Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Brian Ahern
Axil's pronouncements seem to indicate well established experimental evidence. There is none. Inviting superconductivity into LENR has no more validity than bringing in a witch doctor to lead the discussion. The sad reality is that nobody has succeeded in producing 1.0 watts of excess

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Russ George
Brian's words are very true. The amount of experimental based wisdom found here is very rare indeed while there is a super abundance of pundiprophecy, aka bullshit. Alas this is not a matter of witch doctors who often had some basis in observational experimental results they work from, rather what

[Vo]:Santilli "neutrons"

2017-07-17 Thread Jones Beene
Of interest: A video which purports to show neutrons being created from arcing through hydrogen gas This seems to fit into the concept of dense hydrogen masquerading as a virtual neutron...

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Brian Ahern wrote: Inviting superconductivity into LENR has no more validity than bringing in > a witch doctor to lead the discussion. > Martin Fleischmann and others suggested that the hydrogen in a highly loaded palladium hydride might be superconducting. Cryogenic

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
I do not consider it is proper to classifyl Bremsstrahlung radiation as gamma radiation. Gammas are associated with nuclear transitions as a result of a change of potential energy of ta nucleus to kinetic energy of a photon IMHO. You may be right about EM radiation being given off during

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Russ— I agree. But, on the other hand the 5 folks who did the Lugano testing may be FOS as Brian suggests.  FRC Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Russ George Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 6:06 AM To:

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > I do not think there is experimental evidence for this, I suppose because > it would be difficult to test for. > Difficult because, presumably, in the cathode only microscopic domains of nuclear-active spots superconduct. Not the whole cathode. I think that finding a tiny amount of

[Vo]:Santilli "neutrons"

2017-07-17 Thread Bob Higgins
The trouble with these type of experiments is that it is extremely difficult to prove that electronic measurement of neutrons is valid in the presence of the "mini-EMP" arc pulses. A much better test for neutrons would be to use the BubbleTech (non-electronic) neutron detectors and show bubbles

Re: [Vo]:Santilli "neutrons"

2017-07-17 Thread Jones Beene
There are many reasons to be skeptical of Santilli. He does use a variety of neutron detection devices, however. Whatever he is making looks like neutrons. This press release makes one think that he could have something valid this time.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread ROGER ANDERTON
I mean by the mainstream relativists, "they" have got it wrong when "they" teach it On Monday, 17 July 2017, 22:58, ROGER ANDERTON wrote: all based on misunderstanding relativity due to translation errors as I shall point out in my next physics talks.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Che
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Che wrote: > > >> This is what I am not getting. Why are we even talking about 'cold >> fusion' as a reality, when initial (wild?) success always seems to end up >> in a dead-end -- where

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread ROGER ANDERTON
That's the sort of thing they muddle up; they say that then go on to start talking about warp spacetime, empty space having the properties of a medium and faster than light (FTL) et al. On Monday, 17 July 2017, 23:27, "bobcook39...@hotmail.com" wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Che
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > We shoud not be talking about 'cold fusion'. We should be talking about > proton decay. > I *totally* disagree. 'Cold Fusion' is clearly a term with mucho popularizing potential... and most importantly: **it is NOT all that

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Axil Axil
We shoud not be talking about 'cold fusion'. We should be talking about proton decay. On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Che wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Brian Ahern wrote: > > > > > > Axil's pronouncements seem to indicate well

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Che wrote: > This is what I am not getting. Why are we even talking about 'cold fusion' > as a reality, when initial (wild?) success always seems to end up in a > dead-end -- where people can get away with SAYING this sort of thing..? > The results are not a bit

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread ROGER ANDERTON
all based on misunderstanding relativity due to translation errors as I shall point out in my next physics talks. On Monday, 17 July 2017, 22:55, Kevin O'Malley wrote: On 7/17/17, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote:   Bremsstrahlung is

Re: [Vo]:Santilli "neutrons"

2017-07-17 Thread Che
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > http://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2017/06/05/ > 1008093/0/en/Thunder-Energies-Receives-Down-Payment-on- > Equipment-Producing-a-Directional-Neutron-Flux-and- > Predicts-Profitability-for-its-Construction.html >

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On 7/17/17, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: Bremsstrahlung is associated with the slowing of a charged > particle which enters a substance at a velocity greater than the speed of > light in the medium. Velocity greater than C? I thought there was nothing that could

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Che
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Brian Ahern wrote: > > > Axil's pronouncements seem to indicate well established experimental evidence. There is none. > > Inviting superconductivity into LENR has no more validity than bringing in a witch doctor to lead the discussion. > >

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On 7/17/17, Brian Ahern wrote: > > The sad reality is that nobody has succeeded in producing 1.0 watts of > excess energy with a COP > 1.5 on a repeatable and demonstrated platform. > ***What about the NANOR? And also, what about those 153 peer reviewed replications of

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Kevin— C is a constant and is the speed of light in empty space. Light also propagates in various media at a speed always below C. Particles may move at a higher velocity than light in a medium, but not in empty space—all this is standard physics today. Bob Cook From: Kevin

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Brian Ahern
My MS thesis showed the SC in PdD and PdH in 1975. It works every time at 11K and 9K respectively. From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 11:25 AM To: Vortex Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled Brian Ahern

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Brian Ahern
I agree with your assessment. I failed to exceed 200 milliwatts. That was my hero result from the EPRI Study in 2012 From: Russ George Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:05 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden