Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 6:38 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: You also probably realize that a polynomial fit to a high power order yields coefficients that vary depending upon the order of the polynomial chosen. Many combinations of coefficients will fit the input/output data

RE: [Vo]:It must be magnetism

2014-08-25 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Axil, How about a very dynamic isotropy? while C MUST appear constant throughout our macro frame adhering to the rules of SR, acceleration and gravitational fields, what if….. the rate of virtual particles passing through our plane had a certain dynamic flow. By the rules of SR

[Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
This is not OT since this is science. A few threads ago, a fellow here challenged me to provide evidence for the inaccuracy claims I made about radioneucleotide dating. It took me some time to find it but here are some: 1. Living Mollusk Shells dated 2300 years old - Science vol 141,

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: It took me some time to find it but here are some: 1. Living Mollusk Shells dated 2300 years old - Science vol 141, pp634-637 2. Freshly Killed Seal dated 1300 years old - Antarctic Journal vol 6, Sept-Oct `971 p.211 3. Shells from Living

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Daniel Rocha
Jojo, my dear alien, you cannot do carbon dating of anything past ~1950 because there is a lot of contamination due C13 from nuclear explosions. The mammoth ages seem OK, it is usual to find parts of different animals together. You don't take the age of non living things with carbon dating.

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
JoJo, Jed is correct, experimental data and the models based upon them can be incorrect, just like weather and climate data and models. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: It took me some time to find it but

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
OK, what would be the explanation why different parts of the mammoth would be dated so widely differently? A few hundred years maybe acceptable, but thousands of years is ridiculous. The only explanation is that the technique is faulty and unreliable. The dates are all after 1950s. So your

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
Stewie, No, I am claiming the technique itself is unreliable and based on too many finicky assumptions based on processes we do not fully understand. How can we build a solid scientific foundation based on such faulty scientific methods? Radionucleotide Dating simply does not work reliably

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Daniel Rocha
Jojo, my dear multidimensional lizard, sometimes a careless mammoth will have an accident, shit happens for many thousands of years. An object that you know is from after 1950 will give wrong results. You want to talk about C dating, so you were dishonest. Bad Christian. K-Ar dates is specially

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
I don't believe time exists (we are all just decaying), some at different rates than others. But it is good to try and make sense of it all. On Monday, August 25, 2014, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Stewie, No, I am claiming the technique itself is unreliable and based on too

[Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
Jed, The examples I enumerated are samples that appear on a scientific paper of wide circulation. Do you think these are all errors? Don't you think they would have checked for errors before publishing it? Your contention that these measured dates are errors simply do not make sense.

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
My dear ADD friend, that is the reason I provided 4 mammoth dating examples. Cause I knew someone will retort using a senseless reason like you just did. The widely differing results clearly show that the technique is inherently unreliable, no matter what Radionucleotide you use. Jojo

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
Yes ADD. No I do not believe time exists, wives made it up to tell husbands when they are late. http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time On Monday, August 25, 2014, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: My dear ADD friend, that is the reason I provided 4 mammoth dating examples.

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Daniel Rocha
Jojo, while you are at it, would you tell me what kind of mushroom are you taking: Except that we don't realize that these aliens are not extraterrestrial BIOLOGICAL beings from another planet. These ALIENS are aliens to our dimension. They are INTERDIMENSIONAL beings of spirits, fallen angels

RE: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Chris Zell
To me, all of the expertise, all of the Ph.D's, all of the tenure and all of the opinions of climatologists are simply worthless in relation to the world at large - except for their ability to make accurate predictions. Really, of what general value would climatology be without an established

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
Danny boy, I wanted to respond to this assertion earlier but I was laughing so hard, that I had to calm down first before I can respond sensibly. So, the river is between 0-600,000 years old using K-AR dating. Well, praise mother earth, that is some useful result. Heck, why do we even need to

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Daniel Rocha
Where are the Aliens in the Bible, btw? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
Genesis 6:1-5 It talks of fallen angels coming down to mate with female humans producing a hybrid race of wicked Giants called Nephilims. Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of

RE: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Chris Zell
I used to be a Creationist and point out obvious errors in Radio Dating results. Eventually, I was forced to conclude that errors here or there in various methods do not contradict the essential point that radioactive decay is an extremely reliable phenomena taken as an aggregate. I found it

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Daniel Rocha
And they are aliens because...? 2014-08-25 12:34 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: Genesis 6:1-5 It talks of fallen angels coming down to mate with female humans producing a hybrid race of wicked Giants called Nephilims. Jojo -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
Oh ... the decay rates are accurate and more or less stable all right. It's the assumptions surrounding this that I have a lot of problems with. For example, how can we assume that C-14 levels are the same today as they were 5,000 years ago? There is proof that C-14 levels have not reached

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread CB Sites
Just to add a side note: CO2 from fossil fuels is also effecting carbon dating, as a lot of the C13 has already decayed in fossil fuels. In fact that is one way we know that the CO2 causing global warming is from man made sources. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Daniel Rocha

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
Because they are Interdimensional Beings of spirits, fallen angels and demons. But since you appear to be ignorant on this subject, let me see if I can educate you. There are 2 current prevailing theories of who the aliens are. One theory says these UFO aliens are biological beings from

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Daniel Rocha
Thank you for your education. It's quite more reasonable to suppose that the Nephilim are aliens than legends. After after all, random words in the Bible are more trustful than science. 2014-08-25 13:00 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: But since you appear to be ignorant on this

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Daniel Rocha
Ihttp://c14.arch.ox.ac.uk/embed.php?File=calibration.html 2014-08-25 12:49 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: For example, how can we assume that C-14 levels are the same today as they were 5,000 years ago? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
And what exactly makes science more trustworthy. Is it because it is repeatable? or is it because we can feel it with our senses? or simply because it is presumed to be the opposite of religion? It seems that science now a days means anything that is anti-relgion. To me science is simply the

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Daniel Rocha
Pretty much. And I think you head is so deep in the sand, that I question your ability to make science. 2014-08-25 13:24 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: Is it because it is repeatable? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

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2014-08-25 Thread Mark Gibbs

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
More assumptions to calibrate an assumption. Whatever Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating Ihttp://c14.arch.ox.ac.uk/embed.php?File=calibration.html

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
Cold Fusion then is not science since it is not repeatable. Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating Pretty much. And I think you head is so deep in the sand, that

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread David Roberson
You have the right general idea about the fit not being adequate. I suspect that their model is far more complex than a simple linear model and of much higher order. The net prediction of future temperatures is a result of how all of these terms combine and it will diverge more and more

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
Dave, I agree. Maybe the tug of gravity can be endothermic or exothermic depending upon local conditions On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 1:08 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: You have the right general idea about the fit not being adequate. I suspect that their model is far more

[Vo]:Algasol Photobioreactor Showcase

2014-08-25 Thread James Bowery
For technical details of the photobioreactor and its economics see the see Algasol's presentation at the 2013 European Algal Biomass Conference https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28447217/Algae%20Platform%2024-25%20april%202013-2.pdf . Algasol Renewables pr...@algasolrenewables.com via

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Bob Cook
Jed-- I think your reliance on experts is a little over stated, and I tend to agree with Dave’s assessment of expecting short term predictions to be possible. Many so-called experts in the nuclear industry endorsed the idea of storing spent fuel in wet storage at locations subject to both

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Bob Cook
Chris- Your considerations are much the same as mine. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Chris Zell Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎August‎ ‎25‎, ‎2014 ‎7‎:‎23‎ ‎AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com To me, all of the expertise, all of the Ph.D's, all of the tenure and all of the opinions of

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
~10.8 F? On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Since when does 6 C correspond with 42.8 F? Sent from Windows Mail *From:* CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com *Sent:* ‎Sunday‎, ‎August‎ ‎24‎, ‎2014 ‎7‎:‎12‎ ‎PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com Jojo, I really think

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Bob Cook
Since when does 6 C correspond with 42.8 F? Sent from Windows Mail From: CB Sites Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎August‎ ‎24‎, ‎2014 ‎7‎:‎12‎ ‎PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Jojo, I really think you miss the point. Let assume a moment the global average temperature was 6C above average. That is

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: The examples I enumerated are samples that appear on a scientific paper of wide circulation. I doubt that, but for the sake of argument suppose it is true. Are you saying these were mistakes? Or were they examples discovered by the authors, and used

Re: [Vo]:Algasol Photobioreactor Showcase

2014-08-25 Thread Lennart Thornros
Congrats - you must have been funded. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Do you think these are all errors? I wouldn't know. I suspect these examples are either imaginary or fully explicable, and they were gathered by someone who does not understand how instruments work. I say that because it seems extremely unlikely to me that experts have spent

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread jwinter
On 25/08/2014 8:33 PM, Jojo Iznart wrote: ...A few threads ago, a fellow here challenged me to provide evidence for the inaccuracy claims I made about radioneucleotide dating. It took me some time to find it but here are some: I didn't ask for just any old list of radiocarbon dating anomalies.

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Eric, you don't seem to understand what the IPCC is. They are eXACTLY as called out -- REPRESENTATIVE of the anthropomorphic climate change thesis. On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Calling out some of the people involved in climate science who have

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Cold Fusion then is not science since it is not repeatable. Of course it is repeatable. It has been replicated thousands of times. Please stop making ignorant assertions. Read the literature before commenting. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Chris Zell
http://ncse.com/cej/3/2/answers-to-creationist-attacks-carbon-14-dating There are plenty of correlations that have emerged in relation to C-14 dating, tree rings, astronomical events, Egyptian history just to name a few. In addition, the variations in C-14 formation have been fleshed out over

Re: [Vo]:Algasol Photobioreactor Showcase

2014-08-25 Thread James Bowery
The showcase is not the production line. People are still starving and species are still being driven to extinction for no reason. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: Congrats - you must have been funded. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Kevin O'Malley
I'm a creationist, and even a literal 6-day creationist at that. But I think Carbon 14 dating and all the other radiometric dating is reasonably accurate. I also think that light that has travelled 100M light years is 100M years old. Here's how I resolve it: Using Einstein's Twin Paradox. A

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
Assuming the spaceship does not breakdown, missing all space debris On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a creationist, and even a literal 6-day creationist at that. But I think Carbon 14 dating and all the other radiometric dating is reasonably

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Cold fusion has been replicated more than 14,700 times http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg87609.html On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Cold Fusion then is not science since it is not repeatable. Jojo - Original Message

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Kevin O'Malley
There are tons of assumptions in Einstein's thought experiment. So... your point is? You have a problem with Einstein? On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 12:25 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming the spaceship does not breakdown, missing all space debris On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:19

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
Other than the fact he needed a haircut and also could not find the missing 95% of the energy in the universe I have no problem with him. Smart guy. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: There are tons of assumptions in Einstein's thought experiment. So...

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
Although the haircut does help reinforce evolution theory http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/25/article-886-15ACADD205DC-783_634x622.jpg On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:36 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Other than the fact he needed a haircut and also could not find the

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Einstein's Biggest Blunder? Dark Energy May Be Consistent With Cosmological Constant Date: November 28, 2007 Source: Texas AM University Summary: Einstein's self-proclaimed biggest blunder -- his postulation of a cosmological constant (a force that opposes gravity and keeps the universe from

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Kevin O'Malley
That must be one smart monkey. Maybe he and the millions of others banging on typewriters right now in another thought experiment will find the dark energy that's missing. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Although the haircut does help reinforce

[Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-25 Thread James Bowery
Evolutionists -- or perhaps I should call them pseudo-evolutionists believe that humans, unique among life forms, exhibit behavior not from biological evolution but from cultural determinism. Oh, yes, I know they'll deny it when I put it that way but when it comes to public policy the gaping

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
But is it constant across the universe? Where is it? What is it? Emergent? Coalescent? Decaying? Quantum? Stringy? Loopy? Roll of the Dicey? Einstein was smart enough to give it a placeholder, I credit him that. 95% leaves a lot left to figure out. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Kevin

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Yes. Please send my Nobel Prize by mail. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 12:48 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: But is it constant across the universe? Where is it? What is it? Emergent? Coalescent? Decaying? Quantum? Stringy? Loopy? Roll of the Dicey? Einstein was smart enough to

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
Email? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/e/ed/20131011153017!Nobel_Prize.png On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Please send my Nobel Prize by mail. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 12:48 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: But

Re: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-25 Thread Lennart Thornros
James B. I hope I understand what you are saying. There are biological reasons for our behavior and it is hard to replace them with some cultural etiquette. If that is what you said then I agree with you. I also believe this kind of believe is accentuated by our school system and our most

Re: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Evolutionists -- or perhaps I should call them pseudo-evolutionists believe that humans, unique among life forms, exhibit behavior not from biological evolution but from cultural determinism. I have no idea who or what your are talking about here, and I

Re: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-25 Thread James Bowery
You obviously weren't around Harvard when Gould and Lewontin went on their rampage against Wilson over sociobiology. You're out of touch with the facts on the ground in academia with regards to the social sciences. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Good enough. Now if I could just get a few million others to accept that I just won a Nobel Prize, life would be golden. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 12:52 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Email? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/e/ed/20131011153017!Nobel_Prize.png

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Alain Sepeda
it is also unbelievable that educated people repeat the consesus fairy tale against cold fusion, despite huge evidences agains, and no valid refutation to support their cause... anyway they did because they were the consenus, because opposing mean you were the blacksheep of the lab, ... note also

Re: [Vo]:unsubscribe

2014-08-25 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Awwwh. :( On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
Thanks for identifying yourself my friend. I already forgot who it was that challenged me and I wasn't inclined to waste my time searching the archives. You asked for proof of my assertion that radionucleotide dating is unreliable, and I provided several actual egregious examples from

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
Bob, please read the context in which this number came up? CB was talking about the increase which he claims would bring the global average to 42.8F, which I point out he probably meant 42.8C Jojo - Original Message - From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
Jed, if you doubt that, then look up the reference themselves. Last time I checked, Science is and was a reputable publication. You like to make these qualified statements to try to wiggle yourself from a tight spot. You claim these results are errors, outlier or instrument errors,.

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
Jed, If it is a repeatable as you would like to believe, we wouldn't have so much problems convincing the rest of the world. Jojo - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread CB Sites
Since google. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Since when does 6 C correspond with 42.8 F? Sent from Windows Mail *From:* CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com *Sent:* ‎Sunday‎, ‎August‎ ‎24‎, ‎2014 ‎7‎:‎12‎ ‎PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com Jojo, I really

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Like Jed says, Please stop making ignorant assertions. At least this is an interesting ignorant assertion. The problem with Cold Fusion acceptance in scientific circles is not due to problems getting results replicated. It is due to PAST stigma attached to the field of inquiry and current

Re: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-25 Thread Jojo Iznart
To Jed and the rest of Darwinian Evolutionists here: I have a simple question: 1. What is your best evidence of Darwinian Evolution occuring? By Darwinian Evolution - I mean Macro-Evolution of one species (One kind) turning into another species (another kind). I do not mean micro-evolution

[Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-25 Thread Jack Cole
Hi Folks, I was excited to receive my spot welder today. After ensuring it was in working order, I decided to get right to it and see if I could get anything like what BLP showed. Lo and behold I got something on the first try. I remembered Mills talking about all the different possibilities

[Vo]:Near Death Experiences

2014-08-25 Thread H Veeder
The article does not really explain the phenomena of NDE, but it does provide an interesting synopsis of what is known about the experience. Harry Near death, explained New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences -- with shocking results.

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread CB Sites
Opps, my bad, I'm too quick to use google. Delta 10.8 Degree F is correct. Where was my brain? Duhh. Embarrassing, but thank you for correcting me. Still that is a major change and would effect many many different eco systems, and AGW effects already have upset several. 10.8 is an average

Re: [Vo]:Novel physics/chemistry?

2014-08-25 Thread H Veeder
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:47 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Fri, 22 Aug 2014 02:32:18 -0400: Hi, [snip] The novel part happens when the drop of metal turns black and then transparent and then explodes. Harry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIGMfai_ICg

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
CO2 levels were 5 times higher during Jurassic than today, 3 C higher http://www.livescience.com/44330-Jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html Dinosaurs that roamed the Earth 250 million years ago knew a world with five times more carbon dioxide than is present on Earth today, researchers say, and

Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating

2014-08-25 Thread CB Sites
Opps I meant C14. Here is the processes; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:57 AM, CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: Just to add a side note: CO2 from fossil fuels is also effecting carbon dating, as a lot of the C13 has already decayed in fossil

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
Also the great mass extinction we are in is not due to global warming, it is primarily billions of watts of pulsed electromagnetic radiation destroying natures health along with all the other pollution humans generate On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:41 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: CO2

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-25 Thread Axil Axil
Dear Jack, I would be interested in seeing what happens when some chlorine bleach is used instead of water. Chlorine produces a UV laser output when combined with hydrogen in an arc. Mills uses chlorine and so did Papp. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Novel physics/chemistry?

2014-08-25 Thread mixent
In reply to H Veeder's message of Mon, 25 Aug 2014 21:34:52 -0400: Hi Harry, Now actually *read* the message you replied to. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:47 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Fri, 22 Aug 2014 02:32:18 -0400: Hi, [snip] The novel part happens when

RE: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-25 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jojo By Darwinian Evolution - I mean Macro-Evolution of one species (One kind) turning into another species (another kind). I do not mean micro-evolution (aka variation, aka adaptation.) I know micro-evolution occurs. I want macro-evolution demonstrated and observed. Please

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, you don't seem to understand what the IPCC is. They are eXACTLY as called out -- REPRESENTATIVE of the anthropomorphic climate change thesis. For the sake of argument, let's assume that it was not just selected

Re: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: To Jed and the rest of Darwinian Evolutionists here: I have a simple question: 1. What is your best evidence of Darwinian Evolution occuring? There are thousands of books full of irrefutable proof that Darwinian evolution is occurring. For you, or

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-25 Thread Jack Cole
Hi Axil, I can give that a try. What would you expect to see and how will we know if UV is emitted? Best, Jack On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Jack, I would be interested in seeing what happens when some chlorine bleach is used instead of

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-25 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I can give that a try. What would you expect to see and how will we know if UV is emitted? Be careful about fumes. I recall reading that chlorine can form some pretty nasty compounds under the right conditions. Eric

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-25 Thread Axil Axil
A UV light, say at 244 nm or 300 nm, can not be seen at all with a human eye. However if you put a piece of paper in its path the paper will glow blue. This happens because the UV excites blue dyes in the paper (the paper manufacturers put blue dyes in all papers to make them appear more 'white').

Re: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-25 Thread James Bowery
Jojo, I'm a genuine evolutionist. I don't pick and choose when to turn on and off my intellectual integrity regarding evolution. One thing my theory tells me is that you, like so many others who are irrationally religous, are doing what is necessary to survive in the hell hole that has been

Re: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
I think all of us, including the universe are creating every day, evolving every day and dying a little each day. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:24 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Jojo, I'm a genuine evolutionist. I don't pick and choose when to turn on and off my intellectual

[Vo]:the article is full of LENR physics

2014-08-25 Thread Axil Axil
http://phys.org/news/2014-08-confine-crystal-surface-transparent-nanoparticles.html This explains how heat can be converted into dipole motion, the source of LENR power as follows: Silver has conducting electrons, and when the particular blue wavelength interacts with them, those conducting

Re: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-25 Thread Axil Axil
One reason why JoJo's systems do not work is that he spends a great deal of time posting and not enough experimenting. He expects other people to do his work for him. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: To Jed and the rest of Darwinian Evolutionists

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Kevin O'Malley
I'm not all that interested in passing judgement on the integrity of the majority of climate scientists. I'm interested in seeing if there's real science behind this constantly-changing thesis. My conclusion at this time is: NO. What is there has been driven more by politics than science.

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: This doesn't mean that they need to be able to forecast tomorrow's lottery numbers ( in effect) but we should expect that they can create predictive graphs that follow emerging reality with a reasonable fit - and frankly,

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-25 Thread David Roberson
Good warning. Chlorine gas can do great damage to your lungs and even cause death. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 11:02 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt On

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not all that interested in passing judgement on the integrity of the majority of climate scientists. I'm interested in seeing if there's real science behind this constantly-changing thesis. My conclusion at this

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-25 Thread David Roberson
Eric, all you have to do is to read about the current long lasting pause in warming along with the statement from these guys that this pause might last until 2025. Since the pause was 100% not predicted and instead should have been a more rapid rise, how much more in error could they be? Of