Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Alain Sepeda
on the kid story, this is not new, and Bruce Schneier explain well that it is security theater, and that there is serious way to manage security. I advise to read Beyond Fear https://www.schneier.com/books/beyond_fear/ great book, as all his books on cryptography are. I remember of a case of some

[Vo]:daily LENR INFO for Sep17, 2015

2015-09-17 Thread Peter Gluck
Quite consistent: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/09/sep-17-2015-daily-info.html LENR is marching on Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
lol. I love the outrage! Such drama. However simple reality is no one, and I mean no one, knows the facts on the ground. Was it an overreaction? Sure, most likely, but perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye. Maybe the kid was spouting islamic stuff. Remember columbine,

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Bob Cook
I think that the value system of the so called scientists and journalists that were involved in the P-F discrediting episode is inconsistent with what Jed implies they possessed--in other words scientist and journalist values. It seems to me they had values of capitalists and money grubbers

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
I will say one thing - the one thing I think everyone completely missed was that there should not have been a picture of the kid in handcuffs and it should have been handled much more discretely.The over reaction can be excused, but it should have been done very very quietly. That can not be

RE: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Chris Zell
It is sad for me to consider that the freedom to pursue science on your own in the US is mostly gone. Not even adults can purchase chemicals, laboratory glassware may be flat out illegal in some areas and having any sort of home lab can put you in legal jeopardy. It's also stunning to

Re: [Vo]:The Hydrogen Economy now feasible?

2015-09-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > Plus, it is easily conceivable that the best LENR implementation for > automotive will be moderately low COP (~2-3) and thus it will still require > substantial hydrogen fuel which can be made by the solar method. > If the COP is only 2 or 3 you cannot

RE: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Lennart: > Personally I see no reason for the law either against heroin > (they will abuse it anyhow) This Off Topic conversion is about to get a lot more off topic, and I don't care! ;-) I like what you said, Lennart. I generally agree with your premise. IMO, we should

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda wrote: > The problem of cold fusion was incompetence of the particle and plasma > physicist in calorimetry. > > These people were in fact not totally incompetent, just not enough to > understanf Fleischmann and trust calorimetry, but too much to be modest >

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker wrote: > I don't think it's so simple. One of these devices is the thing that > Ahmed Mohamed brought to school, and two of are what a Hollywood villain > might use to blow up a building: > In an ordinary middle school or high school perhaps it would not be

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: But this is a technical school with a staff trained in science and > electronics! Any one of them could have glanced at the gadget and seen it > was a clock. Even I can tell, and I am no expert in electronics or >

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker wrote: It's obviously a clock. But it looks a lot like a clock designed to look > like a bomb. > Not to me, it doesn't. Where is the explosive? Where is something that looks even a little like an explosive? > I suspect that was intentional. > I see no

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Cook wrote: > It seems to me they had values of capitalists and money grubbers and > little, if any, scientist and journalist values. > I do not think capitalism had much to do with it. This was typical academic politics. It was a turf war over theory and who gets

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > This sort of thing only happens in academia. > I mean, compared to programming. There are politics, backbiting, betrayal, dirty tactics and so on everywhere, in every line of work. But some industries are more prone to these things than others. Show business and academic science have

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Lennart Thornros
I am just flabbergasted. "Making something that LOOKS LIKE A BOMB is a felony".. I do not say it is not I am just wondering: 1. How to enforce that (if I build one and do not show it to someone who report me and then destroy the fake bomb and someone reports me after that am I going to be

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
laugh: http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-wozniak-in-jail-fake-bomb-2011-10 On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > Any reasonably cautious person would say this thing looks like a hoax > bomb: >

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread MJ
He could move to Poland. They teach how to make realistic fake bombs in electronic magazines: http://elportal.pl/portfolio-item/219/ MJ On 17-Sep-15 18:24, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: Any reasonably cautious person would say this thing looks like a hoax bomb:

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Any reasonably cautious person would say this thing looks like a hoax bomb: http://www.wired.com/2015/09/heres-bomb-clock-got-ahmed-mohamed-arrested/ Making something that LOOKS LIKE A BOMB is a felony. It's akin to shouting fire in a crowded theatre. Again, I think the teachers over reacted

[Vo]:ADGEX Flashlight Creators Announce USB PowerBank

2015-09-17 Thread Craig Brown
Remember those guys who said they had developed a flashlight powered by Earth's magnetic field? Well, here's the next product apparently.http://freeenergy.news/news/the-rapidly-self-charging-adgex-tachyon-powerbank/

Re: [Vo]:ADGEX Flashlight Creators Announce USB PowerBank

2015-09-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Thu, 17 Sep 2015 21:03:49 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Must keep an eye on these folks. > > > >I gather it's been speculated these devices are powered by Earth's Magnetic >field. I'm not sure how that would work. If this line of speculation

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Japanese Members of Parliament are spry!

2015-09-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Japanese Members of Parliament may be middle aged, but they are spry! See this brawl yesterday, which was featured on the 7 o'clock NHK national news: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japanese-politicians-brawl-in-parliament-in-debate-about-pacifism-10504983.html It is good to know

RE: [Vo]:ADGEX Flashlight Creators Announce USB PowerBank

2015-09-17 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Must keep an eye on these folks. I gather it's been speculated these devices are powered by Earth's Magnetic field. I'm not sure how that would work. If this line of speculation turns out to be accurate I'd guess one cannot stack too many of them together in order to boost wattage. Density

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lennart Thornros wrote: I am just flabbergasted. "Making something that LOOKS LIKE A BOMB is a > felony".. I do not say it is not I am just wondering: > 1. How to enforce that (if I build one and do not show it to someone who > report me and then destroy the fake bomb and

[Vo]:OT: drone videos

2015-09-17 Thread Eric Walker
Some new drone videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MBW8zoZUR4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p5uDf9i_Yc=youtu.be Eric

Re: [Vo]:OT: drone videos

2015-09-17 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: Some new drone videos: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MBW8zoZUR4 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p5uDf9i_Yc=youtu.be > Now keep this clip in mind: https://youtu.be/rEby9OkePpg?t=2m38s Eric

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Japanese Members of Parliament are spry!

2015-09-17 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell Ø Japanese Members of Parliament may be middle aged, but they are spry! See this brawl yesterday, which was featured on the 7 o'clock NHK national news: "Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPM

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-17 Thread Lennart Thornros
argument Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Japanese Members of Parliament are spry!

2015-09-17 Thread Lennart Thornros
Polish parliament. Or history repeats itself. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent