RE: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-15 Thread bobcook39923
Eric— I would agree that Ni-56 could be a transition result, except it was not reported by the Indians. Furthermore other transitions may occur without electric force fields ejecting charged entities from the coherent system. 3 virtual muons may fuse to a proton or a neutron during the

Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:17 AM, wrote: Thinking outside the box is not a sin. > It's fine to think out of the box, if rigor is still applied and hand-waving is not resorted to. In this case either we apply E = mc^2, or we don't. Do you accept that this law applies in

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Look at the picture. They predicted tug boat airplanes, painted floating signs, boies as flight path markers. They knew that air travel was coming but they could only extend the existing technology to explain it. Our current views of the future are no better. I had a book from 1912 with

[Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Jones Beene
With or without LENR (hopefully with) "The Singularity Is Near" "Near" being the operative variable to be concerned about today as it is the Ides of March. The date when "Humans Transcend Biology" was a 2006 non-fiction book about artificial intelligence and the future of humanity by

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Bob Higgins
While we may not have reached the singularity, I already feel "enhanced" by my connection (fingers and eyes) to the computer. My old boss used to describe computers as "brain amplifiers" when pitching the purchase of new computers to management (asking, "how much amplification do you want?"). It

RE: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Chris Zell
Who among you would have expected that after the Fleischmann- Pons results ( 1989) that we would be in 2017 without acceptance or a saleable product? Much the same goes for a cure for cancer – or aging – or free energy generally. Where some of you see rapid progress, I see stagnation and a

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Technology has been moving fast doubling every five years for a long time now. I see no reason for it to stop now. This is what I have 1923. https://antiqueradio.org/art/RadiolaIII03.jpg This is what I want 1928. http://www.indianaradios.com/RCA%20Radiola%2060%20Radio.htm

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Jones Beene
Bob Higgins wrote: That is the problem with the work of Futurists - many of the massive changes in our lives comes from seminal inventions whose timing cannot be predicted... I believe AI is in a similar state of waiting for that seminal invention that makes AI practical. The timing of

[Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Bob Higgins
That is the problem with the work of Futurists - many of the massive changes in our lives comes from seminal inventions whose timing cannot be predicted. Once that seminal invention is proved, progress from engineering can be rapid, or can be slow, but it usually moves forward. I think LENR is

[Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Bob Higgins
I don't see anything about quantum computing that is set to make AI take a giant leap forward. AI still needs substantial core inventions to make a truly adaptively thinking machine. Same is true for the next generation Intel processor. Neither computing technology brings, in itself, an AI

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Frank Znidarsic
A view of a robot from 1953. Twonky. Now playing on the Comet channel. I first saw this show when I was very young. Lightning bolts came out the TV set in the movie. When I tuned off my TV and a dot appeared in the center of the screen. I ran away before a bot could come out. Today when

Re: [Vo]:Palladium cold fusion as an energy source

2017-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a brief analysis of the cost of a 1 MW palladium-based generator -- I estimate that palladium can produce ~200 W/g, so you would need 5 kg. This costs $119,000 at today's prices. An EPRI study shows that a conventional 1 MW generator costs $267,000, so this would not cost much more than a

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Axil Axil
The realization of AI will follow the maturation of the quantum computer. The current computing tech is coming to an end point. Cp,puting using light instead of electrons will make the AI paradigm possible. Light is based on boson tech and coherence which will enable and drive forward the

Re: [Vo]:Palladium cold fusion as an energy source

2017-03-15 Thread Peter Gluck
Jed You forget a few details: a) Your first and probably most correct;evaluation was 300 W/cc palladium and thi is 25 W/g; b) The heavy water gives D2 with a consume of energy good COP is say 1.30 to be optimist, so you will consume 780 W (power) for getting 100 w power= imagine your generator s

Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:23:24 -0500: Hi, This is why I used "enhanced/altered" in my previous post. The weak force reactions would need to happen at the same time as the initial fusion reaction so that the neutrinos could also carry away the fusion energy as

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Axil Axil
What Quantum Computers do is solve optimization problems based on Big data that is not organized or sequenced such as... find the cure to cancer from a million experiments worth of data. On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: > I don't see anything about

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Bob Higgins
OK, I get that about quantum computers. This is something that an existing parallel computer can also do, it would just take longer. It provides no real leg up in making a learning, adaptive, thinking machine possible. Possible applicability to AI is just part of the quantum computer hype... we

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Axil Axil
By using probability-based algorithms to derive meaning from huge amounts of data, researchers discovered that they didn’t need to teach a computer how to accomplish a task; they could just show it what people did and let the machine figure out how to emulate that behavior under similar

RE: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Chris Zell
What Quantum Computers do is solve optimization problems based on Big data that is not organized or sequenced such as... find the cure to cancer from a million experiments worth of data. I recall a Japanese study from about 30 years ago that produced dramatic results in tumors using a

[Vo]:creation of a true LENR culture

2017-03-15 Thread Peter Gluck
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/03/mar-15-2017-creation-of-true-lenr.html peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Here it is the Twonky now playing on comet. https://scifist.wordpress.com/2016/01/09/the-twonky/ It intends to do good but in effect it takes over. Perhaps proceeding the yesterday's intelligence revelations where the government is monitoring everything. A view of the singularity from

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Here is the movie. https://scifist.wordpress.com/2016/01/09/the-twonky/ I cant believe that this movie scared me why I was a young kid. Frank

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-15 Thread Frank Znidarsic
New York Sky harbor by 1950 circa 1910 https://40.media.tumblr.com/7c35fdbcd088b24fbd1aee7c0734407f/tumblr_nuhrnkfvpT1tn7avwo1_500.jpg -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Mar 15, 2017 6:15 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:12