[Vo]:Ni-62 patent application

2013-05-21 Thread mixent
Hi, If you go to https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?number=EP08873805lng=entab=doclist then select 15.04.2013 Reply to communication from the Examining Division and load all pages I get the distinct impression that Ni-62 was made specific in order to distinguish this patent

Re: [Vo]:3rd Party Report Released - Angels on a pin

2013-05-21 Thread Alain Sepeda
and that water flow calorimetry is required... (heard it too). so there is no way to please them. that is on purpose. exhausting. 2013/5/20 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com Debunkers will say water flow calorimetry conceals a trick. Harry On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 4:31 PM, David L

Re: [Vo]:3rd Party Report Released

2013-05-21 Thread Alain Sepeda
it is done. good prediction. 2013/5/21 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Mary Yugo will claim that Rossi alone is doing this, and the scientists are being duped. That can only mean he has a magical ability to change the reading in a clamp-on ammeter, a voltmeter, and an IR camera that is

Re: [Vo]:3rd Party Report Released

2013-05-21 Thread Peter Gluck
Mary Yugo is indeed the bravest skeptic- she commented a lot on my blog. Very inspiring mode of thinking. Others (Cude?) have much slower reactions. Peter On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: it is done. good prediction. 2013/5/21 Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Peter Gluck
A bright analysis, dear Jed! An anticipated answer to the paid killers (only Mary Yugo has surfaced till now, brave girl sui generis) I would gladly invite you to extend this writing to a *guest editorial *for my blog, even if you had not accepted the LENR vs LENR+ dichotomy till now. Cousin Peter

Re: [Vo]:3rd Party Report Released

2013-05-21 Thread Alain Sepeda
Just one question to all the experts around. can you correct my reasoning. I'm not experienced in that domain. The report claim a COP above 5 in one experiments. My goal is to rule-out COP=1 since the measure is done by thermography I think naively that to explain such an error : - one way to

RE: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Peter: ... (only Mary Yugo has surfaced till now, ... Where? A link? What did she say? Someone should start a thread pointing to what the Rossi skeptics, like Cude, Yugo, or S. Krivit have decided to say about these latest developments. I haven't been able to find anything. so far.

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Peter Gluck
Comment on my blog to this most recent paper. My answers to Mary I wrote to Steve Krivit signalling this Report, no answer. I sincerely fear this very talented journalist is depresed obsessed, who knows... Peter On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:38 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-21 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Hi Ed, I got lost trying to address everything so am just going to focus on this paragraph [snip] Just how the field can cause a force is difficult to explain. Photons obviously do not work as an explanation. Now you suggest that the force is related to gravity and inertia.

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Patrick Ellul
This is Krivit's reaction on the Forbes article: Steven B. Krivit http://blogs.forbes.com/people/stevenbkrivit/9 hours ago This is a partially independent measurement, performed on a device that was built by and controlled by Rossi, and located in Rossi’s facility. The measurement was performed

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: Rossi's 3rd party test released:

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Here you've used average emissivity. I think a rock-bottom lower bound (or something along those lines) would use ε=1. I do not readily see a way to extract such a calculation for the March 2013 run from the data presented in the paper. I guess you

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Peter Gluck
According to this they had to build a new E-cat from scratch and test it on a continent where Rossi has no access (Antarctica for example) Hatred poisons the intellect, Krivit is really obsessed. Peter On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote: This is Krivit's

RE: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Chris Zell
Gasp! Why this Cold Fusion thing is clearly some sort of conspiracy !!!

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Peter Gluck
Chris, some 4 years ago you wrote something about Paul Feyerabend. What would this philosopher say about the slogan of ICCF-18? I need your help for a blog paper. if you want to help please write me in private. Peter On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: **

Re: [Vo]:Ni-62 patent application

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I get the impression that Rossi is trying to get a patent without disclosing his secret sauce, and the patent office isn't happy about it. I doubt they care. It would not be a valid patent if he does not disclose everything he knows. I do not know whether they

Re: [Vo]:3rd Party Report Released

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: - one way to be wrong would be to make a temperature error. since power in in T^4, error is 5^1/4, about 1.5, thus +50%/-33%, assuming no convection. Yes, temperature measurement is critical. That is why they checked the surface temperature with a

[Vo]:Celani detects gamma emissions during the January 14, 2011 Rossi Test

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
[Here is a message I posted in 2011] Celani detects gamma emissions during the January 14, 2011 Rossi Test Villa reported no gamma emissions or other radiation significantly above background from the Rossi device. Celani, however, said that he did detect something. Here are the details he

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: Rossi's 3rd party test released:

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Another thing I forgot to mention is that they ignore heat from the ends of the cylinder and from the large flange. I'll bet those two would add ~100 W. Okay, unaccounted for losses during the calibration at 810 W were 58 W. Not ~100 W. The calibration was stepped up through

RE: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Chris Zell
If there is an afterlife, Feyerabend might be laughing at anything that suggests 'method' ! If I had the time and skills, I'd write a blog/book on what I call Atheist Theology - a deliberate oxymoron. If science is wholly based on reductionism and materialism, then it is functionally

[Vo]:Krivit pulls the ladder up behind him

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
At the Forbes site, Krivit takes no prisoners, and leaves himself no path of retreat: This is a partially independent measurement, performed on a device that was built by and controlled by Rossi, and located in Rossi’s facility. The measurement was performed by some of the parties that have

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: Rossi's 3rd party test released:

2013-05-21 Thread Kevin O'Malley
posting it here on Vortex for purposes of using it elsewhere... Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device: Maybe The World Will Change After All 31 comments, 0 called-out

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2013-05-21 04:09, Jed Rothwell wrote: I just read this paper for the third time. This is a gem. [...] Luboš Motl seems to think otherwise, but I think he's adopted an excessively negative view probably due to personal bias against CF/LENR in general:

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: Rossi's 3rd party test released:

2013-05-21 Thread Edmund Storms
OK Peter, let's explore the dynamic creation process you suggest. First, a condition must be present that allows the NAE to form by release of Gibbs energy. If this condition exists, than it will not decompose under the same condition. The condition must change before the NAE can

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
It seems that by the table provided concerning the emissivity of metals, dark materials are within .85 - .95% even at 1000C. So, the 10% error, claimed by the paper, is accurate. 2013/5/21 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2013-05-21 04:09, Jed Rothwell wrote: I just read this

RE: [Vo]:Ni-62 patent application

2013-05-21 Thread Jones Beene
Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com mailto:mix...@bigpond.com If you go to https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?number=EP08873805lng=entab= doclist I get the distinct impression that Ni-62 was made specific in order to distinguish this patent application from

Re: [Vo]:3rd Party Report Released

2013-05-21 Thread Robert Lynn
Haven't commented here in a while, pretty excited that after a couple of years of Rossi's shenanigans it's all perhaps about to happen. But I come from a hard test and measurement background (mechanical and electrical engineer, specialising in thermodynamics) and am by nature quite skeptical, so

[Vo]:[Vo] substitutes?

2013-05-21 Thread DJ Cravens
Ni-62 If we assume that speculation about Rossi is correct, what materials other than Ni-62 could be used? If it is p + X reaction, what other isotopes other than Ni62 could be used?Or perhaps it is really a p+p reaction with Ni-62 donating something??? Anyone have any suggestions? Dennis

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Michele Comitini
2013/5/21 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com http://motls.blogspot.com/**2013/05/tommaso-dorigo-** impressed-by-cold-fusion.htmlhttp://motls.blogspot.com/2013/05/tommaso-dorigo-impressed-by-cold-fusion.html Tommaso Dorigo is another apparently highly regarded skeptic who isn't

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Michele Comitini
2013/5/21 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com http://motls.blogspot.com/**2013/05/tommaso-dorigo-** impressed-by-cold-fusion.htmlhttp://motls.blogspot.com/2013/05/tommaso-dorigo-impressed-by-cold-fusion.html Tommaso Dorigo is another apparently highly regarded skeptic who isn't

RE: [Vo]:substitutes?

2013-05-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: DJ Cravens Ni-62 If we assume that speculation about Rossi is correct, what materials other than Ni-62 could be used? If it is p + X reaction, what other isotopes other than Ni62 could be used? Or perhaps it

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Harry Veeder
I would shorten the title from “Applying the Scientific Method to Understanding Anomalous Heat Effects: Opportunities and Challenges.” to “Understanding Anomalous Heat Effects: Opportunities and Challenges.” Harry On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Harry Veeder
The original German title of Feyerabend's book is Wider den Methodenzwang. Skizzen einer anarchistischen Erkenntnistheorie. The standard English translation is Against Method. Outline Of An Anarchist Theory of Knowledge I have been told by someone who speaks German that a better translation is

[Vo]:Stremmenos had some Rossi pixie-dust and made his own ecat

2013-05-21 Thread Alan Fletcher
http://prometeon.it/news.php In Italian ... http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ittl=enjs=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fprometeon.it%2Fnews.php 18 / 5/13 - The direct testimony of Professor. Stremmenos For the first time in a long time, Christos Stremmenos, a physicist who

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: Rossi's 3rd party test released:

2013-05-21 Thread Mark Gibbs
Kevin, Publishing a summary or abstract of my piece would have been fine (under the concept of Fair Use) but posting my article in full to a list (and a public list at that) is a breach of both my copyright and Forbes'. I'd be less annoyed if you'd waited a week or two but for heaven's sake, this

RE: [Vo]:Celani detects gamma emissions during the January 14, 2011 Rossi Test

2013-05-21 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
Thank you Jed to remind me this exchange you had with Celani. I was not fully aware of every detail. When I was reading, an idea come to me mind. Could it be possible that the secret sauce of Rossi is a gamma emitter? I explain myself: Secretly, Rossi could have opened his reactor to adjust

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-21 Thread Axil Axil
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1103.0187v3 Casimir effect from macroscopic quantum electrodynamics Authors: T.G. Philbinhttp://arxiv.org/find/quant-ph/1/au:+Philbin_T/0/1/0/all/0/1 (Submitted on 1 Mar 2011 (v1 http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.0187v1), last revised 9 Jun 2011 (this version, v3)) Abstract: The

RE: [Vo]:substitutes?

2013-05-21 Thread DJ Cravens
yes Ni62 has the lowest binding energy/nuc. Fe 56 has the lowest mass per nuc. (due to p n masses). if some isotope of Fe or other material can be found to be active, there is a chance that alloys with some isotope of Fe and something that is permeable to p's might be useful. My

Re: [Vo]:substitutes?

2013-05-21 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 21-5-2013 18:31, Jones Beene wrote: As to the first part - yes - Ni-62 is a singularity in the periodic table, being the one isotope with the highest binding energy per nucleon of all known nuclides (~8.8 MeV per) Ok, then the following questions pops into my mind: Why is it that

RE: [Vo]:Celani detects gamma emissions during the January 14, 2011 Rossi Test

2013-05-21 Thread DJ Cravens
Perhaps Rossi was adding some catalyst. For example, perhaps his source of Ni 62 is slightly radioactive (say it was prepared via neutron activation of other Ni isotopes say there was some Ni 63m in it). Then it might register when the catalyst was accessed. Dennis

RE: [Vo]:substitutes?

2013-05-21 Thread DJ Cravens
that is interesting.I think that Ni 56 then quickly to Ni 60 is the end product of a Si cycle involving alpha additions. That is why there is more of it. But yes, why could 62 be good? Dennis Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 19:51:43 +0200 From: manonbrid...@aim.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: Rossi's 3rd party test released:

2013-05-21 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Mark: Welcome to da internets. I hope you don't 'loose' your reputation. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: Kevin, Publishing a summary or abstract of my piece would have been fine (under the concept of Fair Use) but posting my article in full to a list

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response - radioactive scare

2013-05-21 Thread David L Babcock
My prediction: So many oil dollars will jump on this possibility of unleashed radioactive doom that they will squash any progress in cold fusion. That aspect is not a particularly a good thing. But it will happen. Abetting this will be the horde of semi-literate tea party types, ready to

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: Rossi's 3rd party test released:

2013-05-21 Thread Alan Fletcher
PopSci isn't impressed : http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-05/cold-fusion-machine-gets-third-party-verification-inventor-says .. The paper, which is not peer-reviewed, leaves out crucial details, for example referring to unknown additives instead of specifying what chemicals actually

RE: [Vo]:substitutes?

2013-05-21 Thread Jones Beene
Revised from a prior posting: Naïve metaphorical approach to Rossi's claim of Ni-62 thermal gain: Imagine a number of strong springs subject to compressive loads. The strongest spring gives the fastest return to normal geometry following compression. What is the limiting factor on how close to

Re: [Vo]:Celani detects gamma emissions during the January 14, 2011 Rossi Test

2013-05-21 Thread David Roberson
It is necessary to see radiation being emitted by the ECATs in a more controlled environment. Why assume that radiation is potentially a safety issue when it has not been detected except possibly in this one case? Are there other reports that can be correlated? Had Celani been in the room

Re: [Vo]:substitutes?

2013-05-21 Thread David Roberson
Maybe most of the Ni-62 has been converted in nature since it is the most reactive. Dave -Original Message- From: DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 1:56 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:substitutes? that is interesting.I think that Ni

[Vo]:E-Cat general observations

2013-05-21 Thread Andrew
My very first post here, so be gentle. By way of introduction, I was on Usenet back in the PF days and made some money off palladium futures - I mention this to indicate that I've been in this space before. It seems so very long ago. I used to post with the moniker LordSnooty back then. I

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-21 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Axil, nice citation, the math is beyond my pay grade but I believe the gist of the paper is that macro Casimir materials and geometries can now be calculated much more easily, and this agrees with what authors of Advances in Casimir Effect were predicting in 2009 as methods for

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat general observations

2013-05-21 Thread Andrew
Oops typo: should have been over 100 hours - Original Message - From: Andrew andrew...@att.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: [Vo]:E-Cat general observations My very first post here, so be gentle. By way of introduction, I was on Usenet back in

Re: [Vo]:Celani detects gamma emissions during the January 14, 2011 Rossi Test

2013-05-21 Thread Axil Axil
http://cold-fusion.ca/floridagate-puts-rossi-under-scrutiny-299000 *“Floridagate” puts Rossi under scrutiny* The matter was investigated by Mr James Stokes who reported “Dr Rossi stated the active ingredients are powdered nickel and a tablet containing a compound which releases hydrogen gas

[Vo]:Dynamic creation of NHE hypothesis

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
These conversations are getting all mixed up. Let me start a new thread for this one. Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: In addition, the formation and destruction process must remain in balance because otherwise the process will stop once all the NAE are destroyed. It they do not

Re: [Vo]:Celani detects gamma emissions during the January 14, 2011 Rossi Test

2013-05-21 Thread Axil Axil
http://shutdownrossi.com/e-cat-science/110-quotes-by-rossi-about-gamma-rays-and-transmutations/ 110+ Quotes by Rossi about Gamma Rays and Transmutations On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://cold-fusion.ca/floridagate-puts-rossi-under-scrutiny-299000

RE: [Vo]:Celani detects gamma emissions during the January 14, 2011 Rossi Test

2013-05-21 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
Lovable : Is it an April fool ? (Look at the date of comment of Andrea Rossi) 2. Andrea Rossi http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=614cpage=1#comment-209521 April 1st, 2012 at 5:51 PM Dear Steven N. Karels: We use regular Ni, then we make series of treatment. The cost of treatment

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat general observations

2013-05-21 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Andrew andrew...@att.net Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:14:14 AM My very first post here, so be gentle. Yeah ... sre ... 3. You'll notice that the plot for Plutonium has the axes erroneously swapped. It's been fixed in the article. Also the Power density for Plutonium

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On May 21, 2013, at 5:09 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This is a gem. Indeed. This paper proves that Mr. Krivit's criticism on bad calorimetry was utterly false but Rossi has a method to import excess electricity into device that does not register on measurements. I.e. he has

Re: [Vo]:Celani detects gamma emissions during the January 14, 2011 Rossi Test

2013-05-21 Thread Axil Axil
My interpretation of this quote is as follows: Rossi starts off with 5 micron nickel powder. He then forms nickel nanowires on the surface of this micro-powder using a propriety surface treatment. This treatment uses ionized nickel that Rossi sprays on the surface of the micro-powder. He selects

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Eric Walker
On May 21, 2013, at 8:41, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: I see they are starting to call themselves out as being not competent in the field. Like saying they do not know. That's a good sign. Someone should write a manual for walking back an extreme position. This move

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Eric Walker
On May 21, 2013, at 11:39, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi just keeps getting COP 6 with all his devices. There were two main test runs. One achieved a COP of ~6 and the other, slightly longer one, of ~3. Eric

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat general observations

2013-05-21 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
From pictures in the Levi's report, the wires are not galvanic shielded between the eCat and the controller. Thus frequency of the waveform (if any) is low. And the waveform should be easily determined by a simple oscilloscope. 2. I don't have a problem with this verification being done at

Re: [Vo]:substitutes?

2013-05-21 Thread Axil Axil
DJ Cravens The LENR reaction is driven by geometry not material. The high school reactor uses tungsten without isotope separation. The key to the process is to use micro and nanoparticles is a wide range of sizes to support dark mode EMF amplification. Additional theory is available upon

[Vo]:Bowery comment on Forbes

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery made this comment in the Forbes article. This is well said, and hilarious. A textbook physics 101 exercise that should be a piece of cake for you, MaryYugo: Assuming the electrical measurements were performed by a PCE-830 Power and Harmonics Analyzer by PCE Instruments with a

[Vo]:Steven Krivit is not convinced that Rossi can obtain excess heat

2013-05-21 Thread Peter Gluck
In some cultures and sub-cultures (not speaking about counter-cultures) NOT changing your opinions is considered a virtue. An example: http://news.newenergytimes.net/2013/05/21/rossi-manipulates-academics-to-create-illusion-of-independent-test/ Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread David L Babcock
I dispute your COP 6 point. Dave Roberson has pointed out in a series of posts that /in a thermally controlled heat generating reaction/ the COP of 6 is about the best you can reliably aim for. Values above that are too near thermal runaway, and of course lower COP is less efficient.//A telling

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat general observations

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: That was the motivation behind the hot-cat : the current operating temperature of around 300C is likely a good fit with the Siemens turbine they are purportedly experimenting with. The pressurized water in a conventional fission reactor is about 320°C I

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Andrew
http://motls.blogspot.com/2013/05/tommaso-dorigo-impressed-by-cold-fusion.htmlMotl's critique seems to hinge on the actual output power being far less than the estimate.He asserts that the actual emissivity is far less than unity, and so it's reasonable to supposethat the actual output power is

Re: [Vo]:Steven Krivit is not convinced that Rossi can obtain excess heat

2013-05-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: In some cultures and sub-cultures (not speaking about counter-cultures) NOT changing your opinions is considered a virtue. An example:

Re: [Vo]:Dynamic creation of NHE hypothesis

2013-05-21 Thread Axil Axil
I have talked about Rydberg mater very often here at vortex. Hydrogen can form Rydberg matter. It is the SOLID form of clustered hydrogen. This hydrogen cluster is actually a alkali metal. Yes, hydrogen can form into nano-particles. These hydrogen nano-particles behave just like nickel

Re: [Vo]:3rd Party Report Released

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Lynn wrote: And I can think of a number of ways of cheating to get heat into the reactor: Altering the electrical measurement equipment supplied . . . How could this fool a clamp on ammeter and a voltmeter attached directly to the wire? If you know how to fool these instruments you

RE: [Vo]:Bowery comment on Forbes

2013-05-21 Thread Chris Zell
I'm generally thinking that, if the glowing ( and melting?) object in the photo is the reactor, then whatever hidden wires are feeding it would tend to be glowing and smoking, too. Just bein' heuristic, here. There's a reason why we have electrical codes and wire gauges - so your house doesn't

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote: *Doesn't he have this backwards?* At constant output power, as the emissivity reduces, output power will apparently reduce, meaning that what is measured is progressively less than what's actually output. Yes, he has it backwards. Emissivity of 1 means the

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Dynamic creation of NHE hypothesis

2013-05-21 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Axil, Although I was aware that alkali metals like calcium can form Casimir geometry I missed the fact that Rydberg hydrogen could also take this form in your previous mentions of Rydberg matter and it could be an important missing piece if true.. it certainly trumps the Mills

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Motl is a pretty racist guy saying all the Italians are part of the mafia family. Very offended. Giovanni On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote: *Doesn't he have this backwards?* At constant output power, as the emissivity

RE: [Vo]:substitutes?

2013-05-21 Thread DJ Cravens
notice the jump in Nickel stocks... example NILSY up about 1.5% today. I wonder. Dennis

[Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Somewhere in all these recent comments, Jones Beene made interesting observations about the cost of nickel isotopes. I cannot find the comments. The gist of it was that if Rossi device requires an unusual metal isotope the cost may not be much cheaper than conventional energy. I believe that is

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Andrew andrew...@att.net Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:16:45 PM http://motls.blogspot.com/2013/05/tommaso-dorigo-impressed-by-cold-fusion.html He also makes a big fuss about the convection being different between December and March. They ran at different temperatures, and were

RE: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread DJ Cravens
Ni 62 has zero spin but the others have a nuclear spin component. So I should be relatively easy to come up with a way to separate them. D2 Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:15:20 -0400 From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Andrew
An important issue is how one could possibly hoax such measured values of input and output energy and power densities. Since the supply powering the E-cat is off-limits, they measure only wall power. That means that one could secrete a discrete power source inside the supply box, and its power

RE: [Vo]:substitutes?

2013-05-21 Thread DJ Cravens
Oh and notice gold is down, Ni up and most metal are flat today. It is though someone out there is selling some gold to buy Ni and Ni stocks. Just a guess. Dennis From: djcrav...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:substitutes? Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 14:13:51 -0600

RE: [Vo]:Steven Krivit is not convinced that Rossi can obtain excess heat

2013-05-21 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton In some cultures and sub-cultures (not speaking about counter-cultures) NOT changing your opinions is considered a virtue. An example: http://news.newenergytimes.net/2013/05/21/rossi-manipulates-academics-to-cre ate-illusion-of-independent-test/

Re: [Vo]:substitutes?

2013-05-21 Thread Andrew
Back in the day, Dennis, I turned $10K into $150K in a matter of weeks. Palladium futures! Andrew - Original Message - From: DJ Cravens To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:substitutes? Oh and notice gold is down, Ni up and most

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat general observations

2013-05-21 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
The temperature limitation of fission nuclear plant is due to temperature of vaporization of water. The reactor must always be filled with liquid water. At the pressure inside a fission reactor, the limiting temperature is just a little above 300°C. The water is slowing the neutron. Without water,

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Bob Higgins
I don't understand why 62Ni would make a difference in the reaction. Are we now seriously considering that the Ni nucleus participates in the nuclear reaction that causes the heat? Dr. Storms proposes that physical cracks in the lattice are the NAE and the money crop of the reaction does not

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote: Since the supply powering the E-cat is off-limits, they measure only wall power. That means that one could secrete a discrete power source inside the supply box, and its power output would evade measurement. That's the input hoax. Mary Yugu suggested this,

RE: [Vo]:substitutes?

2013-05-21 Thread DJ Cravens
Well, If I had the $$. but of course I have spent most of my savings on nano Ni, gas systems, and experimental things.. Oh and expect to use the reminder on a NI Week trip and set up. Oh, well. I have long since given up on trying to make any money from this field. Dennis From:

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: If he only increased the concentration of one rare isotope, without eliminating the others, I assume that would work. The point being that present day isotope separation techniques work by processing the same material over and over again, gradually increasing the concentration of

RE: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Jones Beene
Guys, Without getting too philosophical Cost is almost a relative thing. When the demand is there, the cost will come down to some reasonable level. When the politicians favor it, the cost will be even lower. Aluminum was more expensive than gold when it was first put into production.

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Good point, Bob. Simple arguments can show that the amount of energy claimed by Rossi can not result from the Ni+p=Cu reaction regardless of the isotope. Ironically, people will accept Rossi's claim that transmutation is the source of energy while questioning whether he makes any energy

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Andrew
You're missing my point. A power meter looking at wall power is blind to any internal power source in the box that directly supplies the device with additional power. There's another way to perpetrate the output hoax, and that's to secrete infrared lasers in the ceiling and heat the device up

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote: ** You're missing my point. A power meter looking at wall power is blind to any internal power source in the box that directly supplies the device with additional power. What sort of internal power source? A generator? That would noisy and obvious. A

RE: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread DJ Cravens
yes, I have doubts about Ni + p or Ni + 2p reactions. most of these seem endothermic to me. I would be more inclined to think there some kind of p+p like event. (OK Ed... p e p ) Dennis CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com From: stor...@ix.netcom.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re:

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat in the press

2013-05-21 Thread Andrew
http://pesn.com/2013/05/21/9602321_E-Cat_Validation_Creates_More_Questions/ - Original Message - From: Andrew To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:41 PM Subject: [Vo]:E-Cat in the press

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Axil Axil
If you have studied the ash from the Ni/H reactors you must conclude that: Any elements having an even number of nucleons with spin zero will react in LENR. LENR has a far greater energy density than U235 because cascades of LENR reaction products will fission from a very high atomic weight to a

RE: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread DJ Cravens
If you want to go the hoax path perhaps a ground loop with some current going through the metal supports, or through the gas connects. I doubt it. And 96 hours is fairly long. Not as long as I would wish, but still longer than any chemistry I can think of. That glow in the picture is

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat in the press

2013-05-21 Thread Axil Axil
*The Energy Catalyzer has been tested, successfully, yet again. However, the report has created more questions about the enigmatic technology, such as how can the E-Cat melt ceramic -- with a melting point of 2000 degrees C -- when the fuel of the E-Cat, nickel, has a much lower melting point?*

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Andrew
A hidden wire at 10 KV would need to carry only 50 mA. That's small. A battery would need to supply (say, conservatively) 500 W for 116 hours, or 200 MJ. Lithium batteries are about 2 MJ/Kg, so that's 100 Kg of battery. I agree that's unlikely but don;t have enough information to make the

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat general observations

2013-05-21 Thread Axil Axil
Just the opposite. Water is a moderator/ Only slow neutrons (thermalized) produce the fission reaction. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.bewrote: ** The temperature limitation of fission nuclear plant is due to temperature of vaporization of water. The

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread James Bowery
The strongest technical argument for the veracity of this report is that the power measured going into the device is 360W and that the way it was measured was from the wall socket through an industry standard power analyzer (PCE-830 Power and Harmonics Analyzer by PCE Instruments). Detractors

RE: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins I don't understand why 62Ni would make a difference in the reaction. Are we now seriously considering that the Ni nucleus participates in the nuclear reaction that causes the heat IMO this is a Mills type reaction (BLP), involving deep hydrogen redundancy - and

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

2013-05-21 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
My argument against what Motl claims (what I wrote on his post): I think Lumo you are wrong on this issue of epsilon. The camera doesn't know about temperatures but can measure power. If you use a higher epsilon (1 being the highest) than the real one you are actually underestimating the

Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll,and Physicists

2013-05-21 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
After all this is Physics so he should be able to speak in a competent manner about it. But everybody can make a logical mistake, the problem with Motl is that he is too sure about himself and too arrogant, almost in an aggressive way. Giovanni On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Randy Wuller

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