Re: [Vo]:Far from equilibrium physics...

2012-01-12 Thread Axil Axil
*A mistake that many scientists make is assuming that a theory applies for all possible magnitudes and/or combinations of physical variables which affect the material under test.* ** In reply... Today, most worldwide national scientific funding is allocated toward high energy physics. The

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-01-12 08:16, David ledin wrote: video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion) http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.html Wow!, Just... wow! Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Michele Comitini
David, I wonder how did you find that video?! That NASA site is really a chaotic. There ugly presentation reflects bad implementation: trying to search for LENR related keywords and nothing comes out. mic 2012/1/12 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com: On 2012-01-12 08:16, David ledin

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-01-12 10:16, Michele Comitini wrote: David, I wonder how did you find that video?! That NASA site is really a chaotic. There ugly presentation reflects bad implementation: trying to search for LENR related keywords and nothing comes out. I found it here, it comes out as a single

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Wolf Fischer
It is even directly featured on the Technologygateway main site: http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/ On the right, headlined with the words: *NASA's Method for a Clean Nuclear Energy For Your Power Operated Technology http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.html* Wolf David, I

[Vo]:quality, not quantity

2012-01-12 Thread Andre on Vortex
We're getting quite used to teasers. Here is another one on FreeEnergyTruth: http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2012/01/quality-not-quantity.html The title 'quality, not quantity' seems to relate to the fact that not a lot of articles were posted, lately, on FET. Among the labels attached to

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Wolf Fischer
I didn't follow the discussions on the potential catalyst here (as I am no physicist), but could carbon be the missing ingredient (as C is being mentioned in the video)? Have there ever been publications on a H-Ni-C LENR experiment? Or is this something that NASA is working on and hasn't

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Finally there is movement at the station. http://www.mountainman.com.au/mansnowy.html Now all are starting the hunt for the FPE / LENR Colt that got away. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_-DKUimeo One day someone will do something like this for the LENR mob and their journey to catch the Colt.

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread David ledin
Dr. Randell mills named carbon as catalyst in his patent Catalysts recipes from Dr. Randell mills http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/11/19/3227177/Catalysts%20recipes%20from%20Dr.%20Randell%20mills%20.pdf On 1/12/12, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: I didn't follow the discussions on the

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Energy Liberator
For some reason the technologygateway.nasa.gov site is not loading for me. It just times out. It's been doing that all morning. Is there another link to this video on another site? video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion) http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.html

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Frank Acland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxeKeuh_2Bw It's been uploaded onto YT now. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Energy Liberator energylibera...@gmail.com wrote: For some reason the technologygateway.nasa.gov site is not loading for me. It just times out. It's been doing that all morning. Is

Re: [Vo]:Piantelli to disclose information regarding his work during WSEC 2012

2012-01-12 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-01-09 12:09, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, In a short email of Francesco Celani [1] about WSEC 2012, it is mentioned that the Piantelli group is in collaboration with STMicroelectronics [2]. It seems he also talked about his recent experiments, but no details have been

[Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread David ledin
Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if Mr Bryce, a member of the Australian Skeptics confirm e-cat work as claimed by rossi. http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/mullumbimby-helping-to-save-world-20120112-1pxj2.html

[Vo]:Interesting link at NASA

2012-01-12 Thread Randall Fink
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/docs/LENR_at_GRC_2011.pdf

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
What is this about?!? The W-L theory? - Jed

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Daniel Rocha
Yes. 2012/1/12 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com What is this about?!? The W-L theory? - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

[Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread James Bowery
Ever since talk began about increasing cathodic charge carriers emerging with temperature at high loadings I've been trying to recall the name of the early researcher who attached an anode directly to his cathode as well as having an anode in the electrolyte, and I finally found the cite in Excess

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Robert Lynn
100 watts per gram (, = . outside of old British Empire) would be about the same as the 100kW/kg that Rossi is claiming. It is a great pity that these great results from Focardi, Preparata et al 15 years ago were not followed up on by others back then - can only have been because other

Re: [Vo]:Piantelli to disclose information regarding his work during WSEC 2012

2012-01-12 Thread Alain Sepeda
*google translated * ** The President of BIT World Congress (Xiaodian Mei) has surveys, very insistent, details of our experiments, in particular the technique to build pseudo-inert nanoparticles of materials at low cost.* *Considers very interesting the alloy Cu-Ni but wants to know more

RE:[Vo]:Interesting link at NASA

2012-01-12 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Wow - they went straight from their latest 2011 tests on gas loading [I didn't see any results listed] to a proposed engine tests at Sterling lab in Cleveland - in the pdf they show what appears to be separate crank cases for a compressor piston on one end of reactor- cylinder and an expander

Re: [Vo]:Interesting link at NASA

2012-01-12 Thread Alain Sepeda
is it new. I remember seeing a paragraph on lenr (as real) there http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm but I don't remenber of the attached PDF? is it new? (maybe is it alzheimer for me?) 2012/1/12 Randall Fink randylf...@comcast.net **

Re: [Vo]:Piantelli to disclose information regarding his work during WSEC 2012

2012-01-12 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-01-12 16:42, Alain Sepeda wrote: /google translated A better translation for that paragraph: [...] The chairman of the BIT World Congress (Xiaodian Mei) pressed, with MUCH PERSISTENCE, for details about our experiments, and in particular about the techniques [used] for building up

Re: [Vo]:Interesting link at NASA

2012-01-12 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-01-12 16:51, Alain Sepeda wrote: is it new? (maybe is it alzheimer for me?) Not really. It first appeared on the internal NASA document search engine a few months ago, but got soon removed after it went popular due to coverage by 22passi blog (through suggestion by Francesco

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread James Bowery
World Pd reserves are about 1 billion troy ounceshttp://palladium-bar.blogspot.com/2007/09/palladium-reserves-and-palladium.html. Pd density is 12.02gm/cm^3. If it were all dedicated to power production at 100,000W/cm^3 the Pd cold fusion nameplate capacity would be: ([1E9 * ounce_troy] *

RE: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Jones Beene
As Terry and I have mentioned many times: Why doesn't Mills simply include the entire periodic table as his list of catalysts ? There is nothing on there that is ruled out. After all, for 10 years Mills was using sodium as a control to show how good potassium was! ... and then suddenly, without

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Mary Yugo
You can reach the video from here: http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/ and it's headlined like this Feature Stories: NASA's Method for a Clean Nuclear Energy For Your Power Operated Technology This is, well... sort of weird. I wonder if anyone in NASA's PR department or higher management has

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Mary Yugo
PS: What does NASA have against buses? http://i.imgur.com/PVMDi.jpg

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Randy Wuller
I was wondering how long it would take Maryyugo to wade in with nonsense like, I wonder if NASA management; she, he or it just doesn't get it. NASA management knows all about this, and this type of public info is not introduced willy nilly. I know many of these so called management people. I

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Moab Moab
Les Case also used C, although as core of his granules which were coated with Pd and he used D gas loading. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: I didn't follow the discussions on the potential catalyst here (as I am no physicist), but could carbon be the

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote: I am sure this is all going to be really hard for her and the moletrap people, the possibility of an energy breakthrough goes against their dark age thinking. My advice to her and them is get used to it. What

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: ([1E9 * ounce_troy] * [{12.02 * gramm} / {(centi*meter)^3}]^-1) * ([100 * {kilo watt}] / [{centi*meter}^3]) ? watt = 2.5876415E14 W over 200 terawatts. Unfortunately, I think Preparata meant 100 not 100,000. The comma is a decimal point. I do not

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: This is a crude estimate but I believe it does show that there is not enough palladium to produce all the energy we need. If it turns out palladium is the only suitable metal, we would have large centralized generators producing most of our energy, supplying it as electricity for use

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread James Bowery
I should add that I _did_ attempt to find Preparata's original paper online and was unable to do so. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:37 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, I got double-whammied: 1) It was Beaudette that said 100,000 watts per cm^3 (that string is outside of the

RE: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
MaryYugo wrote: What do you think that video clip says of a technical or scientific nature, if anything? It's just wishful thinking without data, isn't it? What you fail to acknowledge is that NASA would not put out a video like that if they didn't have the data to back it up!

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: MaryYugo wrote: “What do you think that video clip says of a technical or scientific nature, if anything? It's just wishful thinking without data, isn't it?” ** ** What you fail to

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:05 AM 1/12/2012, Mary Yugo wrote: What silliness, Randy. What do you think that video clip says of a technical or scientific nature, if anything? It's just wishful thinking without data, isn't it? Based on the title, it's keyed off Zawodny's patent. Technical or scientific nature?

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 06:20 AM 1/12/2012, David ledin wrote: Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if Mr Bryce, a member of the Australian Skeptics confirm e-cat work as claimed by rossi. http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/mullumbimby-helping-to-save-world-20120112-1pxj2.html Hmmm

RE: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Jones Beene
From: James Bowery I should add that I _did_ attempt to find Preparata's original paper online and was unable to do so. Google-books has one of Preparata's most popular books on QED online. There is a chapter on LENR http://books.google.com/books?id=u-MvobTFGLEC

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I should add that I _did_ attempt to find Preparata's original paper online and was unable to do so. ICCF-6 Progress In New Hydrogen Energy, p. 136 Title: Everything you always wanted to know about cold fusion calorimetry ICCF6 was published by the

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Mary Yugo
-to-save-world-20120112-1pxj2.html This doesn't make sense. Why would Rossi care about $200K? He already said he doesn't want to do any more tests. And he claims he has a more than $20 million client! Maybe these folks have not been following Rossi's blog, LOL.

RE: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:24 PM 1/12/2012, Jones Beene wrote: From: James Bowery Google-books has one of Preparata’s most popular books on QED online. There is a chapter on LENR http://books.google.com/books?id=u-MvobTFGLECpg=PA153source=gbs_toc_rcad=4#v=onepageqf=false But like a lot of google books : Pages xxx

[Vo]:Interesting link at NASA

2012-01-12 Thread Bill Traweek
I notice that on slide 11 they used a Hydrogen purification system as a proxy for PF's electrolytic cell.  I also notice that the Palladium membrane is heated with a heater.  I wonder if Rossi's heater is for a related purpose to the process.

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Calculating very generously- how many tons of palladium could be used in Cold Fusion generators worldwide? All of them. We will have no other use for the stuff. Again, what could be, realistically the W/g power obtained by1 g of Pd? That's easy.

RE: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/mullumbimby-helping-to-save-w orld-20120112-1pxj2.html Hmmm ... why all the Ausie eCat Interest

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: A catalytic converter has 3 to 7 ounces of Pd = 200 g. WHOA! That can't be right. The stuff costs $641 per oz. A catalytic converter is a lot cheaper than that. Let me reset and try again. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Okay, I mixed up ounces and grams. Various sources say: Catalytic converters cost between $400 and $900, depending on the size of the vehicle. Average is around $500 retail replacement cost. Catalytic converters have 1/20 of a troy ounce of palladium. That's 1.6 g. another source says 1.9 g and

RE: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread *** Craig Brown ***
Hehe...NASA seem to have touched a nerve with you Mary. Is that the sound of establishment dogma crumbling I can hear. From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 13 January 2012 3:15 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion) You

RE: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Jones Beene
Preparata was one of the greatest minds from what is becoming the hotbed of new fizzix thinking. He was in a long line of Italian physicists who took the unconventional to the max and did not back down from peer ridicule. It did not begin and end with Fermi, but he must have been a prime

RE: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:46 PM 1/12/2012, Jones Beene wrote: Hmmm ... why all the Ausie eCat Interest? Where's OUR GUY? Maybe he *is* Dick Smith... Hmmm ... $200K is the same amount AeCG was willing to spend on a centa-cat. (Need to check on his yachts )

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread Alain Sepeda
I agree with MY that the video is empty... The one of spawar is a gemstone, a rich content... however as you notice the fact that it is published is important for a big organization. be careful anyway, because NASA is big and sick, and polit-buro control is weak now. the low quality of the video

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
The salient fact here is that all of the exhaust gas has to contact with the palladium, or the gas would not be catalyzed (cleaned up). So you have gas with 80% of the heat from the burned gasoline coming in contact with ~3 g of Pd or Pt. Here is another way to estimate maximum thermal output

RE: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:37 PM 1/12/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 12:46 PM 1/12/2012, Jones Beene wrote: Hmmm ... why all the Ausie eCat Interest? Where's OUR GUY? Maybe he *is* Dick Smith...(Need to check on his yachts ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Smith_%28entrepreneur%29#Australian_products On

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, most cars traveling ~80 miles an hour burn ~4 gallons of gasoline per hour. That's 20 mpg. You must be thinking of SUVs. :-) T

Re: [Vo]:Kiplinger Letter, Jan 6 2012, Topic: ENERGY

2012-01-12 Thread Alain Sepeda
Hi, just to add some useful data using some data used for electric car(french) in european small car market http://sfp.in2p3.fr/Debat/debat_energie/websfp/Livet-elect.htm for small urban cars (the kind who consume 3-4litter/100km) Cx is around 0.33 for profiled cars, ( 0.5 for SUV), front

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
. http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/mullumbimby-helping-to-save-world-20120112-1pxj2.html Hmmm ... why all the Ausie eCat Interest? Where's OUR GUY?

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Being a quite achiever. Lots happening and in progress. Are you involved in this test? Will you give us a special report if so? T

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Being a quite achiever. Lots happening and in progress. I assume you mean QUIET achiever. Not quite quite. Quite quiet. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
We are not directly involved but suspect some of our work has leaked a bit. There have been a few probing emails as of late. This group could be the source or it could be other groups that are starting to form. The market size and variety is HUGH. FPE devices will completely reshape how we

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12-01-12 05:05 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Jed Rothwelljedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, most cars traveling ~80 miles an hour burn ~4 gallons of gasoline per hour. That's 20 mpg. You must be thinking of SUVs. :-) Most cars nowadays ARE

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
It is my dyslexia. Always get letters back to front. Many times spell check can't pick it up. I need to type much slower and reread everything I type several times. Even then I miss some words. AG On 1/13/2012 9:46 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com

[Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill

2012-01-12 Thread Alan J Fletcher
January 12th, 2012 at 5:51 PM Andrea Rossi http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=11#comment-168783 Dear Mattia Zirzi: 1- Yes, every 6 months the domestic E-Cat will have to be refilled 2- the refilling operation will be made by the Customer himself or by his usual plumber, or

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Casual readers may have missed this. The story here is that someone has apparently gone from Australia to Italy to visit Rossi and test the machine. Quote: The entrepreneur Dick Smith has sent a consulting aerospace engineer, Ian Bryce, who has a science background, to assess the machine on his

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:33 PM 1/12/2012, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Being a quite achiever. Alternative typo : Being quite AN achiever.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill

2012-01-12 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. AG On 1/13/2012 9:57 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: January 12th, 2012 at 5:51 PM Andrea Rossi http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=11#comment-168783 Dear Mattia Zirzi:

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Most cars nowadays ARE SUVs. Yeah, they jolt my Scion Xb as they flash by. T

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: That's 20 mpg. You must be thinking of SUVs. :-) I like round numbers. I have the 2002 Edition of the Annual Energy Review printed out with lots of post-it notes. Under AUTOS, TRUCKS on p. 61 it shows Passenger Cars, Fuel Rate (miles per gallon) for

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Dick Smith is legendary. If he gets behind Rossi, it will make our efforts seem like child's play. He can open doors at any level of industry or government. He is not afraid to back the underdog, attach the status quo and to have a go mate. With this getting into the SMH and Dick Smith sending

Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill

2012-01-12 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 03:46 PM 1/12/2012, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. It must be an integrated Nickel+Hydrogen cartridge.

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
What a wanker report http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/12/smith_offers_ecat_prize/ The only BS is that from this publication.

RE: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Craig Brown
Agreed. I emailed this guy and told him exactly what I thought of his report. It's so full of ridicule and innacurate information that no wonder ordinary folks can't get behind LENR. If you look back at his previous articles he's the closed minded type. Probably has a subscription to Bob Park and

Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill

2012-01-12 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
How he has managed to do this will be very interesting to see. I can only imagine the whole sealed reactor assembly must be replaced and then recycled. The mentioned $10 does seem to be way too low a price unless the sealed reactor is a throw away item (throw away into the recycle trash bin).

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
If Dick Smith comes out of his sort of semi retirement, puts his money, influence and passion behind the E-Cat, Aussie will become a E-Cat hotbed. AG On 1/13/2012 10:35 AM, Craig Brown wrote: Agreed. I emailed this guy and told him exactly what I thought of his report. It's so full of

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12-01-12 06:49 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote: Most cars nowadays ARE SUVs. Yeah, they jolt my Scion Xb as they flash by. Huh. Annoying, aren't they. Well, if you want to add a little more getupgo (right-past-them)

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:00 PM 1/12/2012, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: What a wanker report http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/12/smith_offers_ecat_prize/ The only BS is that from this publication. Well, it does end : Since the Herald won't say it, The Register will: do not invest any money in E-cat until someone

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Huh.  Annoying, aren't they. Well, if you want to add a little more getupgo (right-past-them) to your Scion you might consider retrofitting an electric conversion from AC Propulsion:

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12-01-12 04:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Okay, I mixed up ounces and grams. Various sources say: Catalytic converters cost between $400 and $900, depending on the size of the vehicle. Average is around $500 retail replacement cost. Catalytic converters have 1/20 of a troy ounce of

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Doesn't BMW have a car on the market which recaptures the exhaust heat? Or do I have that mixed up with something?  (Or did they ditch it as not cost effective or too heavy or something?) Nope, you're not senile

[Vo]:Mock paper

2012-01-12 Thread Harry Veeder
A pretend paper mocking LENR research. Harry PROCEEDINGS OF THE THIRD INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON LIE-ADMISSIBLE TREATMENT OF IRREVERSIBLE PROCESSES (ICLATIP - 3) Kathmandu University, Nepal, April (2011) pages 163-177 http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/ICNF-3.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Harry Veeder
why doesn't he just pay Rossi 200 000 if the test is successful? harry On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Casual readers may have missed this. The story here is that someone has apparently gone from Australia to Italy to visit Rossi and test the

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: why doesn't he just pay Rossi 200 000 if the test is successful? It's free money for charity otherwise. Do you clip coupons? T

Re: [Vo]:Mock paper

2012-01-12 Thread Harry Veeder
Would someone tell me if this a sincere paper? Perhaps I have grown cynical over the last year, because of Rossi's dismissal of scientific practice and the new level of secrecy surrounding LENR research, but I'm remain very skeptical. To me the pictures look like dummy apparatuses which mock

Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

2012-01-12 Thread Harry Veeder
You mean he wants to get a tax credit? harry On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: why doesn't he just pay Rossi 200 000 if the test is successful? It's free money for charity

Re: [Vo]:Mock paper

2012-01-12 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Would someone tell me if this a sincere paper? Perhaps I have grown cynical over the last year, because of Rossi's dismissal of scientific practice and the new level of secrecy surrounding LENR research, but I'm remain

Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?

2012-01-12 Thread James Bowery
Has anyone even tried to replicate Preparata's configuration that he claims he successfully reproduced FIFTY TIMES??? On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I should add that I _did_ attempt to find Preparata's

Re: [Vo]:I wish Krivit would come out of the closet pertaining to the WL theory

2012-01-12 Thread noone noone
Krivit has doomed his career by his attacks on Rossi and his constant push to support Widom Larsen theory.The fact is Andrea Rossi has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that his Ni-H technology works as claimed. When Rossi's home E-Cat units start going on the market, Krivit is going to have

RE: [Vo]:Mock paper

2012-01-12 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Did a quick read of entire paper... Santilli has been around quite awhile, and is a Ph.D. physicist; check out the Wikipedia page on him. The paper is describing his recent tests with his 'hadronic reactor', which is based on his own theories. Apparently, two independent labs were used to

Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

2012-01-12 Thread noone noone
I find it disgusting how NASA is spewing W L propaganda. Of course it is the logical theory to adopt, since the last thing NASA would ever want to do is admit that cold fusion is real. They would rather say little gray aliens are providing the power, than to admit fusion is taking place.

[Vo]:Carbon as a Catalyst: What has NASA stated?

2012-01-12 Thread noone noone
Does anyone know why NASA mentioned carbon along with nickel and hydrogen? Is NASA proposing the use of carbon as a catalyst? Have any of these scientists went into any greater detail?

Re: [Vo]:Mock paper

2012-01-12 Thread Harry Veeder
How come none of Santilli's papers are in the LENR-CANR library? eg. http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/ICNF-1.pdf Has he attended the ICCF meetings? Has Jed or any of Jed's associates met him? Harry On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 12,

Re: [Vo]:Mock paper

2012-01-12 Thread Harry Veeder
If this is true then don't you think Santilli's claims are even more extravagant (to use one of M. Y.' s favorite adjectives) than Rossi's claims? harry On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Did a quick read of entire paper... Santilli has been

Re: [Vo]:Mock paper

2012-01-12 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Look at the transmutations . Holey sheet! AG On 1/13/2012 4:04 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: If this is true then don't you think Santilli's claims are even more extravagant (to use one of M. Y.' s favorite adjectives) than Rossi's claims? harry On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Mark

RE: [Vo]:Mock paper

2012-01-12 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Jed can answer that, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was the guy who threatened Jed with a lawsuit when Jed wanted to include his papers on lenr.org... he is definitely a rogue researcher, and a bit course, but some of that probably comes from the way his work has been treated by mainstream

Re: [Vo]:Mock paper

2012-01-12 Thread Peter Gluck
See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's

RE: [Vo]:Mock paper

2012-01-12 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Well, at least Santilli is a degreed physicist with considerable credentials from places like MIT and Harvard; the following Bio is from his Wikipedia page: = Santilli studied physics at the University of Naples and went on to attend the Graduate School in Physics of the