Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-04 Thread Frank Grimer
"Jones Beene must be a lawyer..." He was - and possibly still is. ;-) On 4 June 2016 at 05:06, Axil Axil wrote: > Jones Beene: "Their opinions are* de minimis..." * > > Jones Beene must be a lawyer of at least work with them alot. > > My lawyer oftentimes describes

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Axil Axil
Jones Beene: "Their opinions are* de minimis..." * Jones Beene must be a lawyer of at least work with them alot. My lawyer oftentimes describes aspects of my case as *de minimis* *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_minimis * On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:32

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lennart Thornros wrote: > The difference between you and me is that: > I do wait and see before I decide. > No you do not! That's outrageous. Here you are blathering on about Rossi, making assumption after assumption, even though you know practically nothing about his

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lennart Thornros wrote: > > Jed, you are repeating your argument and the one about not giving IH > access to the customers facility is rather weak. Could be many reasons for > that. > No, there could not be many reasons for that. There is only one plausible reason: Rossi did

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Lennart Thornros
Eric, I have not even read their (IH) reply. From my experience I think they are more vague than I expected from a professional investor. That saddens me a bit. They have not denied the accusations about using positive results from Rossi to attract capital, which I had expected. Jed, you are

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lennart Thornros wrote: > No, Jed. > There are no facts. > Yes, there are. Rossi himself gave them to you. He said the I.H. expert insisted on seeing the customer site, but he did not allow it. If you think that points to anything other than fraud, you are a poor judge of

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Lennart Thornros wrote: IH has not played there hand very wisely, which surprise me. What are they > hiding? If you have had a chance to read IH's reply to Rossi's complaint, which of the original claims to you believe to survive the reply?

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Lennart Thornros
No, Jed. There are no facts. You have decided the outcome and then you make statements based on facts you say are secret. The labeling of people is totally unsubstantiated and very biased plus unnecessary rude. Wait and see or substantiate your claims. IH has not played there hand very wisely,

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > However, it is difficult to believe that he has nothing to show for many > years of effort and millions spent, in a field where there has been prior > success by others. > He did seem to have had positive results at various times. Certainly Rossi can

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: How do you know what I know and what not? > I can tell by reading your blog. Do you can give examples of unfounded nonsense > and absurd mistakes I have made in this IH Rossi discussion.? > I gave you some examples, right in your blog. You and your

RE: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Jones Beene
From: Peter Gluck Do you think you are convincing many people here? Peter, Duh! Your question about JR convincing the important technologists in the field is almost silly, IMO. Because of his extended reputation in LERN over many years, his International connections, his dedication to the

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Peter Gluck
How do you know what I know and what not? Do you can give examples of unfounded nonsense and absurd mistakes I have made in this IH Rossi discussion.? Re false accusations I have not climed that you are simply lying re the instrumentation dispute between the parts and also have not said that you

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: > Excuse me but without any details what you claim is just slogans. > YOU of all people have no right to say this! You know nothing about these tests, yet you have written blog entry after entry full of unfounded nonsense, false accusations and absurd

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: Dear Jed, > suppose I sign an NDA with you, can you then expaln me how was the > calorimetry- heat measurement so very flawed and has it transformed COP<1 > in COP 50-60 > You need to ask Rossi or I.H. Now that the lawsuit has begun, I doubt they will

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jed, suppose I sign an NDA with you, can you then expaln me how was the calorimetry- heat measurement so very flawed and has it transformed COP<1 in COP 50-60 Technically please I am a chemical engineer nd have made many such measurements in the plants and pilot plants Excuse me but without

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: can you tell when had IH not accepted the instruments? (during the 1 year > test)? > I heard about it early in the test. I do not recall when. The problems were obvious, so I.H. knew about them from the beginning. As I wrote here, several times, I was

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jed, can you tell when had IH not accepted the instruments? (during the 1 year test)? How long has Rosi and the ERV worked with instruments denied by IH and did this not lead to a major conflict including stopping of the test? Do you consider what you say here as plausible? You have never

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: But the Dismiss document is Information too > These accusations also. Why has IH accepted unsuitable instruments? > I.H. did not accept them! They objected strongly. They said there is no excess heat. They said Rossi used "flawed measurements" and

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread a.ashfield
I gather IH's response is more of a legal formality. Trying to dismiss the case so they can get it ruled on by a judge rather than a jury. My reading of the statement puts IH in a rather poor light. It's as if they set out to delay the 1 MW plant test on purpose because they just wanted the

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Peter Gluck
yes, dear Harry- in principle. But the Dismiss document is Information too These accusations also. Why has IH accepted unsuitable instruments? Only the answer to this is genuine information? I do not get the logic of this... peter On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 6:12 PM, H LV

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread H LV
Peter, this is how private R works. Neither Leonardo Corp. nor IH owe the public any information. Harry On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > *dear Jed,* > *i have just been writing my answer to this assertion:* > > *Announced a year ago this could be an

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: *i have just been writing my answer to this assertion:* > Who made this assertion? > *Announced a year ago this could be an argument but even then how could > Rossi depart from the test plan; how many reactors were "inoperable" and in > which sense?*

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Peter Gluck
*dear Jed,* *i have just been writing my answer to this assertion:* *Announced a year ago this could be an argument but even then how could Rossi depart from the test plan; how many reactors were "inoperable" and in which sense? Flawed measurements have to be reported immediately and what

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
I left out part of the footnote. It says: 1. Because Defendants are not permitted to introduce facts outside the Complaint and its Exhibits, this motion does not address, for example, the numerous errors in Plaintiffs’ purported “Guaranteed Performance Test” that the Complaint purposely ignores

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield wrote: > IH has apparently sent Krivit a copy of their legal response to the court > case. > I expect he found it by some other means. >From a quick scan it doesn’t look like they have stated the E-Cat doesn’t > work . . . > It says this on p. 2, in the

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Craig Haynie
There's nothing in the dispute which hinges on whether the device works, or not. That point may never be brought up. Craig On 06/03/2016 10:04 AM, a.ashfield wrote: IH has apparently sent Krivit a copy of their legal response to the court case. From a quick scan it doesn’t look like they

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread a.ashfield
IH has apparently sent Krivit a copy of their legal response to the court case. From a quick scan it doesn’t look like they have stated the E-Cat doesn’t work, but complain about the delay in starting the 1 MWtest, the instrumentation used and complain about the old E-Cats on stand-by not

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1 Legal issues

2016-06-03 Thread Daniel Rocha
They cite to much jurisprudence!!! US law is way too confusing. There should be a patent lawyer to comment this. 2016-06-02 23:51 GMT-03:00 Bob Cook : > > > > If I were In IH’s shoes, I would be worried. > > >

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Eric Walker
IH's motion to dismiss the lawsuit, filed with the federal court in Florida, is now available: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Rossi-vs-Darden/20160602-Darden-et-al-Motion-to-Dismiss.pdf Eric

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread a.ashfield
Ross's attorney has issued a public statement saying that the license between Leonardo Corp and Industrial Heat has been terminated due to IH's failure to make payment for it. http://ecat.com/news/pressrelease-industrial-heat-loses-license-for-rossis-e-cat

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-03 Thread Peter Gluck
dear Adrian, today being Rossi's 66 birthday "Rossi resurrected cold fusion from near death only about five years ago. As a result several universities and several *countries* are now working on LENR." would make a nice Motto on my blog, if you give permission to cite you. thanks, peter On Thu,

RE: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1 Legal issues

2016-06-02 Thread Bob Cook
Frank Znidarsic "The field of cold fusion does not need this." I don't know how you can say that when Rossi resurrected cold fusion from near death only about five years ago. As a result several universities and several countries are now working on

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-02 Thread a.ashfield
Frank Znidarsic "The field of cold fusion does not need this." I don't know how you can say that when Rossi resurrected cold fusion from near death only about five years ago. As a result several

