.
Andre
On 08/13/2012 07:54 AM, Chemical Engineer wrote:
Mark,
A singularity(collapsed matter), what I call my gremlin, can pass
right through other matter, as in a window. As a singularity comes
into contact with other
The Word file is on their forum:
http://defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17p=6989sid=d719a6beffaf1307aca4ba0976765c79#p6989
http://goo.gl/QcMpI
T
Air IS the fuel or source of matter to feed the gremlins
On Monday, August 13, 2012, Andre Blum wrote:
As far as I understand, but I could be wrong, the hot cat reactor is not
open at all.
These are two concentric tubes with their ends somehow closed with some
kind of appropriate 'putty'.
I just call it the way I see it.
On Monday, August 13, 2012, Andre Blum wrote:
Now you hush! Underwriters Laboratories may be reading this.
Andre
On 08/13/2012 07:54 AM, Chemical Engineer wrote:
Mark,
A singularity(collapsed matter), what I call my gremlin, can pass right
through
Also, as the gremlin expands he cools his surroundings. Just be careful
when he exhales and belches copious amounts of quantum energy and goo on
you.
On Monday, August 13, 2012, Chemical Engineer wrote:
I just call it the way I see it.
On Monday, August 13, 2012, Andre Blum wrote:
Now
I think that the hole in the center of the device is open to allow cooling
fluid to flow through. This appears to be the hottest region of Rossi's
reactor. Notice the bright color seen through the hole.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl
To: vortex-l
I think the air is both the cooling fluid and source of fuel.
On Monday, August 13, 2012, David Roberson wrote:
I think that the hole in the center of the device is open to allow cooling
fluid to flow through. This appears to be the hottest region of Rossi's
reactor. Notice the bright color
PES network confirms the use of a hydrogen tablet:
First, the E-Cat tested was constructed using two steel tubes or
cylinders of equal length. The tube with a smaller diameter was placed
inside of the tube with a larger diameter. In the gap between the two
cylinders (the outer surface of the
Does anyone know of a physical explanation why the inside would become
so much hotter than the outside? Is this because it can not get rid of
the heat as easily due to less area of steel or the general confinedness
of the heat? Or is this more fundamentally related to focusing of the
emitted
Yes, it makes sense to think there is still a closed reactor within the
'thick doughnut'.
It shows also, in that case, that control of this unit seems well working,
since instead of having a flow of cooling fluid a very restricted form of
air cooling is applied here.
The use of a hydride tablet
Andre,Take 2 steel tubes, put one inside other, weld 1 ring to both tubes, tap 2 thread ports for 2 thermocouples from:http://edl-inc.com/Store/product-info.php?Temperature_Sensors-pid237.html Wrap 100 ' #30 nichrome wire #220688529491 from http://www.jacobs-online.biz around quarts cylinder to
The nickel foam that defkalion describes in their NI-week slideshow
seems to be an off-the-shelve product.
Funny enough, it is available from a company called ecocatalysis, ecat
in short.
The stuff is shown here:
Andre, Take 2 steel tubes, put one inside other, weld 1 ring to both tubes, tap 2 thread ports for 2 thermocouples from: http://edl-inc.com/Store/product-info.php?Temperature_Sensors-pid237.html Wrap 100 ' #30 nichrome wire #220688529491 from http://www.jacobs-online.biz around quarts cylinder
Quite logical they think about using off the shelves products, and
especially well known techniques used for catalyst that increase active
surface...
Good engineer practice.
maybe mixing that material with other treatment (like the one Celani do on
his wires, but adapted to foam), could even make
Nice done André,
Is Defkalion making some treatment on this foam ? Or is it used as
this ? They said that they modify the usual crystallography face
centered cubic.
Some Oxide they said to use can be easily incorporated inside the foam.
Might worst a try to have the foam and test it.
In the presentation they say they use agents as well:
We use several layers of agents, coated around a Si-Al ceramic
surface surrounding the nickel foam, to help RSH atoms to survive this
journey. Some of these agents are ZnO, MgO and ZrO2.
Do I undertand correctly that the Celani treatment
Does anyone with good eyes and a high-rez monitor - see a problem with slide
31, in the two red-circled areas - between energy consumed compared to
energy produced ?
attachment: winmail.dat
Guys, I have lost a bit of sleep thinking about the anomalous coil heating and
think that this discovery needs to be researched in much dept. On many
occasions someone gets lucky and makes a serendipitous finding that results in
world changing progress and this might be one of those events.
Another secret sauce.
The elements helium (He), neon (Ne), argon (Ar), krypton (Kr), xenon (Xe)
produce very large clusters. Xenon is the most vigorous cluster producer.
Xenon clusters that take the shape of buckminsterfullerene.
The other noble gases catalyze the production of Xenon
If you download the .docx document you can zoom the picture.
it says:
DT_Water_reactor: 68.615
Watts Water reactor: 2042.31
React Heat Wh: 166.34(in upper red circle)
Electric mean W: 6.32
Electric Wh Total: 145.675 (in lower red circle)
So that show excess heat, but not by a
Celani got a patent published early 2011 on treating nickel nanastructures
to get fast and high hydrogen absorbtion in Nickel:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOCII=0ND=3adjacent=truelocale=en_EPFT=Ddate=20110210CC=WONR=2011016014A2KC=A2
Maybe in the meantime he has
Thanks.
One of Celani's helpers told Krivit that it took 3 days to load the
hydrogen. I wouldn't consider that fast :-). It was interesting though
that after that he could just let the gas out, take the setup with him
to Texas, reload with hydrogen and immediately see the effect and pick
up
First, it the ends are closed with just putty then the system is operating at
atmospheric pressure but that suggests that hydrogen gas can leak out and
oxygen can leak in. I suppose such an arrangement could be used to allow the
quick assembly and disassembly of units for testing but such an
3 days of loading a *wire*-based demo setup.
Celani wanted a safe demo for NIWeek and ICCF17.
Using nano powder is a different application I read the patent applies in
particular for nano-structured Nickel, e.g. powder / foam.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl
Thanks Andre - that little discrepancy between the real data and
conclusion - is what makes it hard to believe that the claimed COP of 8-22
gain is real.
There is almost no supporting data for that conclusion.
After all - this chart is apparently the only real data they chose to show,
and the
Jones Been was WAY ahead on this... sent me links to nickel foam pics and
manufacturers several years ago. He was also on about zeolites and support
structures long before anyone else so I can only suppose the next big news will
be the back filling of this foam with smaller nano particles to
On 2012-08-13 06:51, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Peter Mobberley was scheduled to present information from Piantelli, but
Paintelli called at the last minute and asked him to withdraw. No
presentation, no poster session. He even withdrew results shown
previously. I gather this is because of intellectual
Here is a well written OPED piece:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Cold-Fusion-is-Real-by-Josh-Mitteldorf-120704-254.html
Yep,
kudos to Jones on that.
First time I noticed the potential of foams was just weeks ago, I found that
foams have a certain structural stability, relative ease of manufacturing, good
absorption of Hydrogen, a certain amount of irregularity -which seems to be
essential- etc.
Drawback seemed
At 02:31 AM 8/12/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I am having difficulty following the discussion from afar. Would
someone please summarize in a few sentences what has happened with
the Papp machine that brings it back into attention?
I gather someone claims they replicated it? Is there any evidence
How does the energy from fusion produce an increase of electromagnetic
pressure in the Papp engine?
Xenon is a thermionic material; it converts heat into electric charge. As
charge ionization goes up, the positively charged clusters repel each other
and the gas expands. When the clusters
Bob Papp told me, last Friday, that the coil is not only not necessary, but
doesn't significantly assist the function. He repeatedly fired off a
cylinder without the coil as a demonstration.
Part of my motivation to visit was to make sure that the (non-heat
engine) mechanical force was not
Kelley,
I basically agree with Your assessment.
The outer tubes are tightly sealed and could have any pressure. The inner tube
just shows the energy released from the outer tube; And is ofcourse 1bar
pressure.
To retrieve the energy from the inner (1bar) tube seems trivial.
It is just for
Did Bob Papp remove the coil for the demo? Did you see the poper work with
the coil installed; any differences? Was the pisten movement strong? What
was the cylinder made of? Other details?
Axil
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:46 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Bob Papp told me, last
I visited Bob Papp last Friday afternoon in West Liberty, IA. My main
motivation was just to see if the guy seemed sane and of good character.
He did.
I say this as someone who has gone through a pretty serious episode of
being drawn in by Paul Koloc and his ball lightning system back in the
The 3rd Sterling video from the tesla tech discussed 2 coils in each
cyclinder, one for compression one for containment. Rossi had two sets
of wires leading into his tubular heater...
If you do not use the coils for containment and compression of ions, you
will require much higher voltage for
Axil,
Good description except your initial assumption that the energy
is from fusion remains unfounded.
Fran
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 1:46 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Another secret sauce.
How does the energy from
If it is not fission or fusion then it is Gremlins(collapsed matter)
belching hawking radiation. They are going to be very hard to witness
since when you focus photons/light on them they devour it...
Expansion should trigger cooling
Evaporation should trigger heat, electrical
Obviously, I mean't Bob Rohner, not Bob Papp.
I'm rather distracted by my wife being in surgery as I am using the
hospital waiting room computer to write this.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
I visited Bob Papp last Friday afternoon in West Liberty, IA.
I realize I have the advantage of nobody really knowing how a
microsingularity (gremlin) would react/evaporate at the quantum scale. My
theory is that quantum gravity allows for even smaller energy level black
holes then expected and we are witnessing those with these systems and ball
lightning.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Bastiaan Bergman
bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com wrote:
Lesson:
We have no freeking clue how fusion works
The heat of the corona comes from hydrinos and they are thrown off as
dark matter:
The best explanation for the Corona thermal anomaly is still ignored,
despite the preponderance of evidence. This is because the source of heat is
NOT nuclear and the mainstream demands that it be nuclear.
The spectrum of the corona is well-known and well studied, and all of the
hydrino lines are
In my Grand Unification Theory of Cold Fusion (Gremlins - collapsed
singularities):
A gremlin that has devoured/collapsed Hydrogen ions is nicknamed a Hydrino
A gremlin that has devoured Helium ions is nicknamed a... Helino?
A Helino might belch Hydrinos? or at least something similar.
On Mon,
this graph is not data, it is decoration.
we should not overinterpret .
It might be one of the first run, unoptimized, a missed run, or ...
You might also miss the interpretation of the labels.
their claimed data are normally the best they succeed after optimization
they gave no data, beside
Black holes are spatially large gravity wells that slow time, I think your
singularity should be called a white hole because it is a suppression of
gravity [a hill or warp] that instead accelerates time.. My posit is a
relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect where the semantics of
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:20:50 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
I thought the cylinder walls were made of metal.
I did not say that.
I said it would pass through glass and be adsorbed by a conductor. Read my
posts more carefully.
Axil
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:39 AM,
Iggy Dalrymple
August 12th, 2012 at 10:17 PM
Dear Dr Rossi,
Regarding the fact that your industrial Hot-Cat can now be driven by gas:
What type gas, propane? If driven by gas, do you still require
electricity for the controls? If electric is still required, will a
battery suffice?
Sincerely,
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:12:57 +:
Hi,
[snip]
It is possible to control how clusters form in a mixture of noble gases by
adjusting the proportions of each noble gas in the mix.
When these clusters are excited by lasers or sparks, they developed intense
On 08/13/2012 03:56 PM, Bastiaan Bergman wrote:
http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/90
specifically:
The finding revealed that the solar corona was a few million degrees
kelvin, more than three hundred times hotter than the surface of the
sun below, and flew in the face of what was expected
Francis,
My vision is a micro-singularity(gremlin) of collapsed matter weighing near
a planck mass, 22 micrograms, roughly the weight of a grain of sand. You
might envision this angry gremlin floating thu the air/wind following
magnetic fields and emitting sparks as it is evaporating or possibly
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/08/12/cold-fusion-finally-accepted-scientists-166521/
Sorry Bob Rohner (not Bob Papp)...
And he had another model -- not the model he used for the demo. He said
he'd fire the demo model up with the coil removed if I wanted but I didn't
bother taking him up on it.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Did Bob Papp
I think others have posted this inside other threads . . . Anyway, see:
file:///home/chronos/user/Downloads/2012-08-08_NIWeek_%20Defkalion%20Technical%20presentation_%20J%20Hadjichristos%20(1).pdf
See:
http://www.nature.com/news/seven-days-3-9-august-2012-1.11139#comment-48984
That URL points on your filesystem, we can't see it!
mic
2012/8/14 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
I think others have posted this inside other threads . . . Anyway, see:
Oops! Sorry. That is my local computer address.
The original was linked here:
http://lenrnews.eu/?p=592
PDF file here:
https://dl.dropbox.com/sh/y5mya5l03zg968c/3Vzp4CJFmA/2012-08-13%20ICCF-17__Paper_DGTGx.pdf?dl=1
- Jed
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Francis,
My vision is a micro-singularity(gremlin) of collapsed matter weighing near
a planck mass, 22 micrograms, roughly the weight of a grain of sand. You
might envision this angry gremlin floating thu the
How do the fields from the coil get through the metal walls?
Cheers: Axil
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:36 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:20:50 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
I thought the cylinder walls were made of metal.
I did not say that.
Those slides and also their paper presented on ICCF 17, which is also
available, are sadly inconclusive. They just add confusion to the mass.
I asked someone to ask defkalion people if they had done isotope analysis
and to ask what were the light elements.
They said they did no isotope analysis,
isotope analysis anno 2012:
Just put your stuff out on the street. If it gets stolen, it contained
copper.
On 08/13/2012 09:55 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Those slides and also their paper presented on ICCF 17, which is also
available, are sadly inconclusive. They just add confusion to the mass.
Le Aug 13, 2012 à 8:50 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com a écrit :
The first hurdle is to prove that this announcement is not just misdirection
as we have been exposed to on numerous occasions. Does anyone have evidence
that what was reported within the video is accurate? How can we
.
They said they did no isotope analysis, yet they said there was no
transmutation of Ni. I don't know how could they conclude that.
.
In the paper they clearly state, and I quote:
Le Aug 13, 2012 à 11:24 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com a écrit :
Message for whack-out inventors. The record of great results from keeping it
all very secret is a total disaster.
Thank you for the links. From Eugene Mallove's article: Joseph Papp was a
'hero' to have brought
From the paper, It is not clear to me if they used isotopic ratio mass
spectroscopy, which means, it seems did not try to determine the isotopes,
they just plotted the variation of the mass of the samples with great
accuracy. It's not possible to figure out if the samples were contaminated.
It
Celani has set up his demonstration cell. The people from TI reworked the
instruments and the LabView code that collects data. They did a beautiful
job. Celani just told me that he inputs 48 W constantly. This morning it
did not work. They ran it and let it cool to clean it. They tried again
about
Celani has set up his demonstration cell. The people from TI reworked the
instruments and the LabView code that collects data. They did a beautiful
job. Celani just told me that he inputs 48 W constantly. This morning it
did not work. They ran it and let it cool to clean it. They tried again
about
Jed, is the device putting out heat of 48 + 20 = 68 watts? I just wanted to
make sure I understood your description. Thanks.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:14 am
Subject: [Vo]:Celani
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Jed, is the device putting out heat of 48 + 20 = 68 watts?
Correct. At peak that is what it does. At the moment it is 48 + 5 = ~53. It
is just turning on. It sometimes takes many hours to ramp up to peak.
I think they need a lot of input power to bring
Sounds good. Just one more quick question if I may. Are they monitoring the
radiation emitted by the device? If so, do you see any special energy levels
such as 511 keV?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue,
Thanks Jed for reporting! Does it mean that you have now seen first ever
scientifically demonstrable quantum reactor that producess clear and
replicable anomalous heat effect?
Too bad that Fleischmann cannot receive Nobel prize anymore. But at least
he did not die in vain but is making soon
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