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-02 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Rossi offered hope.Great professors had verified his technology. He even had a factory in the works in Florida. Then came the one megawatt plant. It seemed suspicious when the production of only tens of watts would had been a stupendous breakthrough. Now with the lawsuits the one megawatt

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-02 Thread Eric Walker
Adrian, The risk alluded to was not a technological one, but instead a legal one. If there is no settlement (of course there might be one), there's the likelihood that counterclaims will be raised. The license agreement itself includes language about there being no outstanding legal disputes,

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-02 Thread a.ashfield
Eric, "Rossi's new business partners will be assuming a lot of risk in working with him." While any new venture particularly one where the process is not understood is risky, if they can witness a 7 day trial and make the measurements they want, it sounds a reasonable risk to me - when

RE: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-01 Thread Jones Beene
Yet, after Srinivasan went back to BARC/India in 1996, he again found tritium. Tritium is considered by many to be the gold standard of proof for LENR. There is no rational way to explain away the appearance of tritium – even if excess heat can’t be measured. That was the same year Thermacore

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > > This is where I differ from Jed’s negative assessment: Rossi appears to > me to have achieved modest thermal gain in some of his testing, as have > others using basically the same theory of operation. > He might have in some of his tests. I cannot rule

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield wrote: Jed. "Rossi is not a reliable source of information." > > Do you really maintain there is not a test of the QuarkX going on now? > I have no earthly idea. But in the past he often claimed to be doing tests he was not doing, setting up production lines

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-01 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 4:34 PM, a.ashfield wrote: Like you, I suspect the COP has been exaggerated but perhaps not as much as > you suggest. I believe the contract for the 1 MW plant called for a COP>4. The license agreement talked about a COP of 4. The second

RE: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-01 Thread a.ashfield
Jones Beene, If Rossi is a fraud he has fooled me. Maybe because of his excitement over the last few months I feel more optimistic than I have for a while. I hope he has figured out how to run the Quark at a higher temperature without it running away. This should provide a higher COP and

RE: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-01 Thread Jones Beene
The Quark… strange and charming… or another downer? This could be a brilliant tactic on Rossi’s part – if he has anything real to show to the world this time. It is possibly his last chance at redemption, and he surely realizes the position he is in. The legal papers from IH (the answer and

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-01 Thread a.ashfield
Daniel, "I think Rossi's costumer this time is his company's branch at UK, right?" The story is that it is a Swedish customer (or possible partner), possibly ABS. I don't know where the test is being carried out.

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-01 Thread Daniel Rocha
I think Rossi's costumer this time is his company's branch at UK, right? 2016-06-01 13:19 GMT-03:00 a.ashfield : > Hank Mills gives a few more details and some speculation about the QuarkX > test.At least we will learn something from it. Silence will mean > failure.

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-01 Thread a.ashfield
Hank Mills gives a few more details and some speculation about the QuarkX test.At least we will learn something from it.Silence will mean failure.More tests will indicate there are still some problems.Rossi has stated he would comment “within ten days.”Not long compared to the one year trial.

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-06-01 Thread a.ashfield
Jed. "Rossi is not a reliable source of information." Do you really maintain there is not a test of the QuarkX going on now?

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-05-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield wrote: Rossi has started a one week test of three QuarkX reactors for a potential > customer/partner in Sweden. > Rossi is not a reliable source of information. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-05-31 Thread a.ashfield
Rossi has started a one week test of three QuarkX reactors for a potential customer/partner in Sweden. All that is known of the QuarkX is that it is about the size of a pen, produces about 100 Watts (10W/cc).It is claimed to produce electricity directly as well as heat (and possibly light).It

[Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

2016-05-24 Thread a.ashfield
Various threads have sprung up making it difficult to follow the Rossi story.I propose we start with part 1 and add more as it gets too long. Here is the best description of details of the 1 MW plant from Mats Lewan https://animpossibleinvention.com/blog/ * All the instruments for

